infra_red_dude
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^^^ I guess implementing the first part shouldn't be a problem with the solution I posted. It will avoid any future lawsuits against MS and MS can live with peace of mind, at least in this case
But the fact is that most linux distros do bundle a browser with them .The_Devil_Himself said:My point was just that don't compare M$ and Linux.Linux do provide alternate browsers and there are more browsers to be downloaded in repos directly from synaptic which doesn't require any web browser.
The_Devil_Himself said:Why don't you get that Linux distros are not commercial products?
And are you sure about Windows market place providing firefox?I seriously doubt it.
Thanks.Indyan said:Opera Soft Explains itself.
Bundling in itself is not a problem, but it becomes a problem when a dominant player in the market uses bundling in combination with other tactics to prevent others from competing in the market.
Please note that Safari and Firefox are very good at standards compliance. If they didn't have to deal with MSIE compatibility, they (and Opera) could have spent even more time on improving their standards support.
gx_saurav said:Suppose MS provides Vista without any browser, how will u download Opera then *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif
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infra_red_dude said:The root cause of the problem is the second point: Not adhereing to web standards!
IE's proprietary technologies are not standards.iMav said:opera has no problem telling MS to adhere to standards they follow but have a problem following standards IE adhers to
There are still many sites that require IE, and no other browsers will work.firefox works well every1 on that board has said
It is not "their" standards. The standards people are referring to are actually standards Microsoft has participated in making. Yet they don't follow them.whether its a case against IE not following their standards or is it IE's dominance ....
Where does it say that?and what a stupidly cheeky statement .... that if IE adheres to the standards they follow and still is bundled with Windows it wont be the most used browser
It is not a lawsuit. And no, you cannot "beat" IE because of Microsoft's anti-competitive practices. This is not down to an inability by Opera or other browsers to beat IE when on equal terms, but the terms are not equal at all.i read it to understand as to what they were objecting to and clearly says that we cant beat u so we we will sue u
The reason Firefox and Safari are perfectly alright is that they are not impeding competition, and they are standards compliant.but yeah its diplomatically said so that they get public support which they need and is the resaon why firefox or safari are perfectly alright with them
Microsoft has promised the world in the past. It is clear, after more than a decade, that force is necessary to stop Microsoft from engaging in anti-competitive practices. Do you really want to take a chance that a company which is well know for doing dishonest things will suddenly improve?gx_saurav said:MS has already made it clear that IE 8 will be IE 7 + Integrated download manager + Expression Web engine which is 100% standard complient.
Unless IE8 is exactly like Opera, why would someone who prefers Opera switch to IE? If IE8 is standards compliant, why would that alone make people switch from Opera if they prefer Opera's features?Or is it that Opera is just scared that no one will use opera once IE 8 is out...
Opera does not have a monopoly. There is competition in the mobile (browser) market. This is addressed in the Q&A, by the way:I mean comon, Opera also has a monopoly on mobile phone browser market, Webkit based browsers are not suing Opera for that.
Where does it say that?
read boy readMicrosoft would be forced to adhere to standards, and at the same time they would not be as well equipped to repeat their actions in the future because their browser would no longer be as dominant.
IE8 will not follow all standards. It may improve somewhat, but Microsoft's history shows that they are all talk and no action in these cases.iMav said:IE 8 will follow all standards yet the standards issue being raised as the major reason as to why IE is bad and leads to improper competition
They have. Many sites block these browsers too.Firefox or Safari havnt had an issue with it
No. The reason Opera does this now is that right now an investigation is already underway in the EU.all of a sudden Opera rises from sleep when MS has announced that IE 8 will follow "the standards"
IE is not available for Linux. And besides, even after a decade and lots of money spent on trying to win over IE, IE still has a market share of more than 80% globally. This would not be the case if IE actually had to compete on equal terms as everyone else!firefox has been fighting on these so called un-equal terms yet has managed to clinch itself a position in almost every Linux distro
This comment shows me that you don't understand what this case is all about.opera wants to sue MS coz it cant beat firefox and suing canonical for bundling firefox would result in major consumer backlash
But only limited such, and only after over a decade and billions spent on the whole thing. Again, if the competing terms had been equal, Firefox would have had a much greater market share and would have had to spend a lot less money to achieve that.and as far as that comment by opera with regards to stifling compettion is concerned ... firefox and safari have acceptance in the market
The reason Safari was ported to Windows was to make sure people could develop for the iPhone.so much so that el jobso decided to come up with a windows version ofthe browser which clearly indicates that there is room for competition
Again, it is not a lawsuit, and it is not a publicity stunt either. It is an antitrust complaint which actually benefits everyone, including Apple and Mozilla. And normal users.but the cheap publicity hunry pera decided to sueMS .... why didnt apple sue MS when they came out with safari forwindows