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[armon300]

@Cool G5
Yeah I've read that review.. came up with some of the google results..

@NoasArcAngel
That's exactly what I've decided for PSU.
Oh damn.. I didn't know about the lack of availability of Gamma in NP.. that's gonna throw a speed-breaker at me..
Are you sure about Latency not making a difference though? I'd rule it out then..

@asigh
Ahh.. saw lot of your posts.. was wondering when you would enter here... xDDD
Yeah.. that's kind of obvious.. Lower latencies = Better than higher lats... hence the higher prices. But I'll keep in mind to check 550W before the 450W..
Thanks for the reference, I've already noted to check SMC Int. for CM cabbies if I don't get the NZXT Gamma.. your model suggestions really help narrowing down the choices for me.

@Sam.Shab
Yep, 1st preference for cabby is the Gamma.
I was thinking about that.. and it really struck me that such a critical issue was not being addressed by AMD.. Hmm.. will have to re-judge on the cooler.
Thanks for the OC tips.. I'll make sure to read ample amount of OC info...

Will post my final choices for a final check in a minute.

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This is what I see as my new config:

OS = Windows 7 64Bit
CPU/Processor = AMD Athlon II X4 630
Graphic Card/GPU = ATI Sapphire GDDR5 HD5670 512MB
Hard Drive = Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue
Keyboard = Logitech/Microsoft Wireless
Optical Drive = 22X SATA DVD-RW Sony Optiarc / LG / Lite-On
Motherboard = Biostar TA785G3 HD
Power Supply = Corsair VX550/ Corsair VX450
Case/Cabinet = NZXT Gamma / Cooler Master Elite (310/ 360/ Vanilla M690/CM690 2) at SMC Int. + 2x120MM CM fans
Memory/RAM = Corsair/Gskill DDR3 (2X2)4GB 1333MHz (To keep in mind low CAL Latency, Voltage, Price)
Monitor (Still not sure about this) = Benq G2220HD 22” FULL HD / DELL 21.5" S2209W

Apart from Monitor, I'm pretty sure about the parts I've decided.. So.. what do you think?

 

[asingh]

^^
Saw you finalized list now.

1. That card is useless. Will hardly render. Forget it doing Dx11 tessellation. Unbalanced rig.
2. Go for 1TB HDD. Better value for money. 500GB fills out fast.

What prices is SMS quoting for all this.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

okay dude here you go as far as DDR3 ram is concerned the latency for any DDR3 ram is higher than the cheapest shite DDR2 ram you can find.... also lower latencies usually results in quicker memory maps etc... so unless you are willing to spend 10-20k on your ram and want extreme performance i wouldn't be worried much about the latency of the ram... if it is DDR3.... so you get the point ?

also asigh what i meant was that powercolor cards are good lol but if you compare in general... sapphire beats powercolor by about a 10-20% margin because it has single layer PCB solid state capacitors...etc...

finding gamma or any NZXT cabinet in NP will be impossible unless you are willing to go all the way to chandigarh and get one... or ship by paying 2k ?

as far as the ram is concerned be sure you DON'T get the value ram opt for performance ram with heatsinks one major mistake people make

also dude a after market performance cooler is a must especially in hot temps of Delhi ... so i am sure a tx2 / tx3 will be required

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rofl dude why the hell is that card useless? ..sad

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500GB storage is enough and he can upgrade in future also ... or add another drive for performance... although the price/GB ratio will be lower for the 1TB hdd

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well for his purpose the rig is very well balanced + future proof with ddr3 support and a good psu so he can later upgrade to a crossfire setup and a octacore cpu... in future

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also @ sam the fan's dont stop to function what i mean to say is that AMD processors generate a lot of heat and even a slight OC sends the temp running like crazy so to increase the life of the processor and better cooling i suggested a after market cooler

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actually you are quoting lower prices than me

 

[Piyush]

This is what I see as my new config:

