pranav11.tiwari

Right off the assembly line
I am considering to buy Lenovo Ideapad Z510(i7 varient) (http://www.thedostore.com/laptops/ideapad-laptops/z510-with-hybrid-drive-back-lit-keyboard.html)
Will it be a wise choice to buy this laptop?
I am on a tight budget of 60k(not even 1 rupee more)...I am a computer engineering student & i'll use my laptop for gaming too..
Please do reply
Thanx in advance
 

AbhMkh

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I am considering to buy Lenovo Ideapad Z510(i7 varient) (Z510 (with hybrid drive & back lit keyboard) - Ideapad - Laptops | Lenovo India | The DO Store)
Will it be a wise choice to buy this laptop?
I am on a tight budget of 60k(not even 1 rupee more)...I am a computer engineering student & i'll use my laptop for gaming too..
Please do reply
Thanx in advance


Read this and you will get to know what you should buy(Especially the Benchmarks section)

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/lap...dell-inspiron-15r-5537-review-benchmarks.html


Cheers!
Abhijit
 

Samarth 619

Modrator @ Xbhp Biking
Try getting this one: Samsung NP550P5C-S05IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci7/ 8GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Rs.62792 Price in India - Buy Samsung NP550P5C-S05IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci7/ 8GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Silver Online - Samsung: Flipkart.com

Don't go by Flipkart pricing, it can be lesser in some other stores. Not only does this laptop have one of the best rated mobile processors available (3630QM), but it also has a Blue Ray Drive which is very rare. Its a gaming laptop.

A bit of a problem for gaming is small directional keys, but anyways mostly we use WASD in today's games, so not a big deal.


Just remember that while its processor is 3rd gen, it might be cheaper, but the Intel Graphics (graphics for older games, & graphics when power cord is not plugged in) is not that advanced compared to newer "4xxx" series i7 processors...
Nevertheless this is a good processor and has better overall performance than some Mobile Haswells too.

Correct me if I'm wrong....
 

seamon

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Try getting this one: Samsung NP550P5C-S05IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci7/ 8GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Rs.62792 Price in India - Buy Samsung NP550P5C-S05IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci7/ 8GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Silver Online - Samsung: Flipkart.com

Don't go by Flipkart pricing, it can be lesser in some other stores. Not only does this laptop have one of the best rated mobile processors available (3630QM), but it also has a Blue Ray Drive which is very rare. Its a gaming laptop.

A bit of a problem for gaming is small directional keys, but anyways mostly we use WASD in today's games, so not a big deal.


Just remember that while its processor is 3rd gen, it might be cheaper, but the Intel Graphics (graphics for older games, & graphics when power cord is not plugged in) is not that advanced compared to newer "4xxx" series i7 processors...
Nevertheless this is a good processor and has better overall performance than some Mobile Haswells too.

Correct me if I'm wrong....
OK that last post raised a lot of eyebrows on my part.

That's not a gaming laptop.
A gaming laptop is one which can run all current at games at detail settings very high to ultra. That one will struggle at mid(le Crysis 3 + COH 2).
You don't need a BluRay drive for gaming. It doesn't have a FHD panel so a BluRay drive is essentially wasted.
That laptop has a dedicated graphics card so the quality of Intel Integrated graphics is not important.

If you wanna play games in a laptop go by the dedicated video card it has. Dell Inspiron 15 has a better one(AMD 8850M).

Most importantly, that freakin thing has been freakin discontinued. It's current alternative has a core i5 proccy.

#GetYoFactsRightBeforePosting.

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Also when playing games on battery, the dedicated card still works, if it is set in power management, but with lower frequency.
 

kkn13

Cyber Genius FTW
OK that last post raised a lot of eyebrows on my part.

That's not a gaming laptop.
A gaming laptop is one which can run all current at games at detail settings very high to ultra. That one will struggle at mid(le Crysis 3 + COH 2).
You don't need a BluRay drive for gaming. It doesn't have a FHD panel so a BluRay drive is essentially wasted.
That laptop has a dedicated graphics card so the quality of Intel Integrated graphics is not important.

