₹60k gaming rig!!! :-D

[ASHISH65]

And about games fc3 is hardly taxing and only bf3 multiplayer supports 4 cores so your reasons for multithreading are invalid and in games i5=i7 as they cant utilize ht cores likewise i3= pentium 2120. . .

wrong hyper threating have no impact if you have more than 2 core cpu.i3 and pentium mostly perform same,but in far cry and other multithreated games i3 is way faster.i3 got twice the fps than pentium in farcry 3 see here-

dual core + hyper threating have impact on gaming and also far cry 3 is multithreated game!

 

[vaibhavs800]

I dont see pentium 2120 ther??
I am right just google it,and its because of some programming language, heck 90% of the games need and manipulate only 2 cores!
And anyways hperthreading is basically like cramming more instrunctions per clock and 2 ht cores will most likely give you 1/2 core additional performance for double price

 

[The Incinerator]

You might buy K proccy and Z mobo ,yes you are right you will be able to overclock and get slightly better FPS,but think wise,if you do that then at your specified budget you will have to get a lesser GPU which at the end of the day will get you much lesser FPS than you will get with a FX Chip and 970 Chipset Mobo with a powerful GPU. With an FX and M5A97 you can push ina HD 7870 which is way better than a GTX 660. So. Tell me if I missed something.

 

[vaibhavs800]

+ g860 is sb that means 5% lower performance, slower ram, lower clock. In us price diff between pentium g2120 and i3 is like 15$ and add to that pentium's bad repo that is why they sell them less but in India its half the price!!

You might buy K proccy and Z mobo ,yes you are right you will be able to overclock and get slightly better FPS,but think wise,if you do that then at your specified budget you will have to get a lesser GPU which at the end of the day will get you much lesser FPS than you will get with a FX Chip and 970 Chipset Mobo with a powerful GPU. With an FX and M5A97 you can push ina HD 7870 which is way better than a GTX 660. So. Tell me if I missed something.

Ya you missed my point of additional cooler needed to overclock
This is what I am thinking, and please correct me if I am wrong
I5 3470 vs fx 8350
1) price= no differnce
M5a97 vs z77- 2.5k difference
but to overclock fx I need a 2.5k cooler and i5 can be overclocked to around 4 ghz without cooler, with fx to overcome intels ipc lead I need to overclock atleast at 4.5ghz, and add to that I loose quicksync which I might need a few times and it will perform those transcoding taks faster by hours!
And gtx 660 is a little cheaper and I couldnt find alternatives to adaptive vsync and geforce experience ( which supports only few games right now but its a work in progress)
I am upgrading from XBOX, and I dont want to first hit and try game settings for half an hour while monitoring my fps. Amd is more like brute force while nvidia and intel are all about optimisation, efficiency and elegance imo

And incinerator is your pic from PLAQUE INC. game??
Awesome game, the first one I bought on playstore.

 

[ASHISH65]

I dont see pentium 2120 ther??
I am right just google it,and its because of some programming language, heck 90% of the games need and manipulate only 2 cores!
And anyways hperthreading is basically like cramming more instrunctions per clock and 2 ht cores will most likely give you 1/2 core additional performance for double price

there is no big difference between g860 and g2120 just 5%+100mhz speed will not increase significantly performance and by the way ram running at 1333mhz and 1600mhz have no impact on gaming.

 

[The Incinerator]

Aah you remind me of audio speakers Finesse over Harshness. It dosnt work that way, In simple terms you are far better off with the AMD rig in terms of performance at that budget. The AMD coolers are great out of the box over Intel. If you want to do any clocking on the Intel processor ask anyone its better to get an after market cooler over the very bad stock ones Intel ships their processor with.
But yes if you want to overclock AMD to 4.5Ghz you need an aftermarket cooler and that will cost you Rs 2200. You can always add the cooler later. What I would recommend is if you wanna stay at Rs 62K better get the AMD rig. If you increase your budget to Rs 72K better get the Intel.Cause games want power over anything else.


And that logo is from a Metal Band - Biohazard. Ad did you mean Plague Inc?

 

[vaibhavs800]

there is no big difference between g860 and g2120 just 5%+100mhz speed will not increase significantly performance and by the way ram running at 1333mhz and 1600mhz have no impact on gaming.