OS = Windows 7 64Bit
CPU/Processor = AMD Athlon II X4 630
Graphic Card/GPU = ATI Sapphire GDDR5 HD5670 512MB
Hard Drive = Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue
Keyboard = Logitech/Microsoft Wireless
Optical Drive = 22X SATA DVD-RW Sony Optiarc / LG / Lite-On
Motherboard = Biostar TA785G3 HD
Power Supply = Corsair VX550/ Corsair VX450
Case/Cabinet = NZXT Gamma / Cooler Master Elite (310/ 360/ Vanilla M690/CM690 2) at SMC Int. + 2x120MM CM fans
Memory/RAM = Corsair/Gskill DDR3 (2X2)4GB 1333MHz (To keep in mind low CAL Latency, Voltage, Price)
Monitor (Still not sure about this) = Benq G2220HD 22” FULL HD / DELL 21.5" S2209W

Apart from Monitor, I'm pretty sure about the parts I've decided.. So.. what do you think?

sorry for being late
but a few changes are required:
go for hd 5750(i fear if 5670 is appropriate or not)not much difference in price
i'll suggest u to go for asus 785g v-evo mobo
gr8 performance
look
there is a separate column at tomshardware.com named as
Build your own

check it urself
might help

 

[NoasArcAngel]

dude what do you mean by price difference ? if he changes his card he is gonna pay double the price... are you nuts? also asus mobo quality sucks specially the low end one's unless you are going for one of their formulas i think this is the best mobo

 

[asingh]

also asigh what i meant was that powercolor cards are good lol but if you compare in general... sapphire beats powercolor by about a 10-20% margin because it has single layer PCB solid state capacitors...etc...

What you mean compare in general. Can you show me some benchmarks of exact Sapphire vs. Powercolor accelerators (models are same) where the Sapphire ones are ahead. The only place where Sapphire beats Powercolor --- is that they give 3 years warranty vs. 2 years of Powercolor.

rofl dude why the hell is that card useless? ..sad

It is cause, if you read reviews on that accelerator, it is punching it below 60 FPS. On that, the user will have poor gaming experience. And when the Dx11 features are turned up (Dx11), this card will crap in its pants.

500GB storage is enough and he can upgrade in future also ... or add another drive for performance... although the price/GB ratio will be lower for the 1TB hdd

How you know 500GB is enough. Better to get more than enough in the first go. It will work out cheaper, plus less connectors and more empty slot, less hardware with one platter vs. two.

well for his purpose the rig is very well balanced + future proof with ddr3 support and a good psu so he can later upgrade to a crossfire setup and a octacore cpu... in future

I feel it is not well balanced. Rest is upto the buyer decide. His GPU will not cut the ice. But if he has monetary constraints, he is good to go.

 

[armon300]

@asigh
NoasArcAngel is right.. I don't need 1TB and plus.. in the "Not-to buy hardware list" it says 1TB HDDs crash rate is high. But the main factor is, I don't need more than 500GB (I'm using 80GB HDD right now, have only reached the limit..maybe once? Otherwise I'm always below the 40GB used mark.)
Hmmm.. will 5670 really be THAT bad? What do you suggest? Obviously don't push me upto double that price but within that range..


@piyush
No dude, don't be sorry.. You're not late.
I compared HD5670 and HD5750... price is around 3k more for the latter and it's also 1GB memory. HD5750 also has more Stream Processing Units (300 more), and little higher Memory Clock (0.6 GBps more).

@NoasArcAngel
Yeah 500GB is more than enough for me. Thanks.
And about the cooling part.. even after adding 2 fans I'll need that cooling kit? I don't want to risk anything here, but if it really is worth it, then sure. Do consider that I have an A/C in the room where this rig will be kept, so obviously in the peaks of summer, it'll be on.
And about the RAM, I'll get a good brand with 4GB DDR3 1333 MHz ram.. Gskill/Corsair are main choices, but if they don't fit in my budget, I hope Kingston does.

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My budget is 40000 INR, give or take. And I still have to add a UPS to this rig. It's a tight budget, but can't do much about it.
Am in the process of reading about the HD5670.. It turns out, HD5750 or HD4850 might be a good choice as well.

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You're right asigh! Everyone suggests to get either get ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB OR Radeon HD 5750 512MB for that budget range INSTEAD of HD5670.. even in it's OWN review.

