Richard Gere's Kiss to Shilpa Shetty issue blown out of proportions?

[cooldivya]

The conservative indian culture smack at aids. Richard Gere took a smack at conservative indian culture, that too with an indian girl. the lawyer instead of ignoring the smack played into the hands of those forces that intend to attack conservative indian culture. the media not surprisingly, briliantly ads to the damage

 

[navjotjsingh]

A third case now...BAh....when will people stop.

Aishwarya Rai and Hrithik Roshan have been summoned to present in Court by 30 may for their alleged Dhoom2 Kissing Scene!

Commeon...what's happening now? This is too much.

 

[Kiran.dks]

Was not finding enough time to reply to your long post..Anyways here I go now...

But then, going by your logic, which is defining the terms of civility in terms of kids, there are so many pertinent matters, other than public display, or perhaps within the realms of public display, that can't be allowed, and i am not even talking of "sex education", Bollywood, Hollywood or trash on TV.

First of all, tell me what'z the big deal in my logic? Well, I think the term logic itself is misleading in this context. I said that we the citizens should learn how to behave in public. There is nothing much to think about it.

You can't relate my one quote about act in public to things totally out of the box. But still I will comment on your quotes.

1. There should not be any Aids awareness debate on any public platform,like TV, which our kids are exposed to. Because it will lead to discussions relating to safe "sex", use of "contraceptives", use of "condoms" and a huge probability of our kids asking us all sorts of embarrassing questions.

There is no question for embarrassment here. Infact I would educate him more on AIDS and it's deadly effects. No problems for me at all.

2. A company should not advertise any of the feminine products or contraceptives or condoms on TV, because, again the kids will ask questions, which, will leave us with nothing to hide our face with.

That is the reason why you have censor board involved in it. You will never see these adds in Cartoon Network or any such Kids specific channels. Regarding other channels, even censor board is thinking how to tackle this issue.

3. News channels can't report on rapes and other sexual atrocities against women, neither can they discuss these issues, because, once again, kids might ask embarrassing questions.

Very true. There has been a lot amount of talk involving this. T.V channels are making it more sensational in the name of journalism, to which no one can do anything about it. The solution still unknown or will never be known.

4. The beautiful temples at Khajurao and Konark should be demolished because, explicit sexual postures have been used as various metaphors and is enough to raise a question or two from our little ones.

These sculptures doesn't portray vulgarity. It signifies openness and purity.

If anybody tells me, like that kid in the judge's chair in Jaipur,that Gere's act was one of sexual stimulation, well, i will be tempted to put a question mark on his maturity.

Ugh! Sexual stimulation? You seem to be kidding right? It not about sex. It's about Indian Women values, Indian Culture and tradition.

To ur beloved, of course. If i like someone, or love, why can't i show her my affection in public place, of course, if she does not find it offensive.

I am not speaking about affection. I am speaking about the obscene foreplay.

U have got to be kidding me. Seems like a quote from "Mien Kampf". If Rammohan Roy decided that in time the "tradition" of "Sati" will die a natural death, then perhaps ,it would have by now, but only after claiming millions of widows. Same with “child marriage”, “multiple marriages” etc. And how will it "change", if instead of attempting to change it, follow it blindfolded ? Perhaps through divine intervention.

What and all you are involving here? No point in deviating from the topic. When I said tradition, it doesn't mean everything. Old silly things like Sati system, child marriage are discussed many times in school. I am fed up of all those stupid things and in no mood to discuss it further.

There will be lessons learnt, all right, but whether its about - "how to behave in Indian soil", a soil that breeds halfwits by hordes, or "why, not to take Indians seriously, Indians, who are nothing but a bunch of bigots, that spend half their energy, time and resource to criminalize a kisser, with a we-have-solved-all-our-problems-and-this-is-the-only-preblem-left attitude" - is something that remains to be seen.

Ahem...Your perception? Left to you.

And i wonder why i have wasted 10 min to write this post.

I found hard to get this 10 min for reply to you.

We really need to grow up.

Exclude some.

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A third case now...BAh....when will people stop.
Aishwarya Rai and Hrithik Roshan have been summoned to present in Court by 30 may for their alleged Dhoom2 Kissing Scene!
Commeon...what's happening now? This is too much.

The case is filed by an advocate 'Shailendra Dwivedi' from Indore.

He says that the movie is inappropriately rated as U/A. The scene is obsene to be watched by childrens. Hence atleast should have been rated as 'A'

Rubbish! This kind of senseless things brings everything in bad-light. Our lawyer seems like not understanding the difference between 'U' and 'U/A' rated movies. Becoz of one kissing scene, it can't be rated as 'A'. It is appropriately rated as 'U/A' (Under Adult Supervison). The best solution would be rather to teach him about the rating system in movies. Put him in a theatre and show him all grades of movies! This clearly is a publicity stunt. I think he dreamt of seeing Hritik and Aish in real.

