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i was wondering how deep a modern day probe will go and how long will it survive if they are to be sent descending on those gas planets. we must know whats inside after all.....

on the side note, those russian probes managed couple of hours on venus surface in 70-80s.

The probe Galileo had dropped a probe down to Jupiter, it sent back some data before being destroyed by increasing pressure.

In case anyone is curious about the core of gas giants, I believe that they provably have a solid core since you need a rotating solid core in order to generate a gravitation field.
 

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yup. and juno's on the way, passed earth last month or so on its way to jupiter.

meanwhile, chang'e 3 mooner landing successful.



landing video made up from stills :

*planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/3-moon/20131214_Chang_e3_landing.gif

with modern techs and computers, interplanetary explorations are becoming like cakewalk as it seems. :doublethumb:
 

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right click -> full image .....

*planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/charts-diagrams/20131218_mars-exploration-family-portrait-V04-tps-cropped.png
 
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lander separation video from moon, in case anyone missed :


Amazing. These guys are providing video to prove that they were there.

I don't know why there are no videos of India's moon mission or for that matter the Mars mission, but we will have to wait for the probe to reach Mars first.
 

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Good articles from io9


The Objects in Space That We Really, Really Can't Explain

Behold the Boötes void, the spookiest place in the cosmos
 
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Scientists find the oldest star in the universe.

Source : ANU astronomers discover oldest star - News & events - ANU

A team led by astronomers at The Australian National University has discovered the oldest known star in the Universe, which formed shortly after the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

The discovery has allowed astronomers for the first time to study the chemistry of the first stars, giving scientists a clearer idea of what the Universe was like in its infancy.

“This is the first time that we’ve been able to unambiguously say that we’ve found the chemical fingerprint of a first star,” said lead researcher, Dr Stefan Keller of the ANU Research School of Astronomy and Astrophysics.

“This is one of the first steps in understanding what those first stars were like. What this star has enabled us to do is record the fingerprint of those first stars.”

The star was discovered using the ANU SkyMapper telescope at the Siding Spring Observatory, which is searching for ancient stars as it conducts a five-year project to produce the first digital map the southern sky.

The ancient star is around 6,000 light years from Earth, which Dr Keller says is relatively close in astronomical terms. It is one of the 60 million stars photographed by SkyMapper in its first year.

“The stars we are finding number one in a million,” says team member Professor Mike Bessell, who worked with Keller on the research.

“Finding such needles in a haystack is possible thanks to the ANU SkyMapper telescope that is unique in its ability to find stars with low iron from their colour.”

Dr Keller and Professor Bessell confirmed the discovery using the Magellan telescope in Chile.

The composition of the newly discovered star shows it formed in the wake of a primordial star, which had a mass 60 times that of our Sun.

“To make a star like our Sun, you take the basic ingredients of hydrogen and helium from the Big Bang and add an enormous amount of iron – the equivalent of about 1,000 times the Earth’s mass,” Dr Keller says.

“To make this ancient star, you need no more than an Australia-sized asteroid of iron and lots of carbon. It’s a very different recipe that tells us a lot about the nature of the first stars and how they died.”

Dr Keller says it was previously thought that primordial stars died in extremely violent explosions which polluted huge volumes of space with iron. But the ancient star shows signs of pollution with lighter elements such as carbon and magnesium, and no sign of pollution with iron.

“This indicates the primordial star’s supernova explosion was of surprisingly low energy. Although sufficient to disintegrate the primordial star, almost all of the heavy elements such as iron, were consumed by a black hole that formed at the heart of the explosion,” he says.

The result may resolve a long-standing discrepancy between observations and predictions of the Big Bang.

The discovery was published in the latest edition of the journal Nature.
 

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New theory posits that there was no Big Bang
In a paper posted on the arXiv preprint server1, Christof Wetterich, a theoretical physicist at the University of Heidelberg in Germany, has devised a different cosmology in which the Universe is not expanding but the mass of everything has been increasing. Such an interpretation could help physicists to understand problematic issues such as the so-called singularity present at the Big Bang, he says.

Cosmologist claims Universe may not be expanding : Nature News & Comment
 
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China loses its moon rover. Cannot bring it to full functionality.

Loss of lunar rover - Headlines, features, photo and videos from ecns.cn|china|news|chinanews|ecns|cns

For some reason, I am not surprised.
 

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China loses its moon rover. Cannot bring it to full functionality.

Loss of lunar rover - Headlines, features, photo and videos from ecns.cn|china|news|chinanews|ecns|cns

For some reason, I am not surprised.

I read it left a touchy note before it went offline. i posted the same somewhere in off-topic section.
 

doomgiver

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Good articles from io9
The Objects in Space That We Really, Really Can't Explain
Behold the Boötes void, the spookiest place in the cosmos
io9 and its sister sites are totally into sensationalism. i'd stay away from them if you want a "serious" read on any topic.

