Time names iPhone Invention of the Year
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Tanmay
Journeyman
aryayush said:But if you're expecting a public acceptance of the fact, stop having these delusions of grandeur right now. That just aint happenin', fella. This guy will die before he accepts that Apple has completely thrown every cellphone company for a loop and everyone is scrambling to try and catch up with it now.
No matter how much you argue with him, he'll keep assuming that you have never used any other smartphone in this world and that all the world's knowledge has been bestowed upon him, and only him, by the Almighty. N95 and W960i will keep appearing in his posts for encore performances and the discussion will keep going around in circles.
There's no end to this. So, for you own sake, stop trying to pull someone out of the ditch when he likes it there. Enjoy!
Hehe, I'm keenly waiting for his reply. But I hope atleast by reading this thread normal people understand the real Concept of the iPhone and what Steve really meant.
Inshort iPhone has all those features which you're really gonna use and not what you think you might use
Its as simple as that 
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Tanmay said:
1) That application doesn't have access to all youtube videos, but only a few which are encoded by Google in H.264 for iPhone access. For example, I cannot see my doggi's video in iPhone but I can in N82 or N81 or any other phone.
About the browsing experience, ever heard of iPod touch...which is already available in Lucknow with same browsing ability.
I have used the N95 for a month, so plz don't tell me what's better and whats not. The Photo Application on the iPhone is way faster and much more fun than the N95 ! The experience you get for actually pinching or flicking the fotos with your hands is unmatched ! And afaik its the Multi-Touch UI that made the iPhone deserve the Times award
Irrelevent.
Hmm...you seriously need to view the EMail application in Symbian/Windows Mobile which had these features from long back. Even my K750i has it.
You should read the blogs again where updating a jailbraked iPhone bricked the iPhone, also unlocking & hacking voids the warrenty. Plz talk about a legal & more widely accepted way like in case of Symbian or Windows Mobile OS
You play a playlist & keep the Phone in pocket. how many times do u look at it after that?
Video quality is better due to screen, I agree. Iphone is a gr8 pmp but fails as a phone.
arya said:
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Inshort iPhone has all those features which you're really gonna use and not what you think you might use
Let's see...
making videos with iPhone = Nope
Forwarding that funny SMS I got = Nope
Taking good pics = Nope, no autofocus & flash in a device of this cost
Changing ringtone to one I like = Nope...
Yahoo Messenger or other Chat clients/MOrange = Nope
Ability to disable loading images to save money = Nope....
Ability to play WMA (in which I have my all songs) = Nope
Ability to play my DivX HD Rips of TV Shows = Nope
All this can be done in N81, N82 etc etc
goobimama
Macboy
1) Coming soon
2) -
3) The iPhone takes very good pics. I have yet to come across a phone camera which takes good night shots. Yes, I'm even considering the K790i with the Xenon flash. So it's not like Apple to allow for such crappy shots. If it can't do it well, it won't do it at all.
4) Coming soon, very soon (Garageband page on Apple.com has Send ringtone to iPhone)
5) WTF!
6) Seriously? That's your limitation? WMA? The joke of all formats?
7) Of course you can easily convert your videos to iPhone.
Oh, now suddenly it is irrelevant eh?! How might I ask?
What are you trying to say? You've used the mobile safari browser? And you still think it's crap?
It's the experience baba! The experience! And I'm not talking about eye candy wow effects here. You select an email, it opens up, you scroll through it with the thumb, find out it's not the one, go back to inbox. With your symbian 'Joystick', you are pretty much left scrolling for the rest of the day before you find the right email. It's all about the ease of use, navigation, and helpful animations.
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
If you had been a little more observant about what happens in the technology industry, you would have known that the full database of YouTube has now been re-encoded with the H.264 codec and is therefore, available from the YouTube application on the iPhone.gx_saurav said:
In other words, you can watch every single YouTube video that exists from an iPhone, with the best user interface.
LOL!gx_saurav said:
The sheer stupidity of this comment cannot be described in just words.
Ha! Ha! A little bit of thinking before you utter something would never hurt!
