Urgent! Please help me find a Intel processor & Motherboard

[kumar_]

Guys I found something.

Please comment after checking this comparison
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1. I think 2600s is running at low speeds initially and scaling up as per demand (equal to 2600/2600K). resulting in less power consumption. (am not sure. But I think it is doing so, as per comparison)

2. what is Bus core/ratio? How it will effect performance or power consumption?

3. If anyone know the cost of 2600s please specify.
(I would like to buy one of 2600 or 2600s, based on the Price)

Now about Motherboard
am still thinking I will let you guys know (even am running out of time.)

Please recheck and suggest me good MB based on the processor 2600s and 2600 (LGA 1155 socket) a bit low cost MB(if possible), without compromising at features. with good warranty & more service centres.

Future-proof motherboard please

 

[vickybat]

Well bus core/ratio is nothing but the cpu multiplier. Its the ratio between the cpu's internal clocks with the external base clock (bclk). The cpu has a PLL (phased locked loop) circuitry that generates an output signal based on the phase of the input signal.

Frequency is basically a derivative of phase and due to the pll circuitry, the phases remain constant and so is the frequency of input and output signal. Therefore a PLL can track input frequency and generate a frequency that is multiple of the input frequency.

So a cpu with an 6x multiplier will see 6 cycles for every one external cycle.

Considering the 2600s, it has a bus core/ratio of 28 and the bclk is 133mhz, the cpu frequency is:

28 X 133mhz = 3800 mhz or 3.8ghz.

When 2600s attains turbo frequency, the multiplier is 28. When it works @ 2.8ghz,

Bus core/ratio is 2800/133 = 21.

2600k has an unlocked multiplier i.e you can increase the bus core/ratio to attain higher clock speeds and process more no. of cycles per external clock.

Eg- Incrementing the multiplier to a value lets say 40 will bring up the overall operating speeds to 40 X 133MHZ = 5.3ghz.


Note- I7 2600s is expensive owing to its power saving and low profile features. Get the i7 2600 along with a good h67 board and you're good to go with your requirements. It can even handle high end gaming without any need to overclock.

 

[d6bmg]

Note- I7 2600s is expensive owing to its power saving and low profile features. Get the i7 2600 along with a good h67 board and you're good to go with your requirements. It can even handle high end gaming without any need to overclock.

This is the most important point to consider. +1.

 

[Ishu Gupta]

1. I think 2600s is running at low speeds initially and scaling up as per demand (equal to 2600/2600K). resulting in less power consumption. (am not sure. But I think it is doing so, as per comparison)

Actually that increased speed is achieved by disabling cores and running the other cores at faster speeds.

This is not useful for you as you would want more cores for VMs.

Example

Spoiler

For Core i7-2920XM.
The normal operating frequency is 2.5 GHz. Turbo is indicated as: 7/8/9/10 in which the first number is the multiple of 100 MHz supported when four cores are active, the second number is the multiple for three cores, the third number is for two cores, and the fourth number is for one active core.

Subject to limits on temperature, current and power consumption, the processor can increase its clock speed (from a base frequency of 2.5 GHz)in steps of 100 MHz to:
# of cores active # of Turbo Steps Max frequency Calculation
4 7 3.20 GHz 2500 + 7 × 100 = 2500 + 700 ≃ 3200
3 8 3.30 GHz 2500 + 8 × 100 = 2500 + 800 ≃ 3300
2 9 3.40 GHz 2500 + 9 × 100 = 2500 + 900 ≃ 3400
1 10 3.50 GHz 2500 + 10 × 100 = 2500 + 1000 ≃ 3500

 

[kumar_]

Note- I7 2600s is expensive owing to its power saving and low profile features....

I don't understand business tactics, why companies support green at higher costs (when it is equal to not supporting).

ok... whatever.

Friends help me with choosing MoBo, now am confused with 2 chipsets. one is H67 and the other is Z68. By googling I understood one equation and that is:

H67 ≠ P67 while (H67 + P67) = Z68

H67 ≠ P67
which means it has one main difference P67 can't use IGP, but can be OC'd. Where its elder Brother - H67 can't be OC'd

(H67 + P67) = Z68
Which means Z68 shares genes of both H67 & P67(OC & Usable IGP) + few more features(which i don't know exactly)

Now the questions are...

Which is the best H67 mobo with in budget.

Thanks in advance.

 

[kumar_]

Finalizing config. Final suggestions Please
Please give me final advice... today I should buy at anycost.

I have decided on processor etc see below

with my budget of 35K i choose to have these
Processor will be 2nd Generation Intel core i7 2600
i already have a graphics card NVIDIA 7600GT (so nothing new here)
RAM 4GB of corsair 1333
need to buy a 500watt PSU (brand yet to decide based on the availability here - could be coolermaster)
if I can save some money i should buy coolermaster Cabinet too, because of PSU (it costs around 2.5k)
and a coolermaser CPU cooler, if needed(optional nearly 1.7K)

Only motherboard is left now. suggest on that please (am confused with all these chipsets so lets go with what I need)

MB should cost 10k or 11K(if possible) because i should buy RAM and PSU/SMPS

Socket: 1155 & Brands: Intel, Gigabyte, ASUS

Readily available Connectivity & Support for...

