Need help with 120k dream gaming setup

[Tumbledoor]

Here's the link for the search of the RX 5700XT. The prices are ranging from 36k - 40k.

Since you recommended a 3 fan layout for the GPU, I'm looking at Asus AMD Radeon TUF-3 RX 5700 XT O8G @ 38.5k. As I will overclock, I'm comparing this against the Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super Windforce OC 3x 8GB, which is at 44k.

Noted on the ray tracing and DLSS bit. I think only 2 - 3 games support this tech at the moment, would you say that the 2070S is a better 'future-proof' choice?

 

[omega44-xt]

Here's the link for the search of the RX 5700XT. The prices are ranging from 36k - 40k.

Since you recommended a 3 fan layout for the GPU, I'm looking at Asus AMD Radeon TUF-3 RX 5700 XT O8G @ 38.5k. As I will overclock, I'm comparing this against the Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super Windforce OC 3x 8GB, which is at 44k.

Noted on the ray tracing and DLSS bit. I think only 2 - 3 games support this tech at the moment, would you say that the 2070S is a better 'future-proof' choice?

Yes, I feel RTX 2070S is more future-proof.

Single fan 5700XT is just a bad choice, I don't recommend single fan RTX 2060, this generates much more heat. Minimum 2 fans are required & 3 fans are ideal. Still I agree that there's a OOS 36k 5700XT. Before corona, 35-36k was the lowest for 5700XT & 38-40k was lowest for the 2070S. For in-stock models, the difference is still ~4-5k. That's lower than $100 difference present in US & GPUs are more expensive here.

DLSS 2.0 is 6 months old. DLSS 1.0 was bad, so people weren't exactly asking for its support. Now more games might implement it as it is worth implementing. Ray tracing takes a big hit on performance & is confirmed to be present in next-gen consoles launching late this year (as well as in new AMD & Nvidia GPUs). So ray tracing + DLSS can help improve visual fidelity without any loss in performance.

 

[Tumbledoor]

So I finally had the opportunity to visit S.P. Road and get some quotations.

Every shop recommended that I go with an B450 motherboard instead of an B550 because (1) They are cheaper (2) For R5 3600 or 3600X, there's no difference between 450 and 550 (2) B550 has the 'next-gen' PCIE 4, which no graphics card in the market now uses. Would really appreciate your advice here as I'm concerned that these guys might be trying to offload old stock. I have no problem going with B450 if the performance is genuinely comparable to B550 at 2/3rds the cost.

Sharing all the quotes below along with some of my thoughts.

Golchha Computers - Not sure how he is able to give RAM at such a low price. Also unsure about the PSU, it is 80+Bronze and doesn't have good reviews on Amazon. He didn't add the price of a cooler, so using 3k as a benchmark right now.

IT Gain Computers - Not sure how he's able to offer the GPU at 37k. Maybe I got this number wrong, maybe he's being fishy. He didn't mention the brand of the RAM. Unsure about the PSU here again as it's not 70+Gold

Supercomputers and Laptops - I think his quote has quite a bit of room to negotiate, Concerned about the PSU again.

Let me know what you guys think.

 

[SaiyanGoku]

Every shop recommended that I go with an M450 motherboard instead of an M550 because (1) They are cheaper (2) For R5 3600 or 3600X, there's no difference between 450 and 550 (2) M550 has the 'next-gen' PCIE 4, which no graphics card in the market now uses. Would really appreciate your advice here as I'm concerned that these guys might be trying to offload old stock. I have no problem going with M450 if the performance is genuinely comparable to M550 at 2/3rds the cost.

They are B450 and B550, not M450 and M550.

Also, I don't think there's 18% flat GST on all the components. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Tumbledoor]

They are B450 and B550, not M450 and M550.

My bad! Edited the original post.

The difference in thermals is quite a bit! Do you think there would still be this big a difference in performance if I'm running Ryzen 5 3600 instead of a Ryzen 9?