Yeah, that "legal & more widely accepted way" is coming in two months from now.gx_saurav said:
A lot of times. And different people use their cellphones in different ways. I, for example, never carry my phone in my pocket. It always stays in my hand.gx_saurav said:
You can't "make" videos even on some underpowered computers these days and you're talking about a phone! LOL!gx_saurav said:
Seriously though, not having video recording capabilities is, IMHO, a plus point. However, it is coming soon, without your having to pay anything for it.
It will get this feature in the near future. Till then, even I don't recommend buying the iPhone.gx_saurav said:
If you'd read any review or seen any of the thousands of pictures taken from the iPhone on sites like Flickr, you'd have known that it has a pretty darned good camera and takes decent pictures. A Flash and Autofocus do not magically result in better pictures. (Who am I talking to! This is the guy who thinks that digital zoom is a good thing to have.gx_saurav said:
)Yes. This is officially supported by the iPhone now. You can have any custom ringtone you want, free of charge. Apple has posted a support document on how to achieve that on Mac OS X. I presume that a Windows version is coming soon too...gx_saurav said:
I have used an iPhone and I can tell you from first hand experience that the iPhone has more native and web based IM clients designed for it than Mac OS X has.gx_saurav said:
I am not sure whether this feature is there or not and I am certainly not taking your word for it.gx_saurav said:
Newsflash, buddy! No one cares for you or others like you. The iPod does not support WMA either. Never has. Guess which music player you can see everywhere you look these days. Gist of the matter is that no one cares for crappy codecs and for people who use those crappy codecs.gx_saurav said:
Why not! You gotta convert them but you can play them and as a bonus, it looks better than on almost any other handheld device.gx_saurav said:
But none can do it the way the iPhone does it and that's why they all suck! That's why Nokia has released the "iPhone clone". Everyone, except you, knows how far ahead of normal phones the iPhone is. Heard of any other phones that are referred to as the 'JesusPhone' in the media lately?gx_saurav said:
The iPhone has two, and only two, major drawbacks - its limited feature set pertaining to text messaging and Bluetooth. Once these two are fixed (and they will be, soon), either by third parties or by Apple, there will remain no reason not to buy the iPhone.
Tanmay
Journeyman
gx_saurav said:
Almost all of YouTube is now on the iPhone. The Videos which you'll actually watch say a Music Video, or a Video Game Review or any funny stuffs will already be there !
And what point are u trying to make with the iPod Touch ? I didnt get you ?
gx_saurav said:
Irrevelant ? What the fish that means ? So you agree atlast Photo experience is much better on the iPhone.
gx_saurav said:
Agreed the EMail application is nothin to boast of...but hey its still one of the best out there with full Html and an inbuilt PDF support.
gx_saurav said:
FYI Jailbreaked iPhone dont brick, Unlocked iPhone have a chance of bricking cause of its patched baseband. Original iPhone owners don't have to worry about it. And these days chances of bricking are as good as nil.
gx_saurav said:
Even to make and select that playlist is more fun on the iPhone ! Isn't that a plus point ? Besides the great Music Quality (you need to hear the difference between N73 ME and iPhone) you get some extra cool effects too....
gx_saurav said:
Lets see now....
1. Making Videos----Yep soon coming in a week at most--- *www.engadget.com/2007/12/13/iphone-gets-video-recording-capabilities/
2.Forward and Editing SMSs --- Yep already there --- *code.google.com/p/iphone-smsd/
3. Just compare the pics taken by an iPhone to pics taken by any other 2Mp Camera fone for e.g. N70. You'll hardly notice any difference. And anyways iPhone way better than that N70 interms of casual photos. For an N70 you have to wait for atleast 10 seconds before the actual camera starts and then again keep the Phone steady for it to come clear. But for the iPhone, it opens up in a snap and takes photos in a snap !
4.Changing Ringtones --- Yep --- SendSong/iBrickr/iToner is there !
5. Apollo/MobileChat is there....and Meebo has a specialized iPhone Version !
6.Ability to disable loading images to save money = Nope.... Im actually ROLF at this !
7. All your Songs in WMA...another lame point....almost 99.99% have theirs in Mp3/AAC ! You're the only antique !
8.
