Plz suggest: Config for HD movie editing+ Good gaming

[hansraj]

I am planning to make a new purchase as my P4 cannot be upgraded anymore (B.T.W its config is of 2003, p4 1.7 GHZ,Asrock PI45 GV mobo, 1.5 GB DDR, Radeon 9250 Graphic card 256 mb, 80+40 GB HD, Samsung DVD writer)
The rig is fine but dead as far as HD is concerned. Now i want to make a new system which should be futureproof for atleast 5 years. My job will be to edit and write HD movies(from the HD handycams) and of course a good gaming combo, both compulsory.

Also i am not very clear on one aspect that if i fit a good graphic card for gaming purpose, does it help anyway in video edting and rendering (not playback).

Ashu888 started a nice thread for his new purchase but my req is slightly different from him so i thought not to hijack his thread and start a new one.
request all suggestions....

 

[ashu888ashu888]

Hi hansraj,

well thanx tat u appreciated my thread..
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BUt my configuration (for the gaming PC is almost done) so i and many of the guys in my thread will help u in ur cause too..

wats ur budget ? (in my thread, i had set a budget of 70K, but it got shot up to 90K) but im notcomplaining,
as, im planning jus to make my CPU future proof, for atleast 2 years.. (esp. wen i upgrade to better gpus.. in SLi or even tri SLi)..
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So, tell ur budget and we all will help u buddy..

 

[hansraj]

My budget is around 45000 without including monitor, speakers and ups. So u can assume the cpu assembly in the above amount. I am planning to purchase the monitor later as i have plans to connect the lcd tv also when i feel like.

 

[ashu888ashu888]

^^

thanx for the budget.. will get back to u here with replies (And with many more ppl too..)
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Cheers n e-peace...

 

[hansraj]

looks like people around here are tired now to suggest few good rigs..... Is the budget so less that nothing worthwhile is possible.

 

[topgear]

AMD phenom2 920 Rs. 10800
Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H 9500
2x 2GB Transcend DDR2 800Mhz Ram Rs. 2500
MSI HD 4870 512MB DDR5 Rs. 12000
Corsair HX 650W PSU Rs. 6000
500GB Sata Seagate or WD HDD Rs. 2800
Samsung DVD RW Rs. 1100
Zebronics Bijli Cabby Rs. 1100

Total : 45800

 

[Psychosocial]

Yes, AMD Phenom II will be a good option here.

Phenom II 920 -- 11k
MSI K9A2 CF -- 6k
WD Caviar 640GB HDD -- 3.7k
2x2GB Transcend DDR2 800MHz RAM -- 2.5k
Palit HD4850 512MB GDDR3 -- 8.7k
Corsair 550W PSU -- 5.5k
LG H55n DVD-RW - 1.1k
Cooler Master Elite 330 cabinet -- 2k

 

[hansraj]

Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Now i have some doubts as i have two choices above.

1. Among the two mobos, Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H 9500 and MSI K9A2 CF, I feel that the latter one should be a better deal. Gigabyte is slightly higher priced for the reasons
a. Its providing Integrated HDMI/ DVI interface with HDCP and Patented DualBIOS with dual hardware BIOS protection which is not the case with MSI.
b. Gigabyte has Integrated ATI Radeon HD3300 graphics ,128MB DDR3 SidePort memory (which I dont think is going to help me at all when I am going for a dedicated graphic card.Correct me if I am wrong).
c. Gigabyte has ieee 1394 port, additional 2 sata II connectors. Again not much of use for me(MSI has optional Ieee 1394 but does this port has any future).
So i think MSI K9A2 CF should be a better deal ....kind of value for money (Actually there is no value for money in gadgets and fashion world... gets outdated too soon)

2. I have been a intel user for my desktop and laptop. So AMD will be new!!! On checking from the amd website( *products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?detailId=510&id=509&id=510 ) it brings out a point that the max temp for cpu is 62C. My laptop(C2D 2.00 GHz) has been touching 75 to 80 quite often so i wonder how will i control the temp of the desktop to 62 without the AC. Temp in Chandigarh can go quite high in summers upto 42C and also I remember people talking about overheating issues as far as AMD is concerned. I would request input from all those who have experienced such issues.