 

[virus_killer]

@kiran_Tech_Mania

Have you looked at the poll result ?? majority of guys are with second opinion, media is just blowing the issue nothing else.

 

[ssk_the_gr8]

richard gere will defenitely never make the mistake of coming to india ever again

yup ..... & if shilpa doesn't have a problem why do others have????

 

[chesss]

These sculptures doesn't portray vulgarity. It signifies openness and purity.

openness and purity??.... lol

*upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Khajurahosculpture.jpg
To mods: This ultra-pure image is from India's spirituality hub, khajuraho. If you delete it prepare for some heat from VHP, RSS etc for disrespecting Indian culture . Ok, just kidding, if its too explicit I am sorry

 

[karnivore]

^^ Bravo man. U have hit the nail, where it hurts the most

 

[navjotjsingh]

PS: any1 has the VID ? ....... link plz ........

See here: *youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+shilpa&search=Search

Lots of videos for it. View any one which you like.

 

[Kiran.dks]

openness and purity??.... lol

To mods: This ultra-pure image is from India's spirituality hub, khajuraho. If you delete it prepare for some heat from VHP, RSS etc for disrespecting Indian culture . Ok, just kidding, if its too explicit I am sorry

Got some life! You have not seen the world. Go to Tamil Nadu and have a sneak in into some temples. You get more to see there. If you still feel that these are all vulgar, go & file a complaint to demolish such sculptures. I would be happy to see where you end up. It depends upon the way you see it. It's totally non-sense to centralize what I said to everything. Use some common sense.

You can't relate my one quote about act in public to things totally out of the box.

This is what I said already. Understand it.

^^ Bravo man. U have hit the nail, where it hurts the most

Over sarcastic for no reason.

 

[karnivore]

First of all, tell me what'z the big deal in my logic? Well, I think the term logic itself is misleading in this context. I said that we the citizens should learn how to behave in public. There is nothing much to think about it.

Thats exactly what i am trying to say. Theres no deal in it.
BTW, who decides what is good public behaviour, and what will be the yardstick ?

You can't relate my one quote about act in public to things totally out of the box.

Well, its what u think, and u r most welcome. And if thinking out of box means, being irrational, i would rather stay in the box. Thank u very much. BTW, why is it necessary to go out of the way to think out of the box when the solution is right there in the box ? May be it is a matter of convenient blindness. Or perhaps its just for the sake of thinking out of the box.
Anyway, the reason why stated those "in the box" issues is :
[QUOTE]....but the point i am trying to make is that parameters of a modern civil society, though very much inclusive of kids, does not depend on their reactions, but on our understanding of “acceptability"[/QUOTE]

There is no question for embarrassment here. Infact I would educate him more on AIDS and it's deadly effects. No problems for me at all.

Good for your kids. No argument there.

That is the reason why you have censor board involved in it. You will never see these adds in Cartoon Network or any such Kids specific channels. Regarding other channels, even censor board is thinking how to tackle this issue.

More than the censor board, its the question of “Marketing”. The products i mentioned are not targeted at kids but adults. Choosing a kid's channel to publicize these wares, would be a waste of money and time. I wonder if any the company, trading in such products, even think of using these channels.

Very true. There has been a lot amount of talk involving this. T.V channels are making it more sensational in the name of journalism, to which no one can do anything about it. The solution still unknown or will never be known.

Agreed. But the debate in this case is not "if" but "what and how much".

These sculptures doesn't portray vulgarity. It signifies openness and purity.

My purpose of mentioning these temples was, obviously, not for discussing the aesthetics, but the general uneasiness that one feels in the company of kids, while visiting these places.

Over sarcastic for no reason.

Once again,

.....hit the nail, where it hurts the most

Ugh! Sexual stimulation? You seem to be kidding right? It not about sex.

If my memory serves me right, then the petition was accepted by that imbecile because he found it "HIGHLY SEXUALLY EROTIC"

It's about Indian Women values....

You have a nice sense of humour. Let me ask a simple question. How on earth are the "Indian Women Values", desecrated by a matured man in Gere, kissing another matured, consenting woman in Shilpa, as a show of affection ? Exactly what is the sacrilege here ?

.....Indian Culture and tradition

Back to square 1. U do like chasing your own tail, don't u.

I am not speaking about affection. I am speaking about the obscene foreplay.

It seems the judge is not the lone member of his club. And in that case, i rest my case. Besides, this is what i said in my earlier post:

I am obviously not talking of this kind of display. I am talking of display of love/liking, not display of foreplay

What and all you are involving here? No point in deviating from the topic.

U chose to vilify the Shilpa-Gere act in the name of "culture" and "tradition", but at the same time, u would not let anyone give arguments against those very "basis". Then whats the point of this debate anyway.