If you wanna play games in a laptop go by the dedicated video card it has. Dell Inspiron 15 has a better one(AMD 8850M).

Most importantly, that freakin thing has been freakin discontinued. It's current alternative has a core i5 proccy.

#GetYoFactsRightBeforePosting.

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Also when playing games on battery, the dedicated card still works, if it is set in power management, but with lower frequency.

Also avoid Samsung laptops they have a whole load of issues such as overheating etc and the case isn't good at all
I bought a dell inspiron 7520 and sold my Samsung for the same reason plus ,Samsung even had the weird bios brick issue and the service centre was terrible and refused to help
Get the 7537 or the Lenovo z510 they are the best laptops in that budget and don't worry abt performance etc they both perform similarly and get the feel of the laptops at any showroom before purchasing
Hope I helped :)

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[MENTION=248727]seamon[/MENTION] not necessarily actually I use leshcats 13.1 v2 and it is the best driver for my 7520 at the moment
It has this option called power play which wasn't giving control to switching GPUs in the oem drivers
In leshcats driver however the switching was totally in my control and I can play gta 4 on high at 30+ fps and crisis also at high
 
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seamon

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Also avoid Samsung laptops they have a whole load of issues such as overheating etc and the case isn't good at all
I bought a dell inspiron 7520 and sold my Samsung for the same reason plus ,Samsung even had the weird bios brick issue and the service centre was terrible and refused to help
Get the 7537 or the Lenovo z510 they are the best laptops in that budget and don't worry abt performance etc they both perform similarly and get the feel of the laptops at any showroom before purchasing
Hope I helped :)

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@seamon not necessarily actually I use leshcats 13.1 v2 and it is the best driver for my 7520 at the moment
It has this option called power play which wasn't giving control to switching GPUs in the oem drivers
In leshcats driver however the switching was totally in my control and I can play gta 4 on high at 30+ fps and crisis 3 also at high

yep I was talking about powerplay. It allows gameplay and other things using the dedicated card when on battery.
and about those benchmarks:-

IMPOSSIBRU!!

AMD Radeon 7730 can't possibly run Crysis 3 on high. It can't even give a 30 FPS in Mass Effect 3 in Ultra. GTA IV is an extremely poorly optimized game and one can't predict on which computer it'll run good.

Inspiron 15 7537 and Lenovo Z510 are two completely different laptops. Gaming on Dell one is better owing to it's powerful GPU whereas multi-tasking on Lenovo one is better owing to it's powerful CPU.
 
Samsung laptops had overheating issues but it's completely resolved in the newer models.


Dell's i7 ulv may bottleneck its GPU, it gives inconsistent performance. Also all games are optimised for NVIDIA cards.
My vote goes for Z500,also because of its anti glare display
 

AbhMkh

Ambassador of Buzz
Samsung laptops had overheating issues but it's completely resolved in the newer models.


Dell's i7 ulv may bottleneck its GPU, it gives inconsistent performance. Also all games are optimised for NVIDIA cards.
My vote goes for Z500,also because of its anti glare display

Dell's laptop with a "weak" ULV CPU also beats the crap out of Z510(4700mq/740m) and Hp envy 15(4200m/740m) in every synthetic/gaming benchmark known to man(except the CPU one's which is understandable), so if the OP wants to buy an inferior laptop...please go ahead.

Also I do expect a reasonable level of research from people before they make such declarative statements.

Cheers!
Abhijit
 

Samarth 619

Modrator @ Xbhp Biking
OK that last post raised a lot of eyebrows on my part.

That's not a gaming laptop.
A gaming laptop is one which can run all current at games at detail settings very high to ultra. That one will struggle at mid(le Crysis 3 + COH 2).
You don't need a BluRay drive for gaming. It doesn't have a FHD panel so a BluRay drive is essentially wasted.
That laptop has a dedicated graphics card so the quality of Intel Integrated graphics is not important.