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Ok, I read a bit more and decided that THIS will be the final rig.

CPU/Processor = AMD Athlon II X4 630

Motherboard = Biostar TA785G3 HD

Memory/RAM = 4GB(2*2) 1333MHz Kingston DDR3 RAM

Hard Drive = Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue

Graphic Card/GPU = ATI Radeon Sapphire HD5750 512MB DDR5

Monitor = BenQ G2020HD 20" LCD Monitor

Cabinet = Cooler Master Elite 310 at SMC + 2x120MM CM fans

Power Supply = Corsair VX450

Keyboard = Logitech/Microsoft

Optical Drive = Sony Optiarc / LG 22X SATA DVD-RW

Now, I found that the prices for these in the "Latest Prices!!!" thread total upto 37k. So, I've got a few extra to spend. Now, what do I spend it on.
Will be OCing, but not a LOT. So, with that in mind, any suggestions to where I should put the extra bucks?

 

[Piyush]

@asigh
NoasArcAngel is right.. I don't need 1TB and plus.. in the "Not-to buy hardware list" it says 1TB HDDs crash rate is high. But the main factor is, I don't need more than 500GB (I'm using 80GB HDD right now, have only reached the limit..maybe once? Otherwise I'm always below the 40GB used mark.)
Hmmm.. will 5670 really be THAT bad? What do you suggest? Obviously don't push me upto double that price but within that range..


@piyush
No dude, don't be sorry.. You're not late.
I compared HD5670 and HD5750... price is around 3k more for the latter and it's also 1GB memory. HD5750 also has more Stream Processing Units (300 more), and little higher Memory Clock (0.6 GBps more).

@NoasArcAngel
Yeah 500GB is more than enough for me. Thanks.
And about the cooling part.. even after adding 2 fans I'll need that cooling kit? I don't want to risk anything here, but if it really is worth it, then sure. Do consider that I have an A/C in the room where this rig will be kept, so obviously in the peaks of summer, it'll be on.
And about the RAM, I'll get a good brand with 4GB DDR3 1333 MHz ram.. Gskill/Corsair are main choices, but if they don't fit in my budget, I hope Kingston does.

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My budget is 40000 INR, give or take. And I still have to add a UPS to this rig. It's a tight budget, but can't do much about it.
Am in the process of reading about the HD5670.. It turns out, HD5750 or HD4850 might be a good choice as well.

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You're right asigh! Everyone suggests to get either get ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB OR Radeon HD 5750 512MB for that budget range INSTEAD of HD5670.. even in it's OWN review.

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Ok, I read a bit more and decided that THIS will be the final rig.

CPU/Processor = AMD Athlon II X4 630

Motherboard = Biostar TA785G3 HD

Memory/RAM = 4GB(2*2) 1333MHz Kingston DDR3 RAM

Hard Drive = Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue

Graphic Card/GPU = ATI Radeon Sapphire HD5750 1GB DDR5

Monitor = BenQ G2020HD 20" LCD Monitor

Cabinet = Cooler Master Elite 310 at SMC + 2x120MM CM fans

Power Supply = Corsair VX450

Keyboard = Logitech/Microsoft

Optical Drive = Sony Optiarc / LG 22X SATA DVD-RW

Now, I found that the prices for these in the "Latest Prices!!!" thread total upto 37k. So, I've got a few extra to spend. Now, what do I spend it on.
Will be OCing, but not a LOT. So, with that in mind, any suggestions to where I should put the extra bucks?

looks decent to me
well how much can u spend more?

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dude what do you mean by price difference ? if he changes his card he is gonna pay double the price... are you nuts? also asus mobo quality sucks specially the low end one's unless you are going for one of their formulas i think this is the best mobo

listen dude he hasnt bought a gfx card yet
so we all can guide him to make right changes

plus
i think u r a damn fan of bio*
check this out
Seven AMD 785G-Based Motherboards Rounded Up

 

[NoasArcAngel]

rofl dude i aint no fanboy... i actually like MSI a lot... just that he suggested a biostar mobo so as well as go with it.... also ASUS boards are nice... but a little pricey and VFM is our main concern here...

