Question about upgrading RAM .

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avichandana20000

avichandana20000

Cyborg Agent
Can you not just sell the Transcend and pick up a 4 GB (2x2GB) Corsair kit. It will be difficult to match those timings. I am always a stickler for "ram should be same company/model/density/speed/timings"...?

yes i also think so.

instead of selling i will keep my it as a TEST RAM.

and what is the price of CORSAIR 4GB? MODEL NO.?

in corsair site i found two types of ram given for amd phenomII class processors AND for my mobo model. so i get confused.
 
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Cool Buddy

Wise Old Owl
Can't the corsair 2x2GB kit be fitted in dual channel and the transcend remain where it is? I mean, 2 corsair's in the red slots and a transcend in the black slot? of course the whole 6 GB will have to be 1333 Mhz, but it will work right?
 

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
^^
No, he will loose the dual channel if he does the above. The memory controller cannot see the whole bunch of DIMMs as 'one' if there are three. Its either 2 or 4.

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Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Model : CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Speed : PC3-12800
Memory : 4GB Kit
Latency : 9-9-9-24
Package : 240pin DIMM

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INS-ANI

In the zone
Since ongoing discussion is about something i need to query.. let me shoot a question as well..
I have a inpiron 1420 and am using 667MHz DDR2 samsung RAM (2GB).. i am running it on 965 chipset plus C2D T5450.
Now all i want to know is:

1) what other Operating freq available in DDR2? 800 MHz is what i am aware of.. any faster ?
2) if i use a 667MHz Ram and a 800Mhz Ram, will it be an issue?
3) will my system support DDR3?
 
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avichandana20000

avichandana20000

Cyborg Agent
^^
No, he will loose the dual channel if he does the above. The memory controller cannot see the whole bunch of DIMMs as 'one' if there are three. Its either 2 or 4.

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Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Model : CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Speed : PC3-12800
Memory : 4GB Kit
Latency : 9-9-9-24
Package : 240pin DIMM

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THANKS.

well, i understand memory, package,model. but regarding speed i know it in Mhz then what is that PC3-12800 mean? and often i have seen this type of number given in the specification of RAM.

and

Latency is what?
 

Cool Buddy

Wise Old Owl
Since ongoing discussion is about something i need to query.. let me shoot a question as well..
I have a inpiron 1420 and am using 667MHz DDR2 samsung RAM (2GB).. i am running it on 965 chipset plus C2D T5450.
Now all i want to know is:

1) what other Operating freq available in DDR2? 800 MHz is what i am aware of.. any faster ?

Yes, 1066 Mhz is available, though not sure if 1066 Mhz laptop RAM is available or not. But your motherboard might not support it.

2) if i use a 667MHz Ram and a 800Mhz Ram, will it be an issue?

Yes, your system wil not be stable, you can only use separate modules of same frequency

3) will my system support DDR3?

no

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in PC3-12800, the 3 corresponds to DDR3. I don't know exacltly what the larger number denotes, but if you devide it by 8, you will get the RAM frequency. For example, PC3-12800 is 1600 Mhz DDR3 RAM.
Latency is a very complex prperty (at least for me). The only thing you really need to know is that the lower the better. For more information about latency you can read *en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDRAM_latency
 

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
THANKS.

well, i understand memory, package,model. but regarding speed i know it in Mhz then what is that PC3-12800 mean? and often i have seen this type of number given in the specification of RAM.

and

Latency is what?

DDR3-xxx denotes data transfer rate, and describes raw DDR chips, whereas PC3-xxxx denotes theoretical bandwidth (though it is often rounded up or down), and is used to describe assembled DIMMs. Bandwidth is calculated by taking transfers per second and multiplying by eight. This is because DDR3 memory modules transfer data on a bus that is 64 data bits wide, and since a byte comprises 8 bits, this equates to 8 bytes of data per transfer.


Ram Latencies are:
tCAS
The number of clock cycles needed to access a certain column of data in SDRAM. CAS latency, or simply CAS, is known as Column Address Strobe time, sometimes referred to as tCL.
tRCD (RAS to CAS Delay)
The number of clock cycles needed between a row address strobe (RAS) and a CAS. It is the time required between the computer defining the row and column of the given memory block and the actual read or write to that location. tRCD stands for Row address to Column address Delay time.
tRP (RAS Precharge)
The number of clock cycles needed to terminate access to an open row of memory, and open access to the next row. It stands for Row Precharge time.
tRAS (Row Active Time)
The minimum number of clock cycles needed to access a certain row of data in RAM between the data request and the precharge command. It's known as active to precharge delay. According to Mushkin, in practice for DDR SDRAM, this should be set to at least tRCD + tCAS + 2 to allow enough time for data to be streamed out.

Do remember that SDRAM is idle, and does not remain fixed in the banks. The controller has write it over and over again really quick, to able to retain it, so the CPU can use it. Its like an excel grid (rows/columns), which get filled left to right, top to bottom.
 
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avichandana20000

avichandana20000

Cyborg Agent
Ram Latencies are:
tCAS
The number of clock cycles needed to access a certain column of data in SDRAM. CAS latency, or simply CAS, is known as Column Address Strobe time, sometimes referred to as tCL.
tRCD (RAS to CAS Delay)
The number of clock cycles needed between a row address strobe (RAS) and a CAS. It is the time required between the computer defining the row and column of the given memory block and the actual read or write to that location. tRCD stands for Row address to Column address Delay time.
tRP (RAS Precharge)
The number of clock cycles needed to terminate access to an open row of memory, and open access to the next row. It stands for Row Precharge time.
tRAS (Row Active Time)
The minimum number of clock cycles needed to access a certain row of data in RAM between the data request and the precharge command. It's known as active to precharge delay. According to Mushkin, in practice for DDR SDRAM, this should be set to at least tRCD + tCAS + 2 to allow enough time for data to be streamed out.

Do remember that SDRAM is idle, and does not remain fixed in the banks. The controller has write it over and over again really quick, to able to retain it, so the CPU can use it. Its like an excel grid (rows/columns), which get filled left to right, top to bottom.

thanks for the xplanation. but since i do not have this level of knowledge many things go as a tangent.:mrgreen:
 

Cool Buddy

Wise Old Owl
I am not very much sure about laptops. Use a software like speccy to check the motherboard model number & check its details online. Or go to Dell's website & see if the details are available
 
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