Or would it be better to save the 4000 by sticking to a B450 and investing it to get the Ryzen 3600X insted of 3600?

 

[whitestar_999]

@Tumbledoor Those shopkeepers are simply trying to mislead you. That psu is C tier & trying to sell it to you who is trying to build a 120k setup is same as trying to sell a local brand engine oil to someone planning on buying Mercedes or Ferrari.

*geek.digit.in/community/threads/using-an-old-psu-with-a-new-build.208694/#post-2388413

Now based on above do you think you should trust someone who recommends local brand engine oil for a Mercedes or Ferrari for anything. Get B550 mobo based on VRM temps shown in benchmark tests( @omega44-xt posted some good pics of these tests, you can see those) & as for ram don't get anything below 3600MHz. For graphics card prefer zotac followed by asus for nvidia & tell shopkeeper clearly you want to register zotac card online on zotac India site(do it within 28 days of purchase) to get extra 3 years warranty(so total 2+3=5 years warranty) so bill must be proper gst invoice. As for NVMe depending on budget you can get either kingston A2000 or WD Blue SN550(note the exact model number) though I prefer SN550 a bit more over A2000.

 

[SaiyanGoku]

Just saw the list shared by OP again. Who pays 15k for a B450 mobo?
Don't buy cheap cooler now. 3600x comes with good enough stock cooler by itself as you won't be OC'ing.

*www.techspot.com/article/1880-ryzen-3600x-vs-3600/

If needed, get NH-U12S or NH-D15 instead of AIOs.

 

[monkey]

@OP - I too have been trying config (for myself) for similar budget (nearly) and I had shortlisted this config:

1. CPU-AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - Rs. 17,300/-
2. MoBo: Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite - Rs. 15,450/-
3. RAM: ADATA 2x8GB @ 3600MHz - Rs. 9,850/-
4. CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 212 - Rs. 2,825/-
5. VGA: Asus 5700XT (3 fans) - Rs. 38,785/-
6. Cabinet: Corsair iCUE 220T - Rs. 7,850/-
7. PSU: Corsair CX650M -Rs. 6,800/-
8. SSD: Corsair MP600 500GB - Rs. 11,800/-
9. HDD: Seagate Firecuda 2TB - Rs. 8,800/-

Total: Rs. 1,19,460/-

All prices are from online sources (vedant, primeabgb etc.) and hence they may change at actual shops. I would prefer Noctua cooler over Hyper212 but they are unavailable.

See if this config suits you too...

 

[omega44-xt]

It is good conclusion that many form factor PCs will run hotter, like gaming laptops (but not to that extent). Remember that most reviewers usually keep room temp at 21C, so say an ambient temp of 30-35C will put real-life temps as +10-15C over those numbers. Also, many reviewers are running top of the end coolers like a 360mm AIO or so, those are expensive.

I'll say that don't expect 10-15% jump with OC as most manufacturers have been good at extracting as much performance as you can. Ryzen CPUs don't OC well enough like Intel ones do, but Intel ones get a lot hotter & draw a lot of power as well. Usually its not worth the effort.

Yes, B550 is worth the extra investment, esp if you plan to OC or upgrade to higher end CPU later, like maybe R7 4700X. When the temperature of VRMs of a mobo gets too high on load, it can throttle CPU performance or crash the system, as evident with Asus Prime B550 test on R9 3950X OC (2nd pic below). The B350 Tomahawk can be considered as a good indicator for cheap B450 mobos. As said earlier, India has higher ambient temps, so higher temps. But IMO, for R5 3600 or R7, even a cheap Gigabyte B550 DS3H is enough, costs just under 10k. Get MSI B550M Pro VDH WiFi (13.5k) if you want that inbuilt WiFi 5GHz module along with better VRMs.
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Source: Hardware Unboxed

@OP - I too have been trying config (for myself) for similar budget (nearly) and I had shortlisted this config:

1. CPU-AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - Rs. 17,300/-
2. MoBo: Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite - Rs. 15,450/-
3. RAM: ADATA 2x8GB @ 3600MHz - Rs. 9,850/-
4. CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 212 - Rs. 2,825/-
5. VGA: Asus 5700XT (3 fans) - Rs. 38,785/-
6. Cabinet: Corsair iCUE 220T - Rs. 7,850/-
7. PSU: Corsair CX650M -Rs. 6,800/-
8. SSD: Corsair MP600 500GB - Rs. 11,800/-
9. HDD: Seagate Firecuda 2TB - Rs. 8,800/-

Total: Rs. 1,19,460/-

All prices are from online sources (vedant, primeabgb etc.) and hence they may change at actual shops. I would prefer Noctua cooler over Hyper212 but they are unavailable.

See if this config suits you too...

Check my earlier post. Aorus Elite isn't exactly great. MSI has had some after sales issues but their new mobos are pretty good. That MSI B550M Pro VDH WiFi is 13.5k at some stores. Other than that RAM is bit expensive, ok if its RGB.

Rest looks good. If you can wait for 4-5 months, wait for next-gen GPUs. Rumours say up to 50% jump in performance for same price. Realistically, even a 25% jump is a big one, that will put an RTX 3060 at RTX 2070S like performance.

 

[whitestar_999]

SSD: Corsair MP600 500GB - Rs. 11,800/-

Don't overspend on this ssd unless you know the exact reason, get one of these instead:

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/wd-blue-sn550-1tb-m-2-pci-express-3-0-x4-nvme-ssd-wds100t2b0c/

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/adata-xpg-512gb-sx8200-pro-pcie-gen3x4-m-2-2280-ssd-asx8200pnp-512gt-c/

 

[monkey]

Check my earlier post. Aorus Elite isn't exactly great. MSI has had some after sales issues but their new mobos are pretty good. That MSI B550M Pro VDH WiFi is 13.5k at some stores. Other than that RAM is bit expensive, ok if its RGB.

Rest looks good. If you can wait for 4-5 months, wait for next-gen GPUs. Rumours say up to 50% jump in performance for same price. Realistically, even a 25% jump is a big one, that will put an RTX 3060 at RTX 2070S like performance.

Like I said the prices are from websites so they can be bit on a higher side as compared to local shops.
As for GPU I think nVidia will launching RTX 3090 and RTX 3080 first. RTX 3070 and lower cads will come later. This can take more than 4-5 months to reach India and the prices will be definitely on the higher side (just my guess). So it depends on the OP if he considers it worth waiting for it.

Don't overspend on this ssd unless you know the exact reason, get one of these instead:

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/wd-blue-sn550-1tb-m-2-pci-express-3-0-x4-nvme-ssd-wds100t2b0c/

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/adata-xpg-512gb-sx8200-pro-pcie-gen3x4-m-2-2280-ssd-asx8200pnp-512gt-c/

I too found it on higher side and hence haven't finalised it. I am waiting for Samsung to come up with new drives optimised for PCIe 4.0. Current generation Gen 4.0 SSDs look like work in progress but again they are optional for the OP. BTW I had bought WD Black SN750 SSD for a system I assembled last month (though I wanted ADATA SX8200 PRO but was hard to find at Nehru Place). Availability of components is still scarce due to COVID situation.

 

[omega44-xt]

Don't overspend on this ssd unless you know the exact reason, get one of these instead:

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/wd-blue-sn550-1tb-m-2-pci-express-3-0-x4-nvme-ssd-wds100t2b0c/

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/adata-xpg-512gb-sx8200-pro-pcie-gen3x4-m-2-2280-ssd-asx8200pnp-512gt-c/

I totally missed that.