3. 2x2GB Transcend DDR2 800MHz RAM has been suggested , but do i have any choice of having RAM upto 1066 MHz. ( Why should i restrict .... is the restriction technical mismatch or non availability in the market)

4. HD 4870 looks better to me but confused which company to choose!!!! Please suggest.
5. Since I will be editing and messing around with HD movies, looks like 1 TB should be a better choice but I would keep the factor of Space/Cost on priority. So I wouldnt mind buying 2X500 Gb hard disks vis a vis 1 X 1TB hard disk if the former works out to be cheaper.

Atleast the rig has started forming up. Waiting for your inputs...

 

[Psychosocial]

HD4870 will be a blast. Go for the Palit HD4870 512MB GDDR5 OR IF you can afford, the Palit HD4870 1GB version . There is a sonic version available with a special cooler from Palit. All in all, Palit is the best company if you want a HD4870.

2x500GB HDDs will be cheap but they will consume more power, take up more space and dissipate more heat and thus a single HDD is recommanded over dual HDDs setup .

You can go for 1066MHz but you wont see much difference for the price you will pay so its better to stick with 800MHz RAM.

 

[hansraj]

Fine... single hard disk. A dealer here in chandigarh told me 1 TB WD HD will cost me Rs 5000-5500, so that seems ok.
As far as memory is concerned, then i will stick to 800Mhz ... but how much will be the cost difference for say 2 GB ram?

my bad luck ..... as of now no one has Phenom II 920. Its new to them and is likely to take 1 week to get in chandigarh (as per them).

 

[damngoodman999]

2GB 800Mhz kingston or transcend RAM => 1250/-

if u r going for palit HD 4870 sonic 512MB + AMD phenom 920 + 4GB RAM -----> its u can need for the gaming and movie editing / wonderful close ur eyes and buy it !!

 

[hansraj]

hey goodman.. looks like u r using AMD 9550. The amd website says 70C as the max temp for this proccy. Have u ever had temperature issues while playing or any ocassion when proccy is burdened.

 

[amitash]

amd cpu's run very cool and you get a very good stock heatsink so you will not face temp problems... And the palit 1gb hd4870 is 18k afaik...the msi one is a new version and its cheap so go for that.

 

[damngoodman999]

hey goodman.. looks like u r using AMD 9550. The amd website says 70C as the max temp for this proccy. Have u ever had temperature issues while playing or any ocassion when proccy is burdened.

AMD 9550 OCed to 2.6Ghz

idle temp is 43!de cel*

load temp is 63!de cel* final

it never exceeded the 63

 

[Psychosocial]

^Nice temps man .

Anyways, @hansraj... checkout lynx-india.com .. I heard they have the Phenom IIs in stock .

 

[topgear]

Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Now i have some doubts as i have two choices above.

1. Among the two mobos, Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H 9500 and MSI K9A2 CF, I feel that the latter one should be a better deal. Gigabyte is slightly higher priced for the reasons
a. Its providing Integrated HDMI/ DVI interface with HDCP and Patented DualBIOS with dual hardware BIOS protection which is not the case with MSI.
b. Gigabyte has Integrated ATI Radeon HD3300 graphics ,128MB DDR3 SidePort memory (which I dont think is going to help me at all when I am going for a dedicated graphic card.Correct me if I am wrong).
c. Gigabyte has ieee 1394 port, additional 2 sata II connectors. Again not much of use for me(MSI has optional Ieee 1394 but does this port has any future).
So i think MSI K9A2 CF should be a better deal ....kind of value for money (Actually there is no value for money in gadgets and fashion world... gets outdated too soon)

2. I have been a intel user for my desktop and laptop. So AMD will be new!!! On checking from the amd website( *products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?detailId=510&id=509&id=510 ) it brings out a point that the max temp for cpu is 62C. My laptop(C2D 2.00 GHz) has been touching 75 to 80 quite often so i wonder how will i control the temp of the desktop to 62 without the AC. Temp in Chandigarh can go quite high in summers upto 42C and also I remember people talking about overheating issues as far as AMD is concerned. I would request input from all those who have experienced such issues.

