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naveen_reloaded

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Hi all.. ;)


Many users here have some kinda expirience in shares / mutual fund / investment/stocks etc...

So here is the centralised thread where everyone can talk/share/discuss about the ongoing news/update in the world of shares...

now is the time..

lets start ... from here ...

how much do u know ??:idea:
how much do u not know ?:idea:

ask here / share here / everyting regarding money...:)
 
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naveen_reloaded

naveen_reloaded

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i think u should be needing a demat account...

hope someone here who knows these stuff .. reply..

anyone out there ???
 

esumitkumar

Call me Sumit
a similar thread was started some mnths back "traders thread" but it died :(
for all newbies : go to investopedia.com and start learning thr ...after reading that ...u can ask any question.....all ur qs all welcome :)
 

enticer86

Stay Silent!
can anyone explain how mutual share work in layman terms>????

p.s please do contribute...
Well am not goin into the technical details here, but primarily a what happens is:
1. Asset Management Company(AMC) like Reliance Capital, DSP etc. pools funds from small investors like us
2. AMCs have professionals that invest after analysing the stocks on the bases such as Fundamentals and Technicals.. they normaly do NOT factor in the Sentiments.
3. Their NAV is an indicator of how the fund is doing.

Normally, MFs are supposed to be safer than dealing in the equities yourself, if you are a n00b in the market.



what is mutual shares

AFAIK Mutual Shares is a Fund floated by Franklin Templeton Investments.



How to invest money in share market.
You can do it in 3 ways now:
1. Primary Market, ie investing thru IPOs
2. Secondary Market, ie investing thru the stock exchange
3. Investing thru Mutual Funds [see above]


anyone out there ???

Main Hoon Na :)
 

enticer86

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^^ lets make this one sticky.. This wud be stupid fr a tech forum, but if this is done then this forum wud be a One-Stop-Solution types...
 
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naveen_reloaded

naveen_reloaded

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agree.. ithink today more people are investing in share / MF`s..

its like a business.. and why isthis in tech forumm well.. with online banking and trade.. i think tech plays a important base here ..

i know few offices which rely entirely on net for the share market updates each second...

anyway nice to see people sharing thier knowledge..

let this be stickied...

ok guys here is my wuestion .. my mom invested( since i rquested her to do)
in reliance MF .. natural resource started in jan..

is it a safe bet..??? is it worth??
 

manistar

Broken In
i don know about the mutual funds as i know shares. but as of now... sbi leads in mutual funds... also check the mutual funds provided by DSP meryll.. it also depends on wat purpose u r gonna invest in mutual funds.. and wen u need the returns... most of mutual funds beefit u only in long run.. so see the past performance of any fund before investing... also look into SIP(systematic invest plan) in which u invest a fixed amount every month is best now... reliance diversified power fund is picking up now...


and there is share called reliance natural resourses it is available now at reasonable price... and its better to get that...

caution: in shares get ideas from all but decision shud be urs and don look for profit... jus try to learn from ur mistakes... read books like outllok money which provided intresting review about shares and mutual funds... look into outlookmoney.com for reference... u can also open a portfolio at moneycontrol.com.. as a trial before actually buying shares...
 

manistar

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Introduction
In Indian Scenario, Mutual Fund is a corporate body registered with SEBI (Securities Exchange Board of India) that pools money from individuals/corporate investors and invests the same in a variety of different financial instruments or securities such as equity shares, Government securities, Bonds, debentures etc. Mutual funds can thus be considered as financial intermediaries in the investment business that collect funds from the public and invest on behalf of the investors.

The fund performance depends on
1) Type of the funds
2) Investment objective of the fund
3) Current financial market conditions

The most common performance measures of the fund are
1) Change in Net Asset Value (NAV)
2) Total Return
3) Total Return with dividend reinvested at NAV
4) Expense Ratio
5) Income Ratio
6) Portfolio turnover Rate
7) Transaction Cost
8) Fund Size
9) Cash Holdings
10) Borrowing by Mutual Funds







1) Change in NAV

The price or value of one unit of a fund. It is calculated by summing the current market values of all securities held by the fund, adding in cash and any accrued income, then subtracting liabilities and dividing the result by the number of units outstanding.

NAV or Net Asset Value of the fund is the cumulative market value of the assets of the fund net of its liabilities. Buying and selling into funds are done on the basis of NAV-related prices.

