create your own thread and continue there.What if all the Indian citizens are told to move to the moon ?
So,
What are the pros and cons can you imagine if our judiciary system were fully based on these texts?
have to give em one thing, they had all the time to understand the basic human condition, without any distractionsevolution is a key for survivality and advancement. if some people want to stick to the 1000s of years old sutras and refuse to explore the new, then may god help them.![]()
yesDo these texts explicitly have laws mentioned in them ?
well, it actually is, at least for Hindus
what we call outdated British laws are actually waaay outdated Roman laws from thousands of years ago, example: "outraging modesty of woman"
I think it would be great if people actually understood what is going on, it is not that hard, and very, very natural
essentially, you do not do bad, or counter natural things
Manusmriti, the various Dharmashastras, Arthashastra and Dharma Smriti are the relevant texts here, apart from the Bhagawat Gita
Also one more thing, not many common people knew about Manusmriti till the British incorporated it into the legal system, which we have inherited.
have to give em one thing, they had all the time to understand the basic human condition, without any distractions
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some of them may not make sense by modern standards, but can be considered as true nevertheless. For example, in a document about good architecture (Vastu Shastra) a good household involves non combative neighbours, obedient wife, and well behaved kids. We might consider it out of the domain, but that is the law.
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYmO4nx1Ht4&t=324
A look at how and when India’s caste system emergedModern historians have better explanations of the hardening