3G+iPhone=iPhone v2

[narangz]

Yes, 3G affects battery life. But it is a lame excuse! If I want to use 3G Network & it consumes more battery than standard GSM/CDMA signal then it's my problem!

If Apple is so concerned about that then why it is going to support 3G in iPhone v2? I mean its the worst excuse I ever heard. iLie!

^^ N95 looks a lot better! Atleast to me!

 

[iMav]

3g affects battery the same as cell fone applications take down the network

 

[narangz]

^^

Well Manan it really affects battery life You may check any Nokia phone's manual which has 3G. However how much it affects actually depends on the network, 3G Applications like Video Calls, Data transfer. So that low battery life actually seems good to me

 

[infra_red_dude]

Look at this thread. Read the second post. Turning 3G off on the N95 saves a lot of battery.

I haf said it earlier and say it again that giving the reason that 3G is a hogger and hence we didn't include it, is a lame reason. You cannot compare an iPhone with N95 and say it gives 8 hours backup while N95 gives only half of it. N95 has 3G, 5mp cam, video rec. etc. In the quest to reign supremacy you gotta do all that others do albeit with less resources.

Its really lame to say that if I remove the camera module, mp3 support, java VM (KVM) etc. from my W700i it will give me battery backup equivelent to that of N1100!

Breakthroughs and innovations happen when with the limited resources something extraordinary is achieved. Moto Razr V3m has 3G. You can see how slim it is yet gives great battery backup. What I mean to say is that its not difficult to integrate 3G in existing iPhone. I fully agree to the point that it has more memory, larger screen, wifi, faster proc. etc. which are battery hoggers. I hope you get the point I wanna make

I wish that Apple had chosen to do away with the camera but it is a huge selling point. Phones without cameras just don't sell so I guess Apple did not have any choice. As for Wi-Fi, well, it consumes less battery than 3G does and it is a much better option IMHO. You can have Wi-Fi anywhere. You don't need to depend on the network or carrier. I would prefer it to 3G any day.

Picture this: You are travelling in a car or a train, you are at a picnic spot etc. WiFi or 3G? (Of corz subject to the network). What I mean to say is that the coverage area is substaintially more. Anyways, its irrelevant in our context

Alas, I think you are wrong. They need to figure out how to include it in that thin a device while having a good battery life. To quote Anand Lal Shimpi, "as 3G deployments become even more widespread and technology improves you can expect to see lower power and more tightly integrated 3G chipsets available." I think they are waiting for that time. This is what I meant when I said that they need to figure it out.

You think 3G transreceivers are matchbox sized??

Quoting your own words here, which can be modified a bit for this context:

"If you always wait for the next price cut or to buy the new improved model, you'll never buy any technology product because there is always something better and less expensive on the horizon."

U R wrong, in USA 3G Is there more then Europe.

The thread was getting kinda boring. Thanks for cracking a joke!

 

[aryayush]

I haf said it earlier and say it again that giving the reason that 3G is a hogger and hence we didn't include it, is a lame reason. You cannot compare an iPhone with N95 and say it gives 8 hours backup while N95 gives only half of it. N95 has 3G, 5mp cam, video rec. etc. In the quest to reign supremacy you gotta do all that others do albeit with less resources.

Its really lame to say that if I remove the camera module, mp3 support, java VM (KVM) etc. from my W700i it will give me battery backup equivelent to that of N1100!

Breakthroughs and innovations happen when with the limited resources something extraordinary is achieved. Moto Razr V3m has 3G. You can see how slim it is yet gives great battery backup. What I mean to say is that its not difficult to integrate 3G in existing iPhone. I fully agree to the point that it has more memory, larger screen, wifi, faster proc. etc. which are battery hoggers. I hope you get the point I wanna make

I do, but I still think I am right and that we are going around in circles. N95 compromises on the battery life to include 3G, the Motorola phone compromises on the screen size and Wi-Fi to include 3G and the iPhone compromises on the 3G to give you a great battery life, Wi-Fi and a brilliant screen.

What I am trying to say is that you have to make certain tradeoffs and IMHO, a great battery life is far more important on a phone than super fast access to the Internet all the time. I hate my Nokia 6300 just because of the crappy battery life.

You have to prioritise. In Apple's opinion and in mine, battery life is the priority. In yours, maybe 3G is the priority. All I'm trying to say is that the original statement by eggman, "3G was always there and was no big deal in providing it" is wrong. It is a big deal because it affects the battery life and the size. Yes, Apple could have included it but then the world would have been griping about the battery life and its size. You just cannot satisfy everyone.

Picture this: You are travelling in a car or a train, you are at a picnic spot etc. WiFi or 3G? (Of corz subject to the network). What I mean to say is that the coverage area is substaintially more. Anyways, its irrelevant in our context

I am in my home far more often than I am out on a picnic. And the iPhone does have EDGE, in case you missed it.


And just for the sake of full disclosure, let me be very clear that though I do think that the exclusion of 3G from the first generation of the iPhone was not a bad decision and am defending it, I am not entirely satisfied with the phone myself and am going to wait for the second generation before I buy one.

 

[iMav]

ok so now what is it .... smaller screen or compromise on battery or what to include 3g or steve jobs came up with some new 3g technology

 

[infra_red_dude]

Motorola phone compromises on the screen size and Wi-Fi to include 3G and the iPhone compromises on the 3G to give you a great battery life, Wi-Fi and a brilliant screen.

What I mean to say is that inspite of including the 3G transreceiver, it is still "Razr" thin!

N95 compromises on the battery life to include 3G

Again, what I said was even with all these features it gives a decent 4 hour backup. How much backup would be lost with the inclusion of 3G in the iPhone? I'm no iPhone engineer, I can only speculate. But surely it won't eat up those "extra 4 hours" of battery life iPhone provides.

Mebbe inclusion would've sucked some battery power resulting in "only 6 hours" backup. Now that doesn't seem too big an advantage over "4 hours of backup on N95". But with exclusion of 3G they claim an 8 hour battery life and hence can market it as "double the battery backup than N95!" Hope you get my point.

You just cannot satisfy everyone.

Very true

I am in my home far more often than I am out on a picnic.

You don't represent the "entire" customer base.

And the iPhone does have EDGE, in case you missed it.

Yup, I know it.

Since 3G has li'l significance in India and I'm not a "potential" iPhone customer for at least an year now, neither you are (I suppose), I quote your first line here and end the discussion on "3G in iPhone"

.... that we are going around in circles.

 

[aryayush]

Yeah, let us just agree to disagree.

 

[faraaz]

Post deleted for obvious reasons...

Sorry arya

 

[aryayush]

Is there any level that you wouldn't mind falling to! Shame on you!

Post reported.

 

[krazzy]

faraaz dude have you lost your marbles. You can't talk like that on the forum to a member. Delete your post before the mods delete you.

 

[shantanu]

Faraaz : your language was abusive and very insulting.. infact you said sorry.. but the sentence was very offending to a member like arya.. he is a very old and reputed member...

two dayz in misery..

 

[iMav]

but hey whatever the case it was very well written (nothing to do with arya but the words and sentences that were framed were truly amazing)

 

[aryayush]

Sorry arya

Get lost. There's a limit up to which you can make a mistake and be pardoned for. You crossed that.

Faraaz : your language was abusive and very insulting.. infact you said sorry.. but the sentence was very offending to a member like arya.. he is a very old and reputed member...

two dayz in misery..

Thank you!