USB 2.0/1.1 and 3.0 (future proofing)
SATA 3Gb/s and 6Gb/s + eSATA (future proofing)
DVI & HDMI support
PCIe x16 and others PCI slots with 2.0 standard (future proofing)
RAID support
Support for DDR3 2133/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz memory modules
VRM support
with good cache 8MB

Suggest me two motherboard types please
- one based on any chipset (h67, p67 or z68) with all above features
- other with Intel quick sync support + above features

Thanks everyone in advance. I'll be very thankful for your efforts on this.

 

[Cilus]

Kumar, I think somewhere I have posted an explanation of all the Intel Sandybridge motherboards and processors. Here I'm posting it again. Go through it properly and it will help you to understand and decide your components

Spoiler

Apart from H55, all the chipset present in your query are basically designed for Intel Sandy Bridge processors and are having LGA 1155 socket. They support the Sandybridge i3, i5 and i7 processors like i3 2100, i5 2300, 2400, i5 2500 and 2500K, i7 2600 and 2600K.
H55 is designed to support the previous generation Nehalem based 1156 socket i3, i5 and i7 processors like Core i3 560, i5 630, i5 750 and 760 and i7 860K processors. H55 has already reached its EOL.

H61 is the cheapest among all the sandybrige motherboard chipset and designed mainly for HTPC and normal setup. They are having very less number of SATA and USB ports and normally only two ram slots with maximum of 16 GB ram support. Most of them are lacking USB 3.o support. They do have onboard Display output and can use the fused IGP of the Sandybridge processors but don't support overclocking even if the K series unlocked Multiplier based Sandybridge processors are plugged into it.

H67 is the bigger brother of H61 chipset and normally they offers more features compared to a H61 mobo. They can have 4 ram slots with 32 GB ram support, most of them are also having SATA 3 and USB 3.0 support. They are also having onboard Display output and don't support overclocking. This chipset is targeted to Mainstream audience.

P67 is the 1st performance oriented platform and when a K series processor like i5 2500K are plugged into it, it supports overclocking. Non-K processors like i5 2400 can be used with it but overclocking is not possible. The disadvantage is that it does not have Onboard display output and the fused IGP of SB processors get disabled when plugged into this chipset based mobos. You need a discrete graphics card for display.

Z68 is the most advanced of the all and it basically combaines the features of P67 and H67 chipsets. It does support overclocking of the K series processor and it has onboard display output so that the IGP of the SB CPU can be used. Apart from that it also supports a feature called SSD smart caching where a small sized cheap SSD can be used as a buffer between the HDD and Ram to improve Read/Write performance. Theoritically it can provide 4 times higher performance than a standard HDD.

Adding some more points since you guys are making it sticky:

1. Non K Processor + H61 mobo = Intel IGP Enabled with Onboard Dsplay + No Overclocking + Lucid Logic Virtue Software support with dynamic switching between IGP and dedicated GPU (if Plugged) as per application need + 2 DIMM DDR3 slot with max 16 GB support + SATA 3 + optional USB 3.0
Example: Core i3 2300 + Asus P8H61-M LE B3

2. K Series Processor + H61 mobo = Same result as case 1
Example: Core i5 2500K + Asus P8H61-M LE B3

3. Non K Processor + H67 mobo = Intel IGP Enabled with Onboard Dsplay + No Overclocking + Lucid Logic Virtue Software support with dynamic switching between IGP and dedicated GPU (if Plugged) as per application need + 2/4 DIMM DDR3 slot with max 16/32 GB GB support + SATA 3 + USB 3.0
Example: Core i3 2300 + Intel DH67VR-B3

4. K Series Processor + H67 mobo = Same result as case 3
Example: Core i5 2500K + Intel DH67VR-B3

5. Non K Processor + P67 mobo = No onboard Display + No Overclocking + No Lucid Logic Virtue Software support + 4 DIMM DDR3 slot with max 32 GB GB support + SATA 3 + USB 3.0
Example: Core i5 2400 + MSI P67A GD55

6. K Series Processor + P67 mobo = No onboard Display + Overclocking + No Lucid Logic Virtue Software support + 4 DIMM DDR3 slot with max 32 GB GB support + SATA 3 + USB 3.0
Example: Core i5 2500K+ MSI P67A GD55

7. Non K Processor + Z68 mobo = onboard Display + No Overclocking + Lucid Logic Virtue Software support + 4 DIMM DDR3 slot with max 32 GB GB support + SATA 3 + USB 3.0 + SSD Smart caching
Example: Core i5 2400 + MSI Z68A-GD55

8. K Series Processor + Z68 mobo = onboard Display + Overclocking + Lucid Logic Virtue Software support + 4 DIMM DDR3 slot with max 32 GB GB support + SATA 3 + USB 3.0 + SSD Smart caching
Example: Core i5 2500K+ MSI Z68A-GD55

I will still suggest you to stick with Core i7 2600 + Intel DH67GD motherboard. It will fulfill all the needs of yours apart from ram speed support over 1333 MHz. But in kind of applications you've mentioned, there wont be/very marginally performance improvement in any real life scenario by usning a 1600 MHz/1866 MHz ram over a 1333 MHz ram. If you want some high quality mobo, then opt for Asus P8H67-V @ 7.3K. It can be overclocked certain extent automatically by using Asus TurboV and AutoTuning feature .