If you wanna play games in a laptop go by the dedicated video card it has. Dell Inspiron 15 has a better one(AMD 8850M).

Most importantly, that freakin thing has been freakin discontinued. It's current alternative has a core i5 proccy.

#GetYoFactsRightBeforePosting.

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Also when playing games on battery, the dedicated card still works, if it is set in power management, but with lower frequency.
A friend of mine sourced this very laptop about 2 months ago. From where, I'll have to check. He lives in Mumbai so I'll have to check its performance personally. Now, I don't own a shop so I have no idea if its in market or not.

BD Drive is not just for movies. Its the future man. And what about HDMI? I use it regularly to watch movies with family. I too have a 1366x768 display in my laptop.

And secondly, the original poster posted "I am a computer engineering student & i'll use my laptop for gaming too..".
Gaming appears to be secondary here, and computer engineering primary. It seems processing power matters more here. Like for programming, etc.
Not everyone plays games at highest settings on a laptop, as no laptop matches a similarly priced desktop, you know that. Compare a 50k desktop to a 50k laptop and see which is faster...


The rest of your info may be right. Thanks for correcting me, but correcting new members in your job, isn't it, Senior member?
#IfIPostEverythingCorrectYouWillBecomeIdle&Useless
Sorry buddy. :D
 

seamon

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A friend of mine sourced this very laptop about 2 months ago. From where, I'll have to check. He lives in Mumbai so I'll have to check its performance personally. Now, I don't own a shop so I have no idea if its in market or not.

BD Drive is not just for movies. Its the future man. And what about HDMI? I use it regularly to watch movies with family. I too have a 1366x768 display in my laptop.

And secondly, the original poster posted "I am a computer engineering student & i'll use my laptop for gaming too..".
Gaming appears to be secondary here, and computer engineering primary. It seems processing power matters more here. Like for programming, etc.
Not everyone plays games at highest settings on a laptop, as no laptop matches a similarly priced desktop, you know that. Compare a 50k desktop to a 50k laptop and see which is faster...


The rest of your info may be right. Thanks for correcting me, but correcting new members in your job, isn't it, Senior member?
#IfIPostEverythingCorrectYouWillBecomeIdle&Useless
Sorry buddy. :D

Even if you don't own a shop you could have at least checked your link to see if it is available or not.

the new model is:-
Samsung NP550P5C-S06IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci5/ 6GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Rs.56490 Price in India - Buy Samsung NP550P5C-S06IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci5/ 6GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Silver Online - Samsung: Flipkart.com

The blue ray drive is not worth sacrificing a good GPU+good CPU which is better for "the future". The OP has not even mentioned that he is gonna use it for watching movies that's why one should fill the Questionnaire. Maybe the OP doesn't even own a FHD panel TV so a BD drive is essentially wasted.

A laptop gives 40-50% performance of a similarly priced desktop, but with it comes massive portability. And why are you considering core i7 4500U in a Dell Inspiron 15 a super underdog? It packs quite a punch and is more than enough for all programming needs. Gaming Performance is where it matters which is one of the 2 tasks the OP mentioned and the GPU of the Dell Inspiron 15 can is a quite capable one. Besides the Samsung one is inferior to Dell one in all aspects(even processor) save for the HD+(not FHD) panel and the "useful" BD drive.

Next time please cross check your information before posting.
 
Dell's laptop with a "weak" ULV CPU also beats the crap out of Z510(4700mq/740m) and Hp envy 15(4200m/740m) in every synthetic/gaming benchmark known to man(except the CPU one's which is understandable), so if the OP wants to buy an inferior laptop...please go ahead.

Also I do expect a reasonable level of research from people before they make such declarative statements.