 

[omega44-xt]

Like I said the prices are from websites so they can be bit on a higher side as compared to local shops.
As for GPU I think nVidia will launching RTX 3090 and RTX 3080 first. RTX 3070 and lower cads will come later. This can take more than 4-5 months to reach India and the prices will be definitely on the higher side (just my guess). So it depends on the OP if he considers it worth waiting for it.



I too found it on higher side and hence haven't finalised it. I am waiting for Samsung to come up with new drives optimised for PCIe 4.0. Current generation Gen 4.0 SSDs look like work in progress but again they are optional for the OP. BTW I had bought WD Black SN750 SSD for a system I assembled last month (though I wanted ADATA SX8200 PRO but was hard to find at Nehru Place). Availability of components is still scarce due to COVID situation.

That's why I said 4-5 months as well. Latest rumours put RTX 3060 at $400, so 35k in India maybe. Wait till Sep at least. Check the improvements that top tier RTX GPUs bring when their reviews are out. Many rumours put a huge jump in performance with next-gen GPUs, like 10xx series was compared to 9xx.

The real life difference between PCIe 3.0 & 4.0 SSDs are negligible. SATA is just a bit behind but on sales you can grab good PCIe 3.0 SSD for SATA like prices. There are many youtube videos comparing load times between HDD, SATA, PCIe 3.0 & 4.0 SSD.

 

[monkey]

That's why I said 4-5 months as well. Latest rumours put RTX 3060 at $400, so 35k in India maybe. Wait till Sep at least. Check the improvements that top tier RTX GPUs bring when their reviews are out. Many rumours put a huge jump in performance with next-gen GPUs, like 10xx series was compared to 9xx.

That means @OP will have to wait till Dec-Jan for his new config and by then AMD would announce Ryzen 4xxx CPUs and then OP will be tempted to wait for them to come to the market...never ending circle...

 

[omega44-xt]

That means @OP will have to wait till Dec-Jan for his new config and by then AMD would announce Ryzen 4xxx CPUs and then OP will be tempted to wait for them to come to the market...never ending circle...

See, GPU updates happen every 2 years or so with major updates happening every 4 years or so. The upcoming GPUs are the major upgrade. Ryzen 4000 on the other hand is not a big jump, like Ryzen 3000 was. Also, by Dec-Jan even Ryzen 4000 should be out.

It's not a never ending waiting circle unless you know how market & upgrade cycles work. I can just give advice, your choice if you want to wait or not.

If I had to buy a PC for myself, I'd personally wait. Then again I have a laptop for the meantime, not everyone has it, so understandable if you don't wait.

 

[monkey]

I got this config for 85.4k from M.D. Computers:

It excludes GPU and the prices are bit inflated. If @OP can get a little better price then he can add GPU for 40K (later) to stay in the budget.

How does it look?

 

[SaiyanGoku]

I got this config for 85.4k from M.D. Computers:

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It excludes GPU and the prices are bit inflated. If @OP can get a little better price then he can add GPU for 40K (later) to stay in the budget.

How does it look?

Hyper 212 isn't required. 3600X comes with 95W wraith spire.

 

[whitestar_999]

How does it look?

Why spend 9.2k on a hybrid hdd/fake ssd? Should have got a regular 2TB hdd with 240gb ssd.

 

[SaiyanGoku]

Why spend 9.2k on a hybrid hdd/fake ssd? Should have got a regular 2TB hdd with 240gb ssd.

Wow, I ignored the price at first but who buys 2 TB internal HDD for 9k?

 

[monkey]

Why spend 9.2k on a hybrid hdd/fake ssd? Should have got a regular 2TB hdd with 240gb ssd.

Actually I initially opted for regular 7200 rpm Seagate HDD for about 4.5k. But its just that Firecuda drives have 5 years warranty instead of 2-years on regular drives. Also I have read some reviews wherein they say that Firecuda 2TB has some performance benefit over regular 7200 rpm drives. Also Firecuda 2TB is available for around 8.2k at Nehru Place.