 

[vickybat]

@ Kumar_

Mate your rig is completely offbalance. A very powerful cpu (2600) and a paltry stoneage Gpu (7600gt).

You've mentioned mid-range gaming in the template that you filled in the first post. How do you expect the 7600gt to handle that?
And why are you buying an expensive 11k board?

Stick with cilus's suggestion for the cpu + mobo +ram. Its a very good combo and completely VFM.
But change that 7600gt at all costs because its completely obsolete now and cannot even handle gaming at 1024x768 resoluion of today's games.

Get a decent mid-range card that will assist you in 3d modelling and rendering as well.

Get Zotac GTS 450 @ 6.5K. I recommended nvidia cause you'll be using the red_hat distro and it has poor support for amd cards. Also nvidia cuda is more mature and support by lot of 3d modelling softwares.

 

[kumar_]

I will still suggest you to stick with Core i7 2600 + Intel DH67GD motherboard.....

Thanks you for replying, every time I asked for. I'll finalize after checking the new Intel and ASUS Motherboard you suggested.

Thank you very much

@ Kumar_

Mate your rig is completely offbalance. A very powerful cpu (2600) and a paltry stoneage Gpu (7600gt).

You've mentioned mid-range gaming in the template that you filled in the first post. How do you expect the 7600gt to handle that?
And why are you buying an expensive 11k board?

Stick with cilus's suggestion for the cpu + mobo +ram. Its a very good combo and completely VFM.
But change that 7600gt at all costs because its completely obsolete now and cannot even handle gaming at 1024x768 resoluion of today's games.

Get a decent mid-range card that will assist you in 3d modelling and rendering as well.

Get Zotac GTS 450 @ 6.5K. I recommended nvidia cause you'll be using the red_hat distro and it has poor support for amd cards. Also nvidia cuda is more mature and support by lot of 3d modelling softwares.

Thanks vickybat . for suggesting G-card, I was just specifying my card so that people can suggest me a NVIDIA supported MB. I have plans to buy a G-Card too but not now. That is the reason I am asking for a good config. So that I can build on this new skeleton. Even I trust NVIDIA only because I have seen some bad experiences with ATI in Past.

Thanks again. rig is finally finalized.

 

[clear_lot]

Video editing & Conversion, Audio Editing & Conversion,
- 3D Modelling, Rendering & Mid Range Gaming, expecting to play HD too.

doing that and not OC the CPU? these are the most CPU intensive tasks. they will benefit a lot from OC.

 

[Cilus]

^^ Have a look at the article: Core i7-2600K Overclocked: Speed Meets Efficiency : Overclocking And Efficiency Go Hand-In-Hand and check how much benefit you'll get to 4.6 GHz overclock over the stock speed of 2600K.

 

[sukesh1090]

so what say cilus 2600 or 2600k as the performance gained by overclocking is very good.

 

[Cilus]

A 4.5 GHz overclocking in Indian condition....you need a premium level cooler buddy, not less than 5K. And a person who is not even thinking of overclocking, don't expect a 4.5 GHz, even after he learns to overclock after getting a K series cpu.
And although the numbers looks really cool, in real life, tell me are you gonna keep your processor to 4 GHz all the time to gain a 2 min advantage? Now it is with the OP, I guess because my opinion...It simply not justify the high current consumption + Extra aftermarket cooler value + the risk factor of overclocking.

 

[clear_lot]

@ cilus:
i dont know how you interpret the results, but knocking 10-20 seconds off in apps that takes 60-70 seconds on stock is considered extremely good.
and OC a k series cpu is easy and simple. results with a hyper 212+ are good till 4.6ghz.

 

[Cilus]

Buddy, Hyper 212+ is a basic cooler and it cannot lt you overclock 2600K to 4.6 GHz, especially in Indian condition where the standard room temperature is well above 30 degree C. Due to the hyper threading or 8 logical cores, in overclocking 2600K runs lot hotter than 2500K which doesn't have HT enabled.

 

[sukesh1090]

yes cilus you are right there is no meaning in overclocking to 4.6 GHz if he is not interested in overclocking at all.even the power consumption will also go high which op don't want.so ,op should go with cilus suggestion mentioned in 3 or 4th post i guess.

 

[d6bmg]

kind of offtopic: is ASUS P8Z68 V PRO available at 12K only? where?