For NAV change in percentage terms
Formula is
(Absolute change in NAV/ NAV at beginning) * 100

If period cover is less or more than one year annualized NAV change is given as
(((Absolute change in NAV/ NAV at beginning)/ Months covered)*12)*100)

Example
NAV at beginning = Rs50. NAV after 10 months =Rs60
Therefore annualized NAV change is ((((60-50)/50)/10) *12)*100 = 24%

Limitations- It does not take in to account the dividend distributed by the fund to investors in the interim period.


2) Total Return

This method corrects the limitations of the NAV change measure.
Formula for total return is
((Distributions + Change in NAV) / NAV at beginning)*100

Example
NAV at beginning = Rs50. NAV after 1Year =Rs60.
Interim dividend distribution Rs5 per unit.
Therefore total return at year end - ((5+ (60-50))/50)*100=30%

Limitation- This method ignores the fact the distributed dividends also get reinvested if received during the year.


3) Total Return with dividend reinvested at NAV

Total return with reinvestment is a measure of cumulative wealth accumulation.
Formula is
((((1+div/ex-dNAV)*endNAV) - begin NAV)/begin NAV) *100

Example
Investor purchased one unit at Rs50 per unit. NAV after 1Year = Rs60. Interim dividend distribution Rs5 per unit when NAV was Rs55. The distribution of Rs5 was reinvested in the fund at Rs55 per unit, giving the investor 5/55 = 0.09 unit, making his total holding 1.09 units.
Therefore the actual return at year end (65.4-50)/50 *100= 30.8%.
Note that this is higher than simple total return of 30% calculated by the previous method.

While computing these returns the following points need to be taken care of

1) Effect of loads – The above examples assume no load funds. In reality the investment amount will be lower if there is an entry load. Therefore the investor’s return has to be reduced by the initial load paid.
2) Time period -While computing the returns it is imperative to use the performance data over the same time period for two different funds.


4) Expense Ratio

Expense Ratio is an indicator of funds efficiency and cost effectiveness .It is defined as a ratio of total expenses to average net assets of the fund.

For example funds with small corpus size will have a higher expense ratio affecting investor returns than a large corpus fund.


5) Income Ratio

A Fund’s Income Ratio is defined as its net investment income divided by its net assets for the period.

The ratio is a useful measure for evaluating income–oriented funds, particularly debt funds. It is not recommended for funds that concentrate primarily on capital appreciation.


6) Portfolio Turnover Rate

Portfolio Turnover Rate measures the amount of buying and selling of securities done by a fund. It is defined as the lesser of asset purchased or sold divided by the fund’s net assets.

This percentage is a good indicator of the extent to which the fund is active in market deals. However high turnover rate indicates high transaction cost charged to the fund.

High turnover rate does not necessarily mean greater efficiency and for newly launched schemes that are not yet fully invested, it is not meaningful to use the turnover rate.


7) Transaction Costs

Transaction costs include all expenses related to trading such as brokerage commissions paid, stamp duty on transfers, registrars’ fees and custodians’ fees. Therefore transaction cost has a significant bearing on fund performance and its total return.


8) Fund size

Small fund are easier to maneuver and can achieve its objectives in a focused manner. Large funds gain through greater risk bearing and management capacity.


9) Cash Holdings

The percentage of a fund’s portfolio held in cash can be an important element in its successful performance. Large cash holding increases a fund’s liquidity, cushions it’s against decline of market prices of shares and bonds and guard against large, consistent net redemptions. But large cash reserves lower the return on the portfolio.


10) Borrowing by Mutual Funds

Borrowing enhances per unit earnings and this strategy holds good when interest rates are not very high. In general, in India, Mutual Funds are not allowed to borrow to increase their corpus.

SEBI Regulations allow Mutual Funds to borrow only for the purpose of meeting temporary liquidity needs for a period of not more than six months and to the extent of 20 percent of its net assets.



Criteria for peer group comparison

Only funds with similar characteristics can be compared .Some important criteria for fund comparison are

a) The investment objectives and risk profiles – Two funds having the same investment objectives and risk profiles should be compared. For example it will not be appropriate to compare an equity fund with a debt fund because the former target growths and high capital gains, whereas the later is meant for risk-averse investor and focuses on regular income.

b) Portfolio composition -Portfolio composition of two funds should be similar. For example, a government securities fund can not be compared with another scheme that invests in riskier corporate debt.

c) The credit quality and maturity profile - For two debt funds credit quality as indicated by percentage of investment made in instruments with different ratings should be similar and the average maturity period should also be similar.

d) Fund size - It is advisable to keep fund size in mind and compare two funds of the same size. Big funds have greater diversification benefits such as risk sharing, while small funds are easier to manage for quick adjustments.

e) Expense ratio- Funds performance can be impacted with high and low expense ratio.

