OOXML Almost An ISO Standard!

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Re: WTF : OOXML Almost An ISO Standard!

Plz elaborate why OOXML is crap compared to ODF, when both are 100% Open Standards, with no properity check in OOXML left anymore.

Yaar, I m not a linux geek like u r , or a FOSS geek so plz tell us why ODF is better then OOXML technically.

Seems like u r hating OOXML just cos it is from Microsoft despite of it being a completely open standard now with no Microsoft control

And so you thought....


Reason are more than what the human mind can comprehend:

Few of the technical reasons:

1.> The Disharmony of OOXML

2.> Major Defects still Remain unsolved!

3.> OOXML is based on MS-Office. No standard is tied to or evolves from a product. Standards are vendor independent but OOXML is heavily dependent on MS-Office. In short, it's just another MS-Office format!


Voting Process reasons:

1.> ISO changing the whole process just for one company! (double standards)

2.> Utter-nonsense voting (eg: Norway's 19 members voted NO against 5 and and Norway;s vote was registered as 'YES'!!)

3.> Bribing and faking(Not necessary if the product is worthy by itself)

4.> Not discussing the proposed 3000+ changes to the sad format! Just voting 'yes' & 'no' without even checking if the problem has been sorted to suit the time frames for one company! wtf?

5.> ISO officials, others dispute claims thatOpen XML meeting was flawed

6.> Nevermind the bulls**t, here's OOXML, says Microsoft


I guess this should be enought to prove your assumptions wrong that it's only about hating microsoft! Dude, OOXML is crap in the current state which can be seen from the links posted above. It might be worthy enough to be an ISO standard without MS needing to bribe and use cheap tactics if the fix the issues discussed in the first ISO meeting... but wait.. what will you understand being an MS fanboy.. sigh...

 

[MetalheadGautham]

@cyrus: don't tell ethical stuff. Please tell us some technical stuff which makes ODF better or worser than OOXML.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

@cyrus: don't tell ethical stuff. Please tell us some technical stuff which makes ODF better or worser than OOXML.

1st point give is clear enough as to why odf is better, will post more..

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: WTF : OOXML Almost An ISO Standard!

And so you thought....


Reason are more than what the human mind can comprehend:

Few of the technical reasons:

1.> The Disharmony of OOXML

2.> Major Defects still Remain unsolved!

3.> OOXML is based on MS-Office. No standard is tied to or evolves from a product. Standards are vendor independent but OOXML is heavily dependent on MS-Office. In short, it's just another MS-Office format!

Lolz...no more discussion, stick to your terminal....you hardly know anything of reality.

 

[iMav]

Re: WTF : OOXML Almost An ISO Standard!

3.> OOXML is based on MS-Office. No standard is tied to or evolves from a product. Standards are vendor independent but OOXML is heavily dependent on MS-Office. In short, it's just another MS-Office format!

an absolutely rubbish statement, just because a company made a standard based on a product that is the most used read and understand this - ms office is the numero uno office suite used so a format for it by defacto is or should be made or should be considerd a standard

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Re: WTF : OOXML Almost An ISO Standard!

Lolz...no more discussion, stick to your terminal....you hardly know anything of reality.

I didn't expect anything more than that @gx, we know who is far from reality, and we do realize that you sadly still sleep in the MS dream world. Thanks for confirming that by not answering the issues posted. Wait, MS can't sort it, then what will you answer?

an absolutely rubbish statement, just because a company made a standard based on a product that is the most used read and understand this - ms office is the numero uno office suite used so a format for it by defacto is or should be made or should be considerd a standard

Dream on fanboy, if the entire world starts to use what you think of as a standard, then everyone would be using application specifics protocols and not standards. lolz.. can't believe your ignorance man.

BTW, the view above is not just mine but a majority of the what the standards world believes is a standard

 

[gxsaurav]

Instead of calling me & iMav, why don't u just state why is ODF better then OOXML technically?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Re: WTF : OOXML Almost An ISO Standard!

an absolutely rubbish statement, just because a company made a standard based on a product that is the most used read and understand this - ms office is the numero uno office suite used so a format for it by defacto is or should be made or should be considerd a standard

actually, you lost a point there.
a true ISO standard is supposed to be such that it can be implemented by anyone and everyone, not just by a majority. So weather its a crazy chap running BeOS, or a richboy mac user, or a hardcore vista addict or a tux geek, all of them must be able to use it.