Intel also disabled many instructions for that cpu and yes c# cannot use ht cores

Aah you remind me of audio speakers Finesse over Harshness. It dosnt work that way, In simple terms you are far better off with the AMD rig in terms of performance at that budget. The AMD coolers are great out of the box over Intel. If you want to do any clocking on the Intel processor ask anyone its better to get an after market cooler over the very bad stock ones Intel ships their processor with.
But yes if you want to overclock AMD to 4.5Ghz you need an aftermarket cooler and that will cost you Rs 2200. You can always add the cooler later. What I would recommend is if you wanna stay at Rs 62K better get the AMD rig. If you increase your budget to Rs 72K better get the Intel.Cause games want power over anything else.


And that logo is from a Metal Band - Biohazard. Ad did you mean Plague Inc?

Yup I meant Plague Inc.... Hey are phenom ii processors still available in the market?

And lol price diff. btw pentium g2120 and i3 2100 is 5$ in us No reputed site reviewed g2120 because no one would give up ht for 5$ but in India pric difference is 3000 and g2120 costs 4000. So you tell me. And I think the scores might get manipulated sdue to os background processes as they can pretty much use ht
Well atleast thats my best bet

 

[ASHISH65]

Which instruction sets disabled by intel? Can you explain us Mr.computer tech.

By the way g2120 is not available in india.

 

[The Incinerator]

I just saw Phenom II 560/AMD PROCESSOR PHENOM II X6 1055T att MD computers!

 

[bssunilreddy]

Yesterday i saw amd fx 8320 for sale on flipkart
So fx 8320 vs i5@4ghz which one is better?
They will cost the same to me as with fx I am gonna get cm hyper 212 evo and i5 would be on stock cooler
Till now my core components are
intel:
hd7870/ gtx 660
i5 3470 (oc to 4 ghz)
msi z77ma g45 mobo
nzxt source elite 210
seasonic eco 600 (might cf or sli in the future)
corsair xms3 4gbx2

amd:
fx 8320
cm hyper 212 evo
MSI 970A-G46
rest will be the same
and iwill buy ssd later

now i need to decide:
1) Graphic card as I will be playing some old games and I dont want screen tearing, so does nvidia adaptive vsync work? Does virtu vsync do the same job? Is triple buffering for amd easy? any first hnd experience will be appreciated
2) i5 3470 vs fx 8320
3) Should i buy ups?
4) Is there any site which can help me in game setting? Is geforce experience my only solution?
5) Which monitor to get after all the dont depend on 'specs'
I will be buying from wazirpur market as it is quite near to my house any recommended shops?
Thanks once again

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans:gaming, some novice photoshopping, might try sony vistas now after buying this
2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:60k including peripherals

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: If in budget, why the hell not?

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows 7/8

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: Atleast 500gb, without games I am using more than 200gb on my lappy

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Yes,1080p

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: None have to start from scratch

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Wazirpur, delhi or online with cod

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans:Might try with your help ofcourse

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Delhi, open to buy from any reputed seller

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Prices of games on XBOx suck!!!

AMD based RIG:

AMD FX 8350 -11400,
Asus M5A97 R2.0 -6100,
Gigabyte HD7850 2GB OC -12500,
WD Black 1TB -5500,
Corsair GS600 -4500,
Dell ST2220L 22" LED -8000,
Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1600MHz -3200,
NZXT Source 210 Elite -2900,
CM Hyper 212 Evo -2200,
Asus 24B5ST DVDRW -1000,
Logitech Gaming Combo G100 -1600,
Logitech Z313 2.1 Speakers -1600.
TOTAL -60,500.

All are local prices not online ones.

 

[vaibhavs800]

I just saw Phenom II 560/AMD PROCESSOR PHENOM II X6 1055T att MD computers!

And the price is??

Which instruction sets disabled by intel? Can you explain us Mr.computer tech.

By the way g2120 is not available in india.