Even for two funds with similar characteristics as specified above, there returns must be calculated on a comparable basis. Hence,

1. Returns of two funds should be compared over the same periods only
2. Only average annualized compound returns are comparable.
3. Only after–tax returns of two different schemes should be compared.



Evaluating the Fund Manager/Asset Management Company

The investor must evaluate the fund manager’s track record. Good fund managers have the following characteristics.

1. Operate with a long term perspective
2. Do not sacrifice investor value by excessive trading which generates high level of transaction costs.
3. Turn out more consistent performance
4. At least match major market indices
5. Able to sustain bearish market phases better than other funds

An external credit rating agency – CRISIL – provides a FUND MANAGEMENT PRACTICE RATING on overall fund management quality and best practices followed by an Asset Management Company.

References: information collected from newspapers articles and materials from various websites. merely its a collection and not my work.. i jus collected and presented it.. i framed this for my publication in my college magazine but i didnt publised it... sorry i cudnt remb the websites i searched that time... before 10 months





i think my thread went much in depth.. i ll make it simple wen i gets time..
 
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esumitkumar

Call me Sumit
ok .. which has quick money with reasonable safety???
biggest mistake nooobs do ..share mkt isnt a make quick bucks n run away mkt...try to analyze the things first and see how much money can u invest safely widout risking ur daily life .........

start reading ET and keep a eye on commentary by rediff stocks ....

and first start learning by investopedia :)
 

enticer86

Stay Silent!
ok guys here is my wuestion .. my mom invested( since i rquested her to do)
in reliance MF .. natural resource started in jan..

is it a safe bet..??? is it worth??

I invested in that as well.. and its a gud well... See in the context of Indian Economy, any industry with a reasonable growth potential is normally a safe bet.

i don know about the mutual funds as i know shares. but as of now... sbi leads in mutual funds... also check the mutual funds provided by DSP meryll.. it also depends on wat purpose u r gonna invest in mutual funds.. and wen u need the returns... most of mutual funds beefit u only in long run.. so see the past performance of any fund before investing... also look into SIP(systematic invest plan) in which u invest a fixed amount every month is best now... reliance diversified power fund is picking up now...


and there is share called reliance natural resourses it is available now at reasonable price... and its better to get that...

caution: in shares get ideas from all but decision shud be urs and don look for profit... jus try to learn from ur mistakes... read books like outllok money which provided intresting review about shares and mutual funds... look into outlookmoney.com for reference... u can also open a portfolio at moneycontrol.com.. as a trial before actually buying shares...

Sorry but I have a few contradictions:

1. Reliance Nat. Res. Fund is not available in market... its not even listed yet!
2. One can NOT learn from mistakes in this field... You said you know abt shares well- how come you don't know abt the "Random Walk Theory" ?? :confused:
3. Reading books can only give the basic information, for proper trading you need to gain practical exposure which comes ONLY after sitting in front of the terminal.
4. Pls, do not confuse between and "investor" and a "trader".
ok .. which has quick money with reasonable safety???

any suggestion for noobs in this field>???

Try Infrastructure then...

biggest mistake nooobs do ..share mkt isnt a make quick bucks n run away mkt...try to analyze the things first and see how much money can u invest safely widout risking ur daily life .........

start reading ET and keep a eye on commentary by rediff stocks ....

and first start learning by investopedia :)

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naveen_reloaded

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now we are talking ...
thnks manistar.... thats was great...those 30% , 24 % are profit u get if u invest on each share ??? am i right>???
 

victor_rambo

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+1
And It wd not be wise to enter the market now.. It is too volatile. many newbies got killed.
ha ha,
BTW Pathik, did you see the investors morcha ar SEBI office few days after Rel Power IPO? I had a hearty laugh! Those noobs knew nothing of stocks and were creating a fuss. They were demanding inquiry of how the share took such a beating within 1 minute of listing. I think it was covered on Zee Business!
 
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