Here's Why Moto G will have a tough time being super hit in Indian market
The Incinerator
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I think this is a better option than moto g at 14.9K Lenovo S920 - Full phone specifications
Atleast Im not gonna spend 16K on a 16GB fone and no expandable memory with a bad camera ,4.5 inch screen , irremovable battery ,unimaginative cheap looking design , susceptible battery life.
Atleast Im not gonna spend 16K on a 16GB fone and no expandable memory with a bad camera ,4.5 inch screen , irremovable battery ,unimaginative cheap looking design , susceptible battery life.
SaiyanGoku
kamehameha!!
I guess getting out of stock various times over a period of 2 days within launch on flipkart doesn't counts as a failure.
lywyre
Cyborg Agent
Notable Differences
| Lenovo S920 | Moto G 16GB | |
| Memory | 4GB, SD Slot | 16GB, No SD Slot |
| Camera | 8MP | 5MP |
| Android | JB 4.1 | JB 4.3 |
| BlueTooth | 3 | 4 |
| Chipset | Mediatek MT6589 | Snapdragon 400 |
| Battery | Removable 2200mAh | Non-removable 2070mAh |
| Price (in INR at Flipkart) | 16.9k | 14k |
This whole thread was written keeping in mind the price of moto G 16 gb as 17k+.. it's launched at rs 14k .. it will be a lone winner at this price like i said before Moto g enjoys 1 month head start from the competition.. but at this price the value for money is hard to beat and hence this thread doesn't hold much value now..
Remember there are no Bad products just Bad pricing
having said that you have to keep in mind that this mobile is being sold online Exclusively right now so it is bound to get sold out,.. and online sales still constitutes a very very small part of what makes a device successful..
also getting sold out means nothing unless we don't know how much inventory they had .. it's still very early to say this is a massive hit wait 4-5 months..
But i am almost certain that this will be the best seller in Branded Phones at least if they start selling it offline and start advertising it..
No ways these are outdated phones wait for Newer 1.7 ghz quad and Octa cores to arrive ( March ).. those will be much better in specs than moto g
The Incinerator
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Notable Differences (Some Corrections)
And then you get compass gyroscope bigger screen and 7.9mm thickness
@ Rish....You know the biggest problem with us android users we want more more more cores without even thinking that we never need more than 4 cores and theres no Octacore that uses its all the core at the same time. Its just a 4+4 lay out that uses only one quad at a time depending on the intensity of the task. S920 has a very good combination of a ARM A7 that has the instruction set of the ARM A15 along with the Power VR SGX544,its definitely good with Antutu returning 14K and Real Racing 3 running in all its glory.
But Yes Moto G has got a good pricing but its still the Hype that is getting it going.
| Lenovo S920 | Moto G 16GB | |
| Memory | 4GB, SD Slot | 16GB, No SD Slot |
| Camera | 8MP | 5MP |
| Android | JB 4.2.1 | JB 4.3 |
| BlueTooth | 3 | 4 |
| Chipset | Mediatek MT6589 | Snapdragon 400 |
| Battery | Removable 2250mAh | Non-removable 2070mAh |
| Price (in INR at Flipkart) | 14.99K | 14k |
And then you get compass gyroscope bigger screen and 7.9mm thickness
@ Rish....You know the biggest problem with us android users we want more more more cores without even thinking that we never need more than 4 cores and theres no Octacore that uses its all the core at the same time. Its just a 4+4 lay out that uses only one quad at a time depending on the intensity of the task. S920 has a very good combination of a ARM A7 that has the instruction set of the ARM A15 along with the Power VR SGX544,its definitely good with Antutu returning 14K and Real Racing 3 running in all its glory.
But Yes Moto G has got a good pricing but its still the Hype that is getting it going.
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I don't care about cores , i care about GPU .. the power vr 544 is very very bad nowadays its way underpowered , 6589 is very old chipset now , it was replace by 6589T and now it has been replaced by 6588 and 6592 .. what i meant was that you should wait for 1.7 ghz quad core mtk6588 variant because it has mali 450 mp4 at 600 Mhz.. it is much powerful than adreno 305... never trust antutu scores .. real racing 3 runs good no doubt but real racing 4 will lag on it..
also this 6592 is a true octa so it will use all 8 cores at once.. 4+4 thing is for samsung s4
if you want to believe antutu then here are the scores
mediatek 6592 ( octa ) - 28000
Mediatek 6588 (1.7 ghz quad ) - around 21000 estimated
you are overpaying for Lenovo here because that level of performance you can get in Rs 8k phone nowadays
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Superayush
Tech lover
Btw if I am not wrong lenovo has bought motorola so clash of lenovo phone vs moto G is quite invalid ..