 

[gxsaurav]

That is why an ISO standard is made so that anyone can implement it freely.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Instead of calling me & iMav, why don't u just state why is ODF better then OOXML technically?

Stop your deceptive crap. I've already mentioned them, stop playing around in circles to try to fool everyone. The 1st point itself if more than enough to prove your question.

Secondly, stop the crap about prove if ODF is better than OOXML. This is what is wrong with MS and it's bunch of fanboys, they turn everything into a competitive thing. Open standards don't compete with each other, they complement each other. The point again is about OOXML being worthy of ISO standardization and not OOXML v/s ODF. The points mentioned above clearly show why it was never worthty of becoming an ISO standard due to conflicts within itself and to what the majority of the open standard world knows about. Unfortunately, we live in a world that has murder, corrupt politicians, fraud, bribery and Microsoft. This is just another case of money power winning over while the truth remains shunted for the profit of the people who support it and not for the profit of the people who are going to use them.

So, @gx, first, try to atleast give an explanation to the points listed which everyone knows that even MS doesn't have to answer to. Then you can play your 'ringa, ringa roses' game and run around in circles by keeping on asking for more and manupulating things.

actually, you lost a point there.
a true ISO standard is supposed to be such that it can be implemented by anyone and everyone, not just by a majority. So weather its a crazy chap running BeOS, or a richboy mac user, or a hardcore vista addict or a tux geek, all of them must be able to use it.

+1, but who's going to listen?

 

[gary4gar]

KDE's ISO Delegate Votes Yes to Office Open XML
this week saw the International Standards Organisation vote on adopting Office Open XML as a standard for office documents. KDE gained a representative late last year through our legal body KDE e.V. realising that the only way to ensure a fair process was to be part of it. Today our delegate voted yes to adopting the format as an international standard. "We have studied the standard hard and many changes have been made to it," said KDE's Supreme Leader Aaron Seigo "and following a $10,000 donation from an anonymous North American source we realised the market should decide the best formats to use, not technical bureaucrats".

*dot.kde.org/1207000153/

ISO Approves OOXML
*slashdot.org/articles/08/04/01/2229207.shtml

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

KDE's ISO Delegate Votes Yes to Office Open XML
this week saw the International Standards Organisation vote on adopting Office Open XML as a standard for office documents. KDE gained a representative late last year through our legal body KDE e.V. realising that the only way to ensure a fair process was to be part of it. Today our delegate voted yes to adopting the format as an international standard. "We have studied the standard hard and many changes have been made to it," said KDE's Supreme Leader Aaron Seigo "and following a $10,000 donation from an anonymous North American source we realised the market should decide the best formats to use, not technical bureaucrats".

*dot.kde.org/1207000153/

Just to set the record straight, this was an April fool Joke!
Hence not true.

 

[kumarmohit]

ISO Approves OOXML
*slashdot.org/articles/08/04/01/2229207.shtml

OK It is done,
The only question remains, how long before people move to it.!

BTW Gary, got rid of the chinese? If not, format it there is no way you can the utilities in English.

 

[DigitalDude]

^^^^

read the post above your's.... d'oh


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[kumarmohit]

I thought the KDE part was the joke, not the slashdot thing.

 

[sakumar79]

Just an observation, please dont think this as flame or fanboy statement...

I use OpenOffice.org at my office (cant afford MS Office)... Today, we had some addresses that needed to send letters... I created the cover page of the letter (with the To address) and then another page which I set as Envelope size (so that I could print the cover page and the Envelope one after the other).... Note that all this is in ODF format.... For some strange reason, the envelope contents gets printed heavily offset from the margin... (the from address in the bottom left comes in the bottom center, and the to address at the middle is printed in the right extreme)... But Print Preview is showing it correctly... I had a similar experience while trying to use mail merge earlier, and if I export it to PDF it worked and then, I would print from the PDF file and it would print correctly...