When I said tradition, it doesn't mean everything.

So you admit, that we CAN "ignore" some of "the current values and traditions" according to our choice and that NOT ALL "Traditions are made to respect and that's how it should" NOT ALWAYS "be". If Shilpa-Gere chose to "ignore" one "tradition", then why r u feeling the kick in your balls. Once again i rest my case.

Ahem...Your perception? Left to you

So it is, and is shared by all sane people in India.

I found hard to get this 10 min for reply to you

I feel honoured, that u finally found some time.

Exclude some.

U did not have to remind me. I had already excluded u.

 

[Yamaraj]

^^ Bravo man. U have hit the nail, where it hurts the most

I have to disagree. That was the culture and tradition of that time. Only because humans wandered across continents wearing nothing and eating raw meat, doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to follow the same today.

But, I agree with the point that media always blows such things out of proportions. This is the reason I haven't voted here yet.

 

[chesss]

Got some life! You have not seen the world. Go to Tamil Nadu and have a sneak in into some temples. You get more to see there. If you still feel that these are all vulgar, go & file a complaint to demolish such sculptures. I would be happy to see where you end up. It depends upon the way you see it. It's totally non-sense to centralize what I said to everything. Use some common sense.

Down to personal insults already?? I guess I did hit where it hurts most
Eell sorry to disappoint you but I don't debate with hypocrites . Bye!!

That was the culture and tradition of that time. Only because humans wandered across continents wearing nothing and eating raw meat, doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to follow the same today.

When did I say that just because humans wandered across continents wearing nothing and eating raw meat, it means socially acceptable to follow the same today?? Did I??
My point is that if someone doesn't find explicit sex scenes sculpted all over the place vulgar, how can he or she find a lil kiss unacceptable???

 

[Kiran.dks]

I have to disagree. That was the culture and tradition of that time. Only because humans wandered across continents wearing nothing and eating raw meat, doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to follow the same today.

But, I agree with the point that media always blows such things out of proportions. This is the reason I haven't voted here yet.

Well, you do have the 2nd option to vote. "Media is blowing it out of proportions".

Down to personal insults already?? I guess I did hit where it hurts most
Eell sorry to disappoint you but I don't debate with hypocrites . Bye!!

It seems like the easiest way to get away is to name anything as 'personal insults' and run away . Anyways, if you think so, bye..

My point is that if someone doesn't find explicit sex scenes sculpted all over the place vulgar, how can he or she find a lil kiss unacceptable???

This is where one needs some common sense (Now don't think this is a insult!). How are you relating both? One is happening now and the other are some precious historical remains. You won't see any explicit nude banners anywhere in public becoz it's illegal. I can't even think of the comparison, Ugh....pointless to debate.

 

[chesss]

How are you relating both? One is happening now and the other are some precious historical remains.

So according to you anything that is historical signifies purity, no matter what the content?
and note that I am not corncerned with what is happening now. I am not relating the two. I am talking about the 'someone' who claims that sexual positions in khajuraho are pure while a kiss is vulgar. Learn to read first.


The correct answer to the initial question by karnivore about khajuraho should have been
'that children can't understand sexual positions of khajurahos' thats why they are okay.' They might ask a question or two probably won't be able to make any sense out of them.
Not because of purity and openness. That answer stank of hypocrasy.
As for me I couldn't care less what is vulgar or not.

 

[karnivore]

'..........that children can't understand sexual positions of khajurahos' thats why they are okay.' They might ask a question or two probably won't be able to make any sense out of them.

Yes mate. That's the answer i was expecting, but never got. And that leads to my contention, that u can't decide on the matter of social acceptability, on a kids reaction.

Anyway, at the end of the day it all boils down to your own point of view.

U didn't like the Shilpa-Gere act, fine, u have all the right not to, but please don't defend the acts of hooliganism and immaturity in the name of "culture" and "tradition". Thats all i am trying to say.

 

[akshaykapoor_3]

Well....I fail to understand that y is our indian community such that we have to discuss all these nonsense matters nd waste our time maaan !!...earlier dis news was aired n news channels...den papers nd nw we hav threads makin rounds..

ther is so much to learn, talk nd discuss .!..like in aish-abhi's wedding too, all news channels were showin d same clips again n again.. wats d use f dis..nd i'v seen people desperate to get a view f d wedding nd leave it aside...dey hav all d pics in dere mobiles as well...HORRIBLE !!!!!

grow up people..!

review on N95 wud hav been a better option den wastin ur time n dis...

INDIA IS GREAT !

 

[crack_head]

The conservative indian culture smack at aids. Richard Gere took a smack at conservative indian culture, that too with an indian girl. the lawyer instead of ignoring the smack played into the hands of those forces that intend to attack conservative indian culture. the media not surprisingly, briliantly ads to the damage

I somewhat agree with her...