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see if you are adding 2 fans ... they will ventilate the cabinet well, also the ram gfx card will generate heat so you need about 2 fans minimum to keep your cabby temps cool and the area near the processor will really heat up a lot... so i suggest go in for a after market cooler for solid cooling ...

also rofl mistake on my part... i was thinking about the HD 5770 when i wrote that pricing thing down.. @ all guys sorry obviously if you pay 3k more and get a HD 5750 go for it

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also armon dont go for ram.... see a increase ram buffer will be useless. i suggest stick to the 512MB HD 5750 and save the money... going for 1GB is useless as there is not a frame big enough to fill that... also performance difference wont be a lot as they are running the same core and memory clocks...

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make sure for the ram get one WITH HEATSINKS

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with 1GB of ram in HD 5750 you will max get 1-2 frames per second is it worth the cost?

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you can save ont that and get better ram like G-skill [ ripjaw ] / hyperX [ kingston ] or xms3 [ corsair ] or ocz

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hmm the ASUS evo mobo suggested by piyush seems a good buy with all solid capacitors and double gold layering between in the pcb...

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the MSI mobo i suggest is E-53 785G chipset for about 5.5k whereas the ASUS mobo is for around 7k... its up to you...i would suggest stick with a mobo for about 2-5k and spend rest money on better RAM...

 

[armon300]

@piyush
I'm not sure how the prices from the stickied thread compare to Nehru Place prices.. but their the latest prices so their shouldn't be much difference.
Going with that, it comes out to be 37000 INR, which leaves room for 3k more.

Damn ****, I was looking for that! Will have to go back to 5th grade and find out how to navigate a site...
Actually that was made in Oct. 2009, and I was looking for the March version.. xD

@NoasArcAngel
I know.. I just couldn't find the 512MB version online anywhere.. So I thought there was no such thing.
But, I'll list HD5750 512MB so if I find it, I'll get that instead.
Better RAM.. could you point me to a list of such rams?
And yeah.. I was looking at that Mobo too.. Hmm.. I'll work up the mobo once again.

PS: Have changed my config to the 512MB version of HD5750.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

nice the config is good although if you find the HD 5750 512MB and the price difference with the 1GB one is not a lot i suggest stick with the 1GB one

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if you have 3k left... you can check these ram's

1. G-Skill F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL [ *lynx-india.com/index.php?productID=9037 ]
price in np would be around 6.5k

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alternatively you could go for this : Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 [ *www.lynx-india.com/index.php?productID=9056 ] this will also cost about 7.5k


[/COLOR]or you could go for this : Gskill Ripjaws Series 2x2GB DDR3 1600MHz F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM [*techshop.in/store/product_info.php?cPath=320_16_34&products_id=4447 ] this should be about 7~7.5k in nehru place
all these ram's are performance ram with heatspreaders or heatsinks

 

[asingh]

@asigh
NoasArcAngel is right.. I don't need 1TB and plus.. in the "Not-to buy hardware list" it says 1TB HDDs crash rate is high. But the main factor is, I don't need more than 500GB (I'm using 80GB HDD right now, have only reached the limit..maybe once? Otherwise I'm always below the 40GB used mark.)
Hmmm.. will 5670 really be THAT bad? What do you suggest? Obviously don't push me upto double that price but within that range..

Most of the world is moving to 1TB platters. Understandable that your requirement is for 500GB. Sure get it. But do not base your logic on myths -- since they have no substance.

You system is fine, the HD5750 will be the weak link. They day you move to full HD, forget playing on this GPU. But you can easily replace it down the line. Since your budget is constrained, try it out with the HD5750, and later you can pawn it, and get a better card. Just remember any ATI board with a HDx7xx in it, is mid level. So do not expect wonders, when you dial up the eye-candy.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

duhh asigh this card is pretty powerful google some benchmark results.... and then say anything it clearly beats the GTX 260 and GTS 250 ...... by 5%+ margin in many games and the card costs more than this

 

[asingh]

^^
First of all, please reply to my posts with some decency. I am not your Twitter or Facebook/chat client buddy here. Thanks.