The Incinerator
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Even if it run all 8 cores at once will aqny app use it?
MTK 6588 is a product which even Mediatek is confused with since 2012 and we really dont know if it will see the light of the day on any handset.
Next generation phones will be better ofcourse but then we would always have to wait and will never end up buying.
Lastly Im yet to see a MTK6589 with PowerVr SGX 544 in a big global brand for Rs 8K that has 1GB Ram IPS 720p 5.3 screen and is 7.9mm thick with and 8 and 2 mpx cameras???!!!
And what makes you say that Power Vr is very very bad? Any reason?Have you seen the MTK6589 SoC with 544 and a Snapdragon and Adreno 305 play in real world?
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ok i'll explain in detail..
No that's why i said i don't care about Cores .. 99 % of the apps are optimized for single and dual cores .. quad core is itself overkill for android let alone 8 cores.. but having said that the newer one will be 1.7 ghz which is already 40-50 % or 0.5 ghz faster than 1.2 ghz 6589..
MT6588 is going to launch soon and xiomi is using it soon then all other OEM will start launching
Low-end Xiaomi Hongmi 1S with MediaTek's MT6588 quad-core chip launching soon?
i mean't performance wise you can get better Performance than 6589 in Rs 8000..
the newer SOC is called Mt6582 it is 1.3 Ghz quad core with Mali 400 Mp2 .. it is better in every respect than 6589 .. some phones have already been launched like Xolo q700s , even lenovo has one but i think it is around 12.5k.. like i said newer generation is already here buying older one now doesn't make sense.. 6582 is supposed to be under 10,000 rs phones ..
you can compare the performance go to GFXBench and compare all 3 gpu's
adreno 305 is 100 % or 2x faster than power vr(6589).. whereas the newer Mali 450 is approx 60-70% faster than Adreno 305
and all at the same price..
GFxbench is indicative of Real world tests.. it's the best Cross Platform Genuine benchmark you can trust..
No that's why i said i don't care about Cores .. 99 % of the apps are optimized for single and dual cores .. quad core is itself overkill for android let alone 8 cores.. but having said that the newer one will be 1.7 ghz which is already 40-50 % or 0.5 ghz faster than 1.2 ghz 6589..
mtk6588 is old 2012 product , i was talking about Mt6588
MT6588 is going to launch soon and xiomi is using it soon then all other OEM will start launching
Low-end Xiaomi Hongmi 1S with MediaTek's MT6588 quad-core chip launching soon?
But the next generation is already here . Mobile world congress is few days away there will be dozens of mobiles.. they all will launch next month true there is some waiting but the Difference in performance is <<<<HUGE>>>.. At the Same price you will get a major performance upgrade in a month.. also the newer SOC will run a lot cooler and With better GPS modules..
i mean't performance wise you can get better Performance than 6589 in Rs 8000..
the newer SOC is called Mt6582 it is 1.3 Ghz quad core with Mali 400 Mp2 .. it is better in every respect than 6589 .. some phones have already been launched like Xolo q700s , even lenovo has one but i think it is around 12.5k.. like i said newer generation is already here buying older one now doesn't make sense.. 6582 is supposed to be under 10,000 rs phones ..
Power VR is not bad , it is 1 year old now so it looks bad in comparison to others.. just like adreno 200 is also not bad but is old now so you will not buy it now right ? .. It was great in 2013 but not now..
you can compare the performance go to GFXBench and compare all 3 gpu's
adreno 305 is 100 % or 2x faster than power vr(6589).. whereas the newer Mali 450 is approx 60-70% faster than Adreno 305
and all at the same price..
GFxbench is indicative of Real world tests.. it's the best Cross Platform Genuine benchmark you can trust..
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The Incinerator
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Launch Date: MT6582 - 3rd Quarter 2013, MT6589 - December 2012
Features: Dual SIM and Cortex-A7 - the most power efficient application processor ARM has ever developed.