Cheers!
Abhijit

Even if you don't own a shop you could have at least checked your link to see if it is available or not.

the new model is:-
Samsung NP550P5C-S06IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci5/ 6GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Rs.56490 Price in India - Buy Samsung NP550P5C-S06IN Laptop (3rd Gen Ci5/ 6GB/ 1TB/ Win8/ 2GB Graph) Silver Online - Samsung: Flipkart.com

The blue ray drive is not worth sacrificing a good GPU+good CPU which is better for "the future". The OP has not even mentioned that he is gonna use it for watching movies that's why one should fill the Questionnaire. Maybe the OP doesn't even own a FHD panel TV so a BD drive is essentially wasted.

A laptop gives 40-50% performance of a similarly priced desktop, but with it comes massive portability. And why are you considering core i7 4500U in a Dell Inspiron 15 a super underdog? It packs quite a punch and is more than enough for all programming needs. Gaming Performance is where it matters which is one of the 2 tasks the OP mentioned and the GPU of the Dell Inspiron 15 can is a quite capable one. Besides the Samsung one is inferior to Dell one in all aspects(even processor) save for the HD+(not FHD) panel and the "useful" BD drive.

Next time please cross check your information before posting.

That Samsung one surely is better than Dell...........
GT650M beats 8850M (check notebookcheck)
It also has Anti glare display with better resolution & also JBL 2.1 system(which is pretty good)

i5 3230M is better than i7 4500U (both are dual cores), in terms of performance (only by a bit though)
Still overall, S06 is better

But many people think Samsung as they think about Micromax is mobiles......... I would like to say that its not the case. You don't have ADP & onsite warranty as Dell & Lenovo, but service isn't pathetic. Its good enough. Only complaint is that they take a bit long for servicing(It took about 3 weeks to replace my friend's faulty RAM)

Really check that guide, will you guys !!!
 
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seamon

Superhuman Spambot
That Samsung one surely is better than Dell...........
GT650M beats 8850M (check notebookcheck)
It also has Anti glare display with better resolution & also JBL 2.1 system(which is pretty good)

i5 3230M is better than i7 4500U (both are dual cores), in terms of performance (only by a bit though)
Still overall, S06 is better

But many people think Samsung as they think about Micromax is mobiles......... I would like to say that its not the case. You don't have ADP & onsite warranty as Dell & Lenovo, but service isn't pathetic. Its good enough. Only complaint is that they take a bit long for servicing(It took about 3 weeks to replace my friend's faulty RAM)

Really check that guide, will you guys !!!

Not everyone likes anti-glare matte display. It's a matter of personal opinion. IMO Glossy screen are much better indoors. Besides OP hasn't mentioned if he wants matte or glossy. Another reason why one should fill the freakin damn Questionnaire.
Speakers......point noted.

The Dell Inspiron 15 defeats a laptop with GT 650M with a quad core i7 single handedly, as experimented in this thread by me and Abhijeet. As an owner of both 8850M and GT 650M laptops I can confirm that gaming is 10-15% better(think BF 4, Last Light) on AMD 8850M. Overclocking you say? You don't wanna restart Samsung heating issues do you?
i5 3230M is 0.02%(quoted from CPU benchmark website) better in performance but overall the core i7 4500U is much better as it consumes less than half TDP of the core i5 one(35w vs 15w).

With Dell comes it's Legendary ADP and After Sales Service. I still think Dell Inspiron 15 is better. With this I rest my case.
 

AbhMkh

Ambassador of Buzz
Not everyone likes anti-glare matte display. It's a matter of personal opinion. IMO Glossy screen are much better indoors. Besides OP hasn't mentioned if he wants matte or glossy. Another reason why one should fill the freakin damn Questionnaire.
Speakers......point noted.

The Dell Inspiron 15 defeats a laptop with GT 650M with a quad core i7 single handedly, as experimented in this thread by me and Abhijeet. As an owner of both 8850M and GT 650M laptops I can confirm that gaming is 10-15% better(think BF 4, Last Light) on AMD 8850M. Overclocking you say? You don't wanna restart Samsung heating issues do you?
i5 3230M is 0.02%(quoted from CPU benchmark website) better in performance but overall the core i7 4500U is much better as it consumes less than half TDP of the core i5 one(35w vs 15w).

With Dell comes it's Legendary ADP and After Sales Service. I still think Dell Inspiron 15 is better. With this I rest my case.

Also, the GT650M inside the samsung laptop is the gddr3 version and not the gddr5 version found in an earlier version of Y500, so its gaming performance will be much worse than the 8850M because of the poor memory bandwidth.(28 gbps compared to 64 gbps of the 8850m)
 

seamon

Superhuman Spambot
Also, the GT650M inside the samsung laptop is the gddr3 version and not the gddr5 version found in an earlier version of Y500, so its gaming performance will be much worse than the 8850M because of the poor memory bandwidth.(28 gbps compared to 64 gbps of the 8850m)

Don't forget battery life. Dell one has double to triple(?) battery life of the samsung one.
 
Don't forget battery life. Dell one has double to triple(?) battery life of the samsung one.

I don't think it would be even double....... Samsung gives 4 hours in normal usage i.e browsing web, editing docs @ less than 50% screen brightness.

Glossy screen has better colour reproduction than matte one but during day time even at indoor, i find my screen very reflective even with window placed behind my laptop's screen (2m away). My friend uses his Samsung laptop at 30% brightness with light directly falling on his laptop's screen. At that time i wish my Y500 had anti glare display
 

seamon

Superhuman Spambot
I don't think it would be even double....... Samsung gives 4 hours in normal usage i.e browsing web, editing docs @ less than 50% screen brightness.

Glossy screen has better colour reproduction than matte one but during day time even at indoor, i find my screen very reflective even with window placed behind my laptop's screen (2m away). My friend uses his Samsung laptop at 30% brightness with light directly falling on his laptop's screen. At that time i wish my Y500 had anti glare display

My old laptop has anti-glare matte display but I like the glossy one better.

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Dell gives upto 12 hours of battery life on minimum usage. Normal usage should at least dish out 7-8 hours easy.
 

$hadow

Geek in making
My old laptop has anti-glare matte display but I like the glossy one better.

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Dell gives upto 12 hours of battery life on minimum usage. Normal usage should at least dish out 7-8 hours easy.

Are you sure about this. Since all I know that people around me having dell laptops says it is never more than 5 hours. About which laptop to be precise are you talking about??
And why the hell people do not fill the questionnaire. It is for their help. A random query and the person is gone and the members lead into some weird discussion.
 

seamon

Superhuman Spambot
Are you sure about this. Since all I know that people around me having dell laptops says it is never more than 5 hours. About which laptop to be precise are you talking about??
And why the hell people do not fill the questionnaire. It is for their help. A random query and the person is gone and the members lead into some weird discussion.

Read it here.

Review Dell Inspiron 15-7537 Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

This thread turned into a Samsung vs Dell war.
 

kkn13

Cyber Genius FTW
yep I was talking about powerplay. It allows gameplay and other things using the dedicated card when on battery.
and about those benchmarks:-

IMPOSSIBRU!!

AMD Radeon 7730 can't possibly run Crysis 3 on high. It can't even give a 30 FPS in Mass Effect 3 in Ultra. GTA IV is an extremely poorly optimized game and one can't predict on which computer it'll run good.

Inspiron 15 7537 and Lenovo Z510 are two completely different laptops. Gaming on Dell one is better owing to it's powerful GPU whereas multi-tasking on Lenovo one is better owing to it's powerful CPU.

i can post proof u are underestimating the 7730m its the best ddr3 gpu overall
as for mass effect 3 on ultra i get 33fps stable
crisis on high is also very playable at 29+ fps (rare drops to 26-27)
as for gta 4 i can max it out and play on my 46" bravia too and still get 35+fps
i own the laptop i know better about its performance
 
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