As if there's any free and stable application which can do that without Re-Encoding your DivX/Xvid files to a lower resolutiongx_saurav said:
Anyways I can still watch all my shows by simply using a converter...which mostMobile users already do....So if you're sane enough and understood the above points, iPhone not only succeeds as a Phone but is a great MultiMedia Device too !
@goobi/aryayush : Sorry bros...didn't see your reply while I was writing this....guess you beat me to it
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
goobimama said:
1) Let me know when this is in iPhone which has been there in other phones since ages.
2) What?
3) U must be joking
4) I don't have a Mac for Garageband. now what? But I can copy my mp3 to K750i & set as ringtone even now.
5) I need it, I use my phone for everything. Even cooking dinner
6 & 7 ) I don't want to convert my song. I can simply copy them to my Phone using WMP11 or Nokia PC suite or SE PC Suite & done.
Can't disable images, can't block ADs, no flash,...yup it's useless for me.
Wait, that's what we do in Symbian. too...what's the difference?
Have a look at Outlook for Windows Mobile
Create Playlist - > Enter name for it
Select Music...
That's how I do it in my phone. What's so complex about it?
All in all, even you guys are pointing the same points pointed before. iPhone has nothing that other Phones do no provide, but many things like Forwarding SMS etc which many phones already provide. No one is going to wait for 3 months to get a feature & then buy an iPhone, when they can simply buy a Nokia N81 or W960i right now which is more VFM then iPhone.
You are talking about features which will come soon, here is the thing,....iPhone Esqe UI will "also come soon" on Symbian & SOny Ericsson Phones, wait for it then
Tanmay
Journeyman
gx_saurav" said:
I guess you missed my post....read it carefully....from SMS Forwarding to Setting Ringtones...everything is available....
gx_saurav" said:
At one moment you want to Block Images to save bandwidth and you also want Flash which is a b/w sucker ! Please make up your mind....whats the use of the Net without images.....Flash is not an integral part and is not necessarily needed. Inshort the iPhone has things which you're really gonna need, and not which you think you may need.
gx_saurav" said:
There's something called as Experience ! The User Experience of the iPhone is way better than any phone out there !
gx_saurav" said:
That the whole point behind the iPhone getting Times award
Its an innovative device with never before seen technology ! The MultiTouch Interface is what distinguishes it among other mortals.....and thats what makes the iPhone worth it !
Tanmay
Journeyman
gx_saurav said:
Isn't a Great PMP + Phone capability make it a great MultiMedia Phone ? It beats the competition hands down in the 399$ Price range ! Even after having most of the features ones gonna need + the awesome GUI, how come you think its not worth it ? Either your too stubborn to accept the fact that iPhone deserved the award or your way tooo obsessed with Nokia/SE.....
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iMav
The Devil's Advocate
noTanmay said:
coz my fone isnt my pmp but it can do a lot more than the iphone ... damn i have a2dp i can send files via bluetooth i can forward a sms i can record vdos :0 so the simp;le answer to ur question is no Tanmay said:
it has features that a person needs in a fone other than receiving and making calls it has nothing that other multimedia fones can do - a fone isnt a flashy UI it is what u can do with the fone that matters
no, coz it cant do a pleothra of things without hacking it that even my 6600 can doTanmay said:
forget competing with n95 or even p1i
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
OK. Whatever.
I think I speak collectively for myself, goobimama, Tanmay, TIME Magazine and every other sane person/publication in this world when I say that we give up. Yes, we give up. You guys win. Boy, we should have known better than to argue with two of the most sophisticated and hyper intelligent people of our planet.
Please accept our humble apologies! We were so busy lusting after that sucker of a phone that we failed to notice the sheer genius and the shining beacon of light that you two symbolise and and have been trying to lure us to. We are so sorry!
I think I speak collectively for myself, goobimama, Tanmay, TIME Magazine and every other sane person/publication in this world when I say that we give up. Yes, we give up. You guys win. Boy, we should have known better than to argue with two of the most sophisticated and hyper intelligent people of our planet.