I am not 100% sure if this is a bug in ODF (and not OOo), but I believe that it is because I opened the ODF file in Ashampoo Office Textmaker 2006 (came free in one of the mag CDs before), and the same result was experienced...

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that even ODF is not a 100% perfect format... As far as I can understand, if OOXML becomes an ISO standard, it will be available for everybody to use or ignore without any fees/royalty right? Many of the users here opposed to OOXML appear to me to do so simply because it is by Microsoft....

I am not saying that OOXML is perfect, or that it is better than ODF or that it deserves to be a ISO standard... But I think we should not really step into the debate on the topic based on biased terms (this goes for MS fanboys also)...

Arun

 

[Jayanth.M.P]

Dude Cyrus ???

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Dude Cyrus ???

What???

Just an observation, please dont think this as flame or fanboy statement...

I use OpenOffice.org at my office (cant afford MS Office)... Today, we had some addresses that needed to send letters... I created the cover page of the letter (with the To address) and then another page which I set as Envelope size (so that I could print the cover page and the Envelope one after the other).... Note that all this is in ODF format.... For some strange reason, the envelope contents gets printed heavily offset from the margin... (the from address in the bottom left comes in the bottom center, and the to address at the middle is printed in the right extreme)... But Print Preview is showing it correctly... I had a similar experience while trying to use mail merge earlier, and if I export it to PDF it worked and then, I would print from the PDF file and it would print correctly...

I am not 100% sure if this is a bug in ODF (and not OOo), but I believe that it is because I opened the ODF file in Ashampoo Office Textmaker 2006 (came free in one of the mag CDs before), and the same result was experienced...

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that even ODF is not a 100% perfect format... As far as I can understand, if OOXML becomes an ISO standard, it will be available for everybody to use or ignore without any fees/royalty right? Many of the users here opposed to OOXML appear to me to do so simply because it is by Microsoft....

I am not saying that OOXML is perfect, or that it is better than ODF or that it deserves to be a ISO standard... But I think we should not really step into the debate on the topic based on biased terms (this goes for MS fanboys also)...

Arun

Mate, respect your views about the above mentioned and don't dispute them, but I guess it's time you feed the paper correctly into your printer to get it printed as on print preview.

Priniting envelopes is a pain whether it is in Open Office or MS Office. And if the print is different from what you see in the print preview, it's not a so called 'bug' in the document format or a problem with the application. I've experienced the same problem even when I've used MS office. When ever the print is different from what you see in the print preview, then it's either a printer driver 'bug' or inaccurate paper feed. It's not a document format 'bug'

BTW, for those who still keep asking the question about why it shouldn't have been an ISO standard, reasons are given in my previous posts. And stop having the misconception that people don't want OOXML to be ISO just because it's from Microsoft. Facts are mentioned above. Refer them.

MS Fanboys here tried to dispute the above facts like they always do by taking it off topic and @gx, says we live in a different world, I guess he's right, coz he still lives in a world where he thinks gmail doesn't have pop and imap and that sony owns the cell processor architecture

 

[sakumar79]

Just for clarification, the ODF problem also occurs with mailing labels (trying to print a table of 3x6 label entries) in an A4 sheet... So, to the best of my understanding, it has nothing to do with how I put the sheet in... Of course, I am not 100% sure if the problem is with the ODF format or something else...
I dont think it is a printer driver bug either because if I export the ODF file to PDF and print from Acrobat Reader, it prints fine... So, my guess is that there is some discrepancy in the representation of what is to be printed in paper and what is displayed....

Anyways, I went through a little bit of the links you posted (the second link was so long, it was hard to keep going past a limit), and there are some significant points to consider and some insignificant "bugs" too... I think if Microsoft had ironed out the major issues before pushing for ISO standard, it would be good... But I dont know how many issues remain and how many are solved... Any ideas on the latest status?

Arun

 

[gary4gar]

I am sure that XML will be a standard, 75% of votes are towards it.

just Wait for official announcement