3. 2x2GB Transcend DDR2 800MHz RAM has been suggested , but do i have any choice of having RAM upto 1066 MHz. ( Why should i restrict .... is the restriction technical mismatch or non availability in the market)

4. HD 4870 looks better to me but confused which company to choose!!!! Please suggest.
5. Since I will be editing and messing around with HD movies, looks like 1 TB should be a better choice but I would keep the factor of Space/Cost on priority. So I wouldnt mind buying 2X500 Gb hard disks vis a vis 1 X 1TB hard disk if the former works out to be cheaper.

Atleast the rig has started forming up. Waiting for your inputs...

1. Gigabyte mobos have better build quality than MSI.

2. New AMD cpus doesn't overheat.

3. Increase your budget & get Corsair 1066 Mhz 2x 2GB Kit @ Rs. 10700 or So.

4. Alreay suggested.

5. For HD movie editing get 2x 500GB hdd & use them in RAID 0 mode &
get another 1TB hdd for storage.

All in All - Increase your budget.

 

[ashu888ashu888]

^^

yup, i agree with topgear tat Gigabyte mobos are really good...also the recent kaput-gone-cases of MSI mobos makes me feel abit cautioned..

Also, corsair or OCZ RAMs are really good, but since corsair RAM hv 10yrs warranty, so i also recommend to the OP: to get that only..
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[hansraj]

1. Gigabyte mobos have better build quality than MSI.

2. New AMD cpus doesn't overheat.

3. Increase your budget & get Corsair 1066 Mhz 2x 2GB Kit @ Rs. 10700 or So.

4. Alreay suggested.

5. For HD movie editing get 2x 500GB hdd & use them in RAID 0 mode &
get another 1TB hdd for storage.

All in All - Increase your budget.

1. I am still choosing the suitable mobo ( for my pocket and PC) and gigabyte option is still on but i think that it had to be higher priced for the reasons i cited above. It has lot of additional feature which MSI doesnt have but those features are of no use to me. NOTWITHSTANDING the fact that yes... people are telling me here that Gigabyte is more trustworthy I will keep gigabyte in mind. also how about Biostar TA790GX A2+ . Is this for Phenom II 920!!!!

2. Thanks for all the input that cpu overheating is not a problem. So locked on to Phenom II.
3. Pshycosocial suggested me that the improvement in performance will not be as much as will be the price change. And in my case since i have a limited budget I think I will have to restrict to 800 MHz. Shelling out another 8000 for improved ram freq will be a expensive affair for me.
4. U suggested and accepted fully.
5. Now for this point I am unable to understand that how having 2 raid disk and one for storage will improve my HD editing job. Can u be a bit elaborate please.

A big hug for u my friend "Psycosocial" for telling me the store in chandigarh. Atleast in the website they claim they have it.. I will give a call today and check.

 

[topgear]

1. Every 7xx series ATI chipset obos does supports phenom 2.

3. If you are not going for DDR2 1066Mhz then get DDR2 2x 2GB 800Mhz C4 kit. It's Rs. 5K or so & gives very good performance.

5. Get 2 500GB hdd & configure them for RAID 0 through bios setting ( consult mobo manual for that ). Two hdds in Raid 0 mode will double the bandwidth of hdds.

I've personally tested 2 80GB seagate hdds in Raid mode & they gave almost double the bandwidth.

For eg. Raid 0 breaks apart a file & store it in two hdds & when it reads data back it reads it from two disks concurrently. So you get double data bandwidth.
Movie editing pros & gamers swera by RAID 0

But Raid 0 has no fault tolerance. So if your raid array somehow loose it's setting or one of the 2 hdds craches all datas will be gone & you will not be able to recover those datas. ( though there are apps for recovering data from raid 0 but i've not tested those ) So I told u to get another 1TB hdd for storage.

Do your HD editings in Raid 0 disks and store those movies after editing in the 1TB drive.

Read more about raid in here : *en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks