[need advise] building my box [first phase] @ 20-22k

[gmg9]

Do you need this ? -
Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O

I'm assuming that you need vt-d and vt-x. Now first of all I'll not recommend fx bulldozer processors . They are a failure (leaving 4core ). Getting 2nd or 3rd gen intel i5 will be a far better choice. Now is this right ? - 22k ->psu,mobo,cpu and ram

yes. i need both vt-d and vt-x.
but with amd cpu, i can run more than 5+ VMs at the same time without any prob or lag. and as intel i5 with 4 cores, i can run maximum 3-4 VMs at the same time. i am still reading some article n reviews on virtualization intel vs amd..
22k > cpu,mobo,ram,cabinet+psu.
and also i was not aware dat i hav to buy a seperate coolong system fr the cpu also ..

amd fx processors don't have integrated graphics like intel.it is there in their mobos.also read this because it may not be a good choice for you to go with intel for virtualization.
[Phoronix] Ubuntu 12.04 KVM/Xen Virtualization: Intel vs. AMD

will look in to that. thx..

One more thing , no "k" processors have vt-d so , here you save on cpu cooler and mobo
Now these are the processors with both vt-x and vt-d -
i5-2400 , i5-2500 , i5-3470, i5-3550,and i5 3570 (I've not mentioned p processors because they have integrated gpu and also which are not in the list are s and t. They save power but go down in performance ; not significantly )
Now that there are no k processors , get a mobo around 3-4k as there will be no overclocking

ok .. thx..
one thing i dont understand, wats exactly wrong with this AMD cpus. why people dont still recomend them. is there really anything wrong ??
as in my case, i was looking at the cores which i will be needed for VT. but hav read some reviews where they also suggest to go with i5 2500k. dont get it

 

[whitestar_999]

intel "k" edition/overclockable processor does not support vt-d.non-k processor like i5 2400 support vt-d in combination with a compatible vt-d supporting mobo(& bios) which luckily B75 is.
Desktop Boards — Compatibility with Intel® Virtualization Technology (Intel® VT)
*download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-b75m-d3h_e.pdf
btw is vt-d support that much essential to you.i don't think it has much use for an average/normal/consumer setup & seems more suited to a dedicated server type setup where lots of VMs need to be allotted various hardware devices.also it require support from virtualization software as well as hardware device driver.anyway it seems that my earlier suggestion of i5 2400+gigabyte B75 is good for vt-d too.there is nothing wrong with amd FX series.it is just that performance wise they are usually behind or just equal to amd's own older phenom II x4/x6 series with more power consumption & heat.also with amd too there are issues with vt-d most notably that even if all amd fx processors support vt-d all mobos don't & it is difficult to search for amd mobos which truly support vt-d because even if the motherboard supports vt-d it will also need a bios to enable this feature.i think vt-d is not worth the money & effort to setup for a regular/home usage scenario.either get i5 2400 combo or get 8120+mobo like 880G.

 

[gmg9]

intel i5 3470 (3rd gen) with HD 2500 = 12800 INR (consider if MoBo comes cheap)
intel i5 3550 (3rd gen) with HD 2500 = 13300 INR (consider if MoBo comes cheap)
intel i5 3570 (3rd gen) with HD 2500 = 14310 INR (cross my budget)

wats the diffrences between this CPUs ??
and can anyone plz tell me wats with Intel's 4 physical cores + 4 logical. is that mean i5 4 core CPUs hav 8 cores ??

intel "k" edition/overclockable processor does not support vt-d.non-k processor like i5 2400 support vt-d in combination with a compatible vt-d supporting mobo(& bios) which luckily B75 is.
Desktop Boards — Compatibility with Intel® Virtualization Technology (Intel® VT)
*download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-b75m-d3h_e.pdf
btw is vt-d support that much essential to you.i don't think it has much use for an average/normal/consumer setup & seems more suited to a dedicated server type setup where lots of VMs need to be allotted various hardware devices.also it require support from virtualization software as well as hardware device driver.anyway it seems that my earlier suggestion of i5 2400+gigabyte B75 is good for vt-d too.

it will not be a dedicated VMs server or something like that. but i will use it for my own research. i hav a seperate high rig for the dedicated VMs.
so, yea .. i will be not be using VT-d dat much..

 

[whitestar_999]

edited my earlier post.now my suggestion is get i5 2400 since you already have a dedicated rig for VM.

 

[gmg9]

edited my earlier post.now my suggestion is get i5 2400 since you already have a dedicated rig for VM.

will is run directX 11 ?
where will i get the cheapest online deal ?

 

[vkl]

Intel's VT-x = AMD V and VT-d=AMD IOMMU
Both fx8150/8120 have AMD V and IOMMU.
IOMMU depends upon the chipset.Motherboards built around 970,990X,990fx chipsets have IOMMU implemented on it.These motherboards don't have on-board graphics.
880G chipset has on-board graphics but doesn't support IOMMU.

@gmg9
If you are not into overclocking then additional cooling is not required for fx8150/8120 processors.They run much cooler than sandy bridge i5 2400.
If you want IOMMU/VT-d and more cores then you can go with fx8120@9.5k+gigabyte 970a-ud3@6k+gt 210(for display for the time being)@1.5k.
Else you can go with i5 2400.


i5 2xxx/3xxx=4C/4T C=cores T=threads
i7 2xxx/3xxx=4C/8T
i5 2xxx/3xxx don't have hyper-threading.

 

[whitestar_999]

dx11 is included with windows 7.it is os feature & does not depend upon processor.

 

[gmg9]

Intel's VT-x = AMD V and VT-d=AMD IOMMU
Both fx8150/8120 have AMD V and IOMMU.
IOMMU depends upon the chipset.Motherboards built around 970,990X,990fx chipsets have IOMMU implemented on it.These motherboards don't have on-board graphics.
880G chipset has on-board graphics but doesn't support IOMMU.

@gmg9
If you are not into overclocking then additional cooling is not required for fx8150/8120 processors.They run much cooler than sandy bridge i5 2400.
If you want IOMMU/VT-d and more cores then you can go with fx8120@9.5k+gigabyte 970a-ud3@6k+gt 210(for display for the time being)@1.5k.
Else you can go with i5 2400.


i5 2xxx/3xxx=4C/4T C=cores T=threads
i7 2xxx/3xxx=4C/8T
i5 2xxx/3xxx don't have hyper-threading.

thx a lot for this clarification
and am not into overclocking.
how abt that AMD FX 6100 cpu ? it has 6 cores (which mostly i required) and price is also within 8k.

 

[whitestar_999]

i5 2400 is much faster than fx-6100 & just because 6100 has 6 cores doesn't mean it will be much faster than 4 core i5 2400 in virtualization except maybe in certain extreme cases.my suggestion is still i5 2400 because overall it is faster.

 

[hitesh]

intel i5 3470 (3rd gen) with HD 2500 = 12800 INR (consider if MoBo comes cheap)
intel i5 3550 (3rd gen) with HD 2500 = 13300 INR (consider if MoBo comes cheap)
intel i5 3570 (3rd gen) with HD 2500 = 14310 INR (cross my budget)

These 3 are almost same except the slight diff in frequencies.
3470 - 3.2ghz
3550 - 3.3ghz
3570 - 3.4ghz
Get 2400 or 3470. No need to go for 3550 or 3570

thx a lot for this clarification
and am not into overclocking.
how abt that AMD FX 6100 cpu ? it has 6 cores (which mostly i required) and price is also within 8k.

Still intel over amd. i5 will be better not only in virtualization but in gaming too.
It is a win-win situation

will is run directX 11 ?
where will i get the cheapest online deal ?

Try flipkart , ebay , primeabgb , bwindia , theitware , theitdepot etc
There are many websites. You'll have to research on this

 

[vkl]

@ gmg9
If you are more into Virtualisation,run multiple VMs simultaneously or run intensive applications inside VM which requires more cores then fx8150/8120's 8 cores would be handy and better.If you don't require that many core utilisation at a time then i5 2400 is better and faster.
fx6100 is not that good an option because it is slower.Also difference between fx8120 and fx6100 is only 1.5k.

 

[gmg9]

this is the type of VMs i will be running........
1. mysql5 in centos6
2. oracle 10g//11g in centos
3. solaris 10
4. freebsd 6/8
5. windows server 2003/2008
6. apache, iis, dns-dhcp etc..
7. openldap, active directory
8. ubuntu
9. suse enterprize 10/11
10. debian6

host will be linux..

so out of the above VMs, atleast 3-4 will be running simultaneously on the linux host.
virtualbox,vmware,xen,kvm all will be used depending on the environment, flxibility n s/w-h/w support.

but all this for my own learning n development purpose.

so i need a cpu which dont get that much HOT n UnStable. can handly load of this VMs. can be long lasting n future proof. i dont need overclocking. bt vt-d will be a added advantage as i will be using it bt not that much.

@ gmg9
If you are more into Virtualisation,run multiple VMs simultaneously or run intensive applications inside VM which requires more cores then fx8150/8120's 8 cores would be handy and better.If you don't require that many core utilisation at a time then i5 2400 is better and faster.
fx6100 is not that good an option because it is slower.Also difference between fx8120 and fx6100 is only 1.5k.

i am hearing a lot about fx8120/8150 for virtualization. i think i need to research more on this CPUs. as i hav red some bad reviews too regarding leakage n temp.
thx a lot for ur help

i5 2400 is much faster than fx-6100 & just because 6100 has 6 cores doesn't mean it will be much faster than 4 core i5 2400 in virtualization except maybe in certain extreme cases.my suggestion is still i5 2400 because overall it is faster.

ok. thx. will not be buying fx6100 then.

 

[whitestar_999]

if i am not mistaken even when running 3-4VMs simultaneously as long as they are idle(no cpu intensive process simultaneously in all VMs) a fast quad core like intel should be able to handle them smoothly.

 

[gmg9]

thx @hitesh for ur help..

is 3470 has any good advantages over 2400 ? except 22nm, 65w and little extra clock speed

will 2400 inetrated hd 2000 gfx run few multiplayer type games ? not those hifi games, but games like halo, cod etc..

yea, i will do more research on the price. will hav to look in the offline market too. will let u know.

if i am not mistaken even when running 3-4VMs simultaneously as long as they are idle(no cpu intensive process simultaneously in all VMs) a fast quad core like intel should be able to handle them smoothly.

yes. if they stay idle. but in my case it will not always happen. for example, and even if i run 4 VMs simultaneously, then there will be no more core(cpu) left for the host os.

 

[hitesh]

is 3470 has any good advantages over 2400 ? except 22nm, 65w and little extra clock speed

Yes integrated graphics. 3470 has hd2500 and 2400 has hd2000.
AnandTech - Intel Core i5 3470 Review: HD 2500 Graphics Tested

I have g620 and I can play cod at low-med settings.
Can't say about halo , have only played halo 1.

 

[vkl]

@gmg9
if you are running more VMs simultaneously and require more core usage then fx8120/8150 is a much better option.
If we take overclocking out of account ...the fx8150/8120 run cooler even if they consume more power.

 

[Minion]

yea.. if i go for amd i hav to buy a seperate gfx card. this cpu looks good to me too. but do i really need a 8 core cpu?
4-6 core will be good for me ,i guess. is there any good intel cpu for that ?

plz also suggest a good compatible mobo for da cpu. and wat cabinet n psu i will go for ?

If you can spend why buy weak component and regret later.

after reading some reviews .... (prices r frm FK)

amd fx 8120 = 8 cores. NO integrated gfx [10k INR]
amd fx 8150 = 8 cores with Integrated gfx [12k INR]

both can be overclocked (which i may not do). BUT for both, i hav to buy a good cpu cooling system which will cost me another 2k.
and if i buy 8120, then again i hav to buy a separate gfx card. cheapest good decent will cost me 3-5k.

now am not sure how good is the 8150 inbuilt gfx n its performance... can u guys hav any say on this ??

wat abt FX 6100 = 6 cores with integrated gfx [7900 INR] ??

intel i5 2320 = 4 cores with Integrated gfx (no overclock) [11k INR]
intel i5 2400 = 4 cores with Integrated gfx (no overclock) [11700 INR]
intel i5 2500 = 4 cores with Integrated gfx HD 2000 (no overclock) [12600 INR]

4 cores and with integrated gfx. NO overclocking (i dnt bother). not sure if i hav to buy a seperate cooling system !!
so if i go with this CPUs i dont need to buy a extra gfx card which will save me around 3k.

intel 2500k = 4 cores with Integrated gfx HD 3000 (overclock-able) [13500 INR]
only advantage is, its overclockable. good integrated gfx.

my main need is virtualization, and then gaming.

plz suggest components, according to the CPU. this will help to choose the best possible rig for me. PLZ dont bother abt the budget. i may increase it.

CPU: amd fx8150
MoBo:
RAM:
GFX:
Cabinet:
PSU:
Cooling system:
any other:

CPU: amd fx8120
MoBo:
RAM:
GFX:
Cabinet:
PSU:
Cooling system:
any other:

CPU: intel i5 2400
MoBo:
RAM:
GFX:
Cabinet:
PSU:
Cooling system:
any other:

CPU: intel i5 2500
MoBo:
RAM:
GFX:
Cabinet:
PSU:
Cooling system:
any other:

thx a lot for all your help frnds. getting really good info n help from u guys...

FX 8120/8150 don't have graphics integrated into cpu but is integrated with motherboard so need to buy separate GPU You can expect a 4 series ati GPU far better than intel HD series.