Please accept our humble apologies! We were so busy lusting after that sucker of a phone that we failed to notice the sheer genius and the shining beacon of light that you two symbolise and and have been trying to lure us to. We are so sorry!
iMav
The Devil's Advocate
the word invention it has 2 meanings:
1. create or design a new device - everything that the iphone has is available in other devices since ages so this meaning of the term invention doesnt fit the fone
however
2. make up especially to deceive - is an absolutely apt term to describe this device ... and so yes considering this meaning of the word invention the iphone is the 2007 winner coz its a device which with its flashy UI deceives users to what it can do
and thank you not for the big words u used to describe us but giving this discussion a rest despite of u urself saying that u wont be buying the fone for the obvious drawbacks it has u still will continue to blow its trumpet
so thank u fr giving a break to this discussion as we both know it for a fact (whether u want to publically accept it or no is upto u) that the iphone isnt a multimedia fone which can in features of a multemedia fone match the 1s currently avaiable
1. create or design a new device - everything that the iphone has is available in other devices since ages so this meaning of the term invention doesnt fit the fone
however
2. make up especially to deceive - is an absolutely apt term to describe this device ... and so yes considering this meaning of the word invention the iphone is the 2007 winner coz its a device which with its flashy UI deceives users to what it can do
and thank you not for the big words u used to describe us but giving this discussion a rest despite of u urself saying that u wont be buying the fone for the obvious drawbacks it has u still will continue to blow its trumpet
so thank u fr giving a break to this discussion as we both know it for a fact (whether u want to publically accept it or no is upto u) that the iphone isnt a multimedia fone which can in features of a multemedia fone match the 1s currently avaiable
goobimama
Macboy
Laughing out loud! Good one dude!
Also, I was just about to post something like what Aayush has written. I'll come out with it. Deep inside I knew it but didn't want to say it cause I'm a macboy. The iPhone sucks! It's the worst piece of garbage that's come out of Cupertino, though it really can't be easily distinguished from the rest of the garbage that comes out of there.
(If only I had listened to gx and bought a PC...)
Tanmay
Journeyman
I guess you're correct aryayush but I'm not giving up so soon
Now here we go again...it'll be better if you go through atleast the previous page thoroughly, Im not gonna explain you separately the Features of the iPhone now available all over again !! I already said iPhone SUPPORTS SMS FORWARDING and soon VIDEO along with Ringtones, YouTube, Instant Messengers, VOIP Application, Direct Uploads to Flickr, Custom Themes, GPS Support (via an external device which costs ~89$), !
Regarding A2DP....well tell me this...how many of you here actually own a Bluetooth Stereo Headset ? Regarding Bluetooth File Transfers....I'm better off without it..atleast people don't keep bothering me to send this and that....
Its not only invention, its innovation ! iPhone's changed the way we used Mobiles. All future phones are surely gonna be based on Touch based inputs with tactile feedback ! Even the new Nokia S60s are are full too copy cat of the iPhones innovative Input Based methods.
@goobimama : You RBG (Rang badloo Girgit) Surely you're not using your iPhone to its full potential. There are plenty of really fun applications and games which other phones can never mimic ! Like the iPhysics or AirHockey......seriously considering the Official SDK is not out yet and still you get to see so many cool apps...just think what'll happen in a couple of months when the actual SDK releases !
iMav said:
Now here we go again...it'll be better if you go through atleast the previous page thoroughly, Im not gonna explain you separately the Features of the iPhone now available all over again !! I already said iPhone SUPPORTS SMS FORWARDING and soon VIDEO along with Ringtones, YouTube, Instant Messengers, VOIP Application, Direct Uploads to Flickr, Custom Themes, GPS Support (via an external device which costs ~89$), !
Regarding A2DP....well tell me this...how many of you here actually own a Bluetooth Stereo Headset ? Regarding Bluetooth File Transfers....I'm better off without it..atleast people don't keep bothering me to send this and that....
iMav said:
Its not only invention, its innovation ! iPhone's changed the way we used Mobiles. All future phones are surely gonna be based on Touch based inputs with tactile feedback ! Even the new Nokia S60s are are full too copy cat of the iPhones innovative Input Based methods.
@goobimama : You RBG (Rang badloo Girgit)
Surely you're not using your iPhone to its full potential. There are plenty of really fun applications and games which other phones can never mimic ! Like the iPhysics or AirHockey......seriously considering the Official SDK is not out yet and still you get to see so many cool apps...just think what'll happen in a couple of months when the actual SDK releases !
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