Process Technology: Both 28nm (nanometer)
CPU: Both Quad-Core ARM Cortex-A7
Speed: 1.3 GHz (MT6582), 1.2 GHz (MT6589)
GPU: MALI 400 (MT6582), PowerVR SGX544 (MT6589),
Resolution: Up to 1280 x 720 pixels (MT6582), 1280 x 1080 pixels (MT6589)
Camera: Up to 8 MP (MT6582), 13 MP (MT6589)
Video: Up to HD 720p (MT6582), Full HD 1080p (MT6589)
Modem: 3G/HSPA+ (MT6589). HSPA+ is faster and provides higher download rates than HSPA.
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^^Here
compared xperia C ( 6589 ) and xperia L ( adreno 305 )
Sony Xperia C (C2304, C2305, S39h) vs. Sony Xperia L (C2104, C2105) in GFXBench
check T rex offscreen benchmark
you can check any 6589 based Phone the avg score for 6589 is 2.5 fps .. whereas avg score for adreno 305 is 5.3 + fps
6589T is an overclocked Powervr it scores Around 3 fps..
And since this is an offscreen test the different resolutions of screen does not matter as we are here checking the Raw performance of GPU .. all are run at stanadard 1080p resolution
and here is a comparison between Xolo q700s ( newer Mediatek 6582 ) and Xperia C ( 6589 )
check t rex offscreen
Sony Xperia C (C2304, C2305, S39h) vs. XOLO Q700S in GFXBench
it is not only better than 6589 but also better than 6589T..
it scores around 3.7 FPS
also the antutu Score for 6582 is around 16.5k
the reason Mediatek does not include Full HD playback in 6582 while weaker 6589 can do it is because 6582 is designed for low end phones 100-150 $ phones ( 7-8K ) phones... whereas 6588 is for 220-250$ phones whereas 6592 is for 300 $ phones
compared xperia C ( 6589 ) and xperia L ( adreno 305 )
Sony Xperia C (C2304, C2305, S39h) vs. Sony Xperia L (C2104, C2105) in GFXBench
check T rex offscreen benchmark
you can check any 6589 based Phone the avg score for 6589 is 2.5 fps .. whereas avg score for adreno 305 is 5.3 + fps
6589T is an overclocked Powervr it scores Around 3 fps..
And since this is an offscreen test the different resolutions of screen does not matter as we are here checking the Raw performance of GPU .. all are run at stanadard 1080p resolution
and here is a comparison between Xolo q700s ( newer Mediatek 6582 ) and Xperia C ( 6589 )
check t rex offscreen
Sony Xperia C (C2304, C2305, S39h) vs. XOLO Q700S in GFXBench
it is not only better than 6589 but also better than 6589T..
it scores around 3.7 FPS
also the antutu Score for 6582 is around 16.5k
the reason Mediatek does not include Full HD playback in 6582 while weaker 6589 can do it is because 6582 is designed for low end phones 100-150 $ phones ( 7-8K ) phones... whereas 6588 is for 220-250$ phones whereas 6592 is for 300 $ phones
The Incinerator
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But then xolo's screen resolution is lower than the xperia c, aint? Hence the difference.
i wrote this before also this is an Offscreen test , meaning the device resolution does not matter here. The offscreen test is run at 1080p fixed resolution regardless of what the device resolution is ... if you want to compare device specific performance check onscreen test.. it will run the test at Device native resolution..
here is a comparison between Micromax A114 ( 6582 ) vs Xperia C ( 6589) . Both Phones have same resolution 960x540
Sony Xperia C (C2304, C2305, S39h) vs. Micromax A114 Canvas 2.2 in GFXBench
to put in perspective The new Mediatek MT6588 will score around 8 FPS approx( estimated )
so
Adreno 220 - 2.5 FPS
6589- 2.5 FPS
6589 Turbo - 3.0 FPS
6582 - 3.7 FPS
Adreno 225/305 - 5.3 FPs
6588 - 8 FPS
6592 - 10 FPS
Adreno 320 - 14 FPS
Tegra 4 - 22 FPS
Adreno 330 - 24 FPS
you can do the math which GPu is better than which one and by how much percent