It is available in Nehru place
CPU Hyperthreading and Gaming: Real-World Benchmarks - AnandTech Forums

So basically it seems newer games have a cap of four cores and older ones had two cores. That it why toms was recommending pentium's last year and phenom's this year. Its decided by the os to which core is the instruction is going

But ht core roughly provides 30% performance of a true core this means i3 is more like 3 core cpu


Now enough off topic posting so here is my rig until I get some prices:
Hdd- 1tb barracuda
Nzxt source 210 elite
Gtx 660/ hd 7870
I5 3470/ fx 8320/ i5 2500k if I could find one
Msi 970A-g46/ gigabye b75/ Msi z77ma 45
Corsair gs500/600
4gbx2 xms3 1600mhz ram
Dell st2220L
Cm xornet+ logitech kb120+ steelseries mousepad
Some cheap logitech speakers
Will mix and match for my budget at wazirpur
And lastly should I buy ups??

 

[Cilus]

Also, have a look at the Crysis 3 CPU performance in here: Crysis 3 Performance Test: Graphics & CPU > CPU Performance - TechSpot

Here you will see that even the i3 3220 is getting betaen by the AMD A10-5800K, an APU without L3 Cache. So it is obvious that even FX-4300 will be ahead of it as it is a more powerful CPU than A10. Also FX-8350 is almost as same as the i7 3770K and with slight overclock it can match the i7 performance. Even the older FX-4170 (4.2 GHz) is matching the performance of i5 3470. So I think we can conclude than now games are really taking the advantages of multicore processors.

It is not like that 1 single game is going to use it as Games are based on couple of Engines like Cry Engine, Unreal Engine. Now one engine is supporting Multi-threading means games developed on that engine will have a very high chance of Multi-Core optimization. I mentioned earlier also, for old games, the i5 and i3 do have an advantage but now or in near future, multicore technology is the way to go.

Regarding power consumption and heating of FX-8350, I can assure you they are no where near the limit. I run my Processor at 4.5 GHz (22.5X, 1.428 V) along with a old Hyper 212 Plus Cooler and with AMD Cool 'N Quiet disabled, the idle temperature never crosses 32 degree. At full load while playing Far Cry 3 for 2 hours, I got maximum temp as 66 degree C which is actually pretty good.

 

[vaibhavs800]

What should I look there fx 8350 and intel 3470 have a difference of 1 fps while intel using half the power?? Fx might have lead in heavily threaded programs but gaming is not one of them and video transcoding is neither. I was seeing anandtech benches and i5 just whooped fx's ass in 7zip, sc2 and world of warcraft which were the only 2 games in the comparison.
Maybe that now ps4 uses octo core we may see more ht but ps3 did also have 6 core cell proccy but we never saw more than 4 cores being used in its lifetime. I am sure you can pretty much max out any game with your rig and your mobo is awesome. As it costs 5k less than an equivalent lga 1155 mobo but comparing it to an i7 is a little far off. Trust me my friend if amd's performance was so good they wouldnt have been selling fx 8350 50$ less than fx 8150 launch price. At 1.5v i5 would just die. Your thermal temps are less because of excellent cooler and larger sized chip. I think its tdp is 125w and an i5 3550p which is without hd graphics has a tdp of 70w and is pretty much faster than fx in 90% of the games out there. Amd is a nice little company, but they placed their bets wrong and now goliath named intel is eating them up. Heck intel would have bought amd if it was not for anti competitive laws

 

[Godoftheforbiddenlight]

What should I look there fx 8350 and intel 3470 have a difference of 1 fps while intel using half the power?? Fx might have lead in heavily threaded programs but gaming is not one of them and video transcoding is neither. I was seeing anandtech benches and i5 just whooped fx's ass in 7zip, sc2 and world of warcraft which were the only 2 games in the comparison.
Maybe that now ps4 uses octo core we may see more ht but ps3 did also have 6 core cell proccy but we never saw more than 4 cores being used in its lifetime. I am sure you can pretty much max out any game with your rig and your mobo is awesome. As it costs 5k less than an equivalent lga 1155 mobo but comparing it to an i7 is a little far off. Trust me my friend if amd's performance was so good they wouldnt have been selling fx 8350 50$ less than fx 8150 launch price. At 1.5v i5 would just die. Your thermal temps are less because of excellent cooler and larger sized chip. I think its tdp is 125w and an i5 3550p which is without hd graphics has a tdp of 70w and is pretty much faster than fx in 90% of the games out there. Amd is a nice little company, but they placed their bets wrong and now goliath named intel is eating them up. Heck intel would have bought amd if it was not for anti competitive laws