These are white dwarfs that are in an extremely close orbit around their companions — so close, in fact, that they are stripping the other star of all its gas. "The particularly odd thing about these objects is that white dwarfs are the cores of red giants, and the companion stars orbit so close that they must have once been deep inside the red giant!"
SUPERGENIUSES!!!!
do they not know that stars BLEEDING EXPAND when they get to red giant stage? our sun itself will expand to cover planets upto mars. breaking io9 story from AD 3,000,000,014 : OH MY GOOD, DID YOU KNOW, EARTH WAS ONCE INSIDE THE SUN?!?!?!?!?!

and the Bootes void theory :
compare this to a headline that reads like this :
"BREAKING NEWS!!! : spooky voids found in FOAM!!!"
well, DUH, foam IS 90% air. what did you expect?

did you know that there are clusters in the universe so dense that they look like one solid source? is this spooky as well?
i effing HATE these sites, which spread FUD. they are worse than microsoft, they are maligning science itself.

Scientists find the oldest star in the universe.

Source : ANU astronomers discover oldest star - News & events - ANU

i call bull$hit. 6k lightyears away? nope. to find the oldest stars, you look in the "halo" regions of the galaxy, around ~20-40k lightyears away.
its just too close to be that old.
 

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src for the "earliest star" ANU news *www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12990.html
the story is they found a star with no iron and that means it was a second generation star formed after the explosion of just one supernova. sure it could have been potentially formed the day before the astronomers looked at it, but it was formed from the remnants of a single and one of the very early supernovae.

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remember reading story long ago where iO9 explained planets surviving the red giant phase of their parent stars.
 
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io9 and its sister sites are totally into sensationalism. i'd stay away from them if you want a "serious" read on any topic..

I did not know that. I'll have to be careful. I assumed that they were speaking about white dwarfs or black dwarfs when they said stars.

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src for the "earliest star" ANU news *www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12990.html
the story is they found a star with no iron and that means it was a second generation star formed after the explosion of just one supernova. sure it could have been potentially formed the day before the astronomers looked at it, but it was formed from the remnants of a single and one of the very early supernovae.

A day before the astronomers found it? If the star is 6k light years away like the article says, it would take 6k years for the effects of it to reach earth, so I don't think its possible that the supernova was formed just one day before the astronomers found it.

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remember reading story long ago where iO9 explained planets surviving the red giant phase of their parent stars.

They could survive, but the temperature would be so high that the oceans would evaporate and all life would be lost.

Also, when the Red Giant phase ends, the star would shrink and its temperature would lower, causing a extreme freeze period. Therefore, the only organisms that would survive will probably be such microorganisms as the water bears.
 

doomgiver

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finding a 2nd generation star so close, either they got the distance wrong, or this is truly a massive find.

^ lol at water bears :D
 
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Finally the mystery rock of Mars gets an explanation.

NASA solves mystery of jelly doughnut-shaped rock on Mars | Ars Technica
 

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NASA Announces Discovery of First Earth-Size Planet With Potential for Life

NASA discovers Earth-sized planet that could be habitable

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io9 and its sister sites are totally into sensationalism. i'd stay away from them if you want a "serious" read on any topic.


SUPERGENIUSES!!!!
do they not know that stars BLEEDING EXPAND when they get to red giant stage? our sun itself will expand to cover planets upto mars. breaking io9 story from AD 3,000,000,014 : OH MY GOOD, DID YOU KNOW, EARTH WAS ONCE INSIDE THE SUN?!?!?!?!?!

and the Bootes void theory :
compare this to a headline that reads like this :
"BREAKING NEWS!!! : spooky voids found in FOAM!!!"
well, DUH, foam IS 90% air. what did you expect?

did you know that there are clusters in the universe so dense that they look like one solid source? is this spooky as well?
i effing HATE these sites, which spread FUD. they are worse than microsoft, they are maligning science itself.



i call bull$hit. 6k lightyears away? nope. to find the oldest stars, you look in the "halo" regions of the galaxy, around ~20-40k lightyears away.
its just too close to be that old.

Please name a few reliable good sources. :)
 

doomgiver

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me :D

but seriously, 99% of the time any website says something like "New 'X' found!!! All old knowledge is useless!!! This will change everything!!!", its only doing it to get more clicks, and has only re-hashed the "real" news to make it sound more interesting.

just use common sense.

*www.astronomy.com/
*www.nature.com/
*www.skyandtelescope.com/
*www.jpl.nasa.gov/ <---- jpl is fricken badass

*www.polaris.iastate.edu/AstroWebSites.html more sources.

most of these sites carry research papers, mostly dealing with the cutting edge science, but depending on how much you know, they can either be very useful or totally useless.

or just subscribe to the relevant sub-reddits.
 
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JPL has one of the most well designed and comprehensive websites I have seen regarding astronomy.
 
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