As per guru3d: at 1920 x 1200. (The 1 GB version of HD5750)

FarCry : 28
COD:MW : 39
Warhead : 22
Mass Effect : 54
Fallout 3 : 43

Yes, at lower resolutions, it will deliver the goodies, but on HD+ resolutions, or close to it, it will start to falter. And in the same review, over here, you can read how well it fairs to the GTX 260. Remember, when setting up a gaming, rig the GPU should be the strongest of the lot. The CPU can be easily OC'ed, with the GPU you are more restricted. You get what you pay for. Keep it strong and beefy. HD5750, is a budget card for sure, but in gaming scenarios I would keep the GPU high end, and compromise on rest. (Not PSU of course).

 

[armon300]

@NoasArcAngel
Thanks man.. I needed that. Will check those three RAMs, and I'll try to find both 512MB and 1GB and compare them atleast once before picking one.

@asigh
It's kind of obvious everyone would get 1TB as the price it's available at nowadays is very affordable.. But see, trend is important, but what matters more is my requirement really.
And logic and myth have no connection whatsoever, IMO. I was under the impression that, a stickied thread in such a forum wouldn't be based on myths, but on facts of recurring mishaps (statistics).
About HD5750, well, it's what I can afford at this time. Maybe afterwards in the future I'll have a higher budget (and requirement) for the GPU, then I'll spend more on it for sure.
And that HDx7xx pattern makes sense.. I didn't notice.
Even the HD4000 series, HD48xx series were the top end. Ahhh.. the relief I get after seeing some logical normal pattern.. damn I have to read up more on this ATI stuff. Don't mind my limited knowledge.. I've just had a week of reviewing..

 

[NoasArcAngel]

@asigh here are the benchmarks... also i dont think you are my twitter or some buddy ...

stalker : clear sky *www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-6.html

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crysis : *www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-7.html

far cry 2 : *www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-8.html

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left 4 dead : *www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-9.html

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world in conflict : *www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-10.html

HAWX : *www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-11.html

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dude rofl.... you cant run a dual crossfire 5890 cards with a p4 processor @ 10ghz ? Can you

 

[armon300]

Now now kids.. Don't you be starting a flame war in my thread.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

man i am not starting a flame war.... this guy is just posting like that ....:grr: waise he does not know how much the performance of a gpu depends on the cpu...

 

[Piyush]

Now now kids.. Don't you be starting a flame war in my thread.

lol
i was thinking the same way
anyways
just forget about the graphic card for a moment
u said u have 3k more to spend
then listen
if asus mobo is over 6.5 k then leave it
go for either bio* or msi
and u'll still have around 10-11k in ur pocket
so i'll recommend u to go for hd 5770(1gb)
it's much future proof
NOTE:consider this suggestion only if u have 4gb ram already in the slot

 

[NoasArcAngel]

nahh if he goes for 2gb ram then he has 3k left so i suggested the good performance ram.... 1600mhz

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I'm in need of a new rig in the budget of 40k. I'll be using it mainly for surfing, movie/music downloads, some gaming once in a while and it has to be future-proofed for at least 2-3 years. I have it to get it by March end from Nehru Place. I'm also going to give a try at overclocking.. but it'd be my first and it won't be serious OC

After a lot of reviewing and reading, have made up a final outline of the config, just need some confirmations that this is "ready-2-buy" now.

CPU/Processor = AMD Athlon II X4 630

Motherboard = Biostar TA785G3 HD

Memory/RAM = 4GB(2*2) 1333MHz Kingston DDR3 RAM

Hard Drive = Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue

Graphic Card/GPU = ATI Radeon Sapphire HD5750 512MB DDR5

Monitor = BenQ G2020HD 20" LCD Monitor

Cabinet = Cooler Master Elite 310 at SMC + 2x120MM CM fans

Power Supply = Corsair VX450

Keyboard = Logitech/Microsoft

Optical Drive = Sony Optiarc / LG 22X SATA DVD-RW


PS: I will keep changing this post as the config evolves.

this total comes to around 37k so he has 3k left... he can invest and get better ram for 6~7.5k or go for a better mobo and cabinet