If the little company called AMD din't exist...you would be probably buying an i5 for $1000....infact there would be no i5....pentium D would be what you get ........its clear that the PR department of Intel is successful on a few people...........atleast the EXTRA money they charge for their chips is going to some use..........buddy the benchmarks you see are mostly intel based....even microsoft doesn't have a software that fully utilizes the AMD architecture....and lastly man your the first person who's actually complaining about the price drop...i guess you think the best is always expensive

 

[Cilus]

Buddy, you are getting unnecessary confused. Video Encoding depends upon the type of encoder you are using and most of the well known and widely accepetd Video Encoders like Handbrake, MediaCoder, AVIDEMUX, MainConcept Reference etc are highly multi-threaded in nature. I don't know from where you got that news that i5 is faster than FX-8350 in video encoding, in tru nature, FX-8350 actually performs faster than i7 3770K (although by negligible margin) in X264 Conversion benchmark. In compression benchmark, it is just below i7 3770K.

Read here: Benchmark Results: Compression Apps : AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws?
Benchmark Results: Media Encoding : AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws?


It looks like you are just reading the conclusion of the reviews instead of actually going through them. Also, in my previous post, I was trying to convey you with the Crysis 3 benchmark that how games are becoming highly Multi-Threaded in nature. And don't compare a multi core Cell architecture which is a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer) based SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple DATA) design, with a CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computer) based X86 processor.....a 6 Core Cell works in complete different way than a Multi-Core X86 based CPU. Don't mix up things without knowing how things actually work. Start reading a bit of Computer architecture and design if you wanna compare them and use those terms to prove your point.

Go buy an Intel Configuration instead of asking here if you don't wanna listen what members are suggesting as you already know that Intel Processors are better.

Also I think enough number of configurations have been suggested to you, from both AMD and Intel... and you already know Intel is better and wanna go with it. Then no point of keeping this thread alive.

 

[skeletor]

i5 just whooped fx's ass in 7zip, sc2 and world of warcraft which were the only 2 games in the comparison.

did it really in 7-zip?
*i.imgur.com/S81GlWc.png

Having said that, pick up i5-3470 + HD 7870. That's going to be your best bet. No to FX-83xx and no to GTX 660.

 

[vaibhavs800]

Yup it did on atleast anandtech benches.
Well thanks celius although I came to check my account if it had been deleted.
And I had a thought as incinerator told me that phenom ii is still available, should I go for phenom + hd 660ti/7950 and I could have my ssd too
Will second hand phenoms be a risky purchase? As I saw some adds for fx4100+ msi 970 mobo for 8k so phenoms to will be around that. Because I have seen that I stop using my computer due to unbearable load time+ startup apps time. I have a guest account on my lappy on which I generally log in to just browse web.
So is speed difference significant between 5400rpm and 7200rpm drives?

 

[Cilus]

Don't tempt me... You should be banned for the 1st post for personal insult but here in TDF, moderators are much matured than you think. We just don't do things you are expecting as our maturity level is over your understanding.

 

[Technogeared007]

Chill,bro.^

 

[skeletor]

Yup it did on atleast anandtech benches.

what you failed to realise is, that I've posted the benchmark from Anandtech.

i5 can be overclocked to around 4 ghz without cooler

If you can deal with the cooler Intel provides, plus the tendency to run Ivy Bridge hot, it's no problem. I couldn't deal with Intel's stock cooler with my i5-2500K. Sandy Bridge runs very cool in comparison to Ivy Bridge, but Intel's cooler is rubbish.

Despite consuming 80 watts more in 100% load, FX-8350 runs cooler.

Let's say.. you're going to run your PC at 100% load for 5 hours a day for a year. (You will never do so btw....I mean 100% load.)

0.08 kW * 5 * 365 hours = 146 units. Rs. 4 * 146 units = Rs. 584.

You'll save approx. Rs. 584 (depending on your electricity unit price) in 1 year.

Meagre saving. Power consumption is hardly a factor for an average user or gamer. It is only a factor for folders because they are the ones who use their system for 24x7 @ 100% load.

I'm still telling you to go for i5-3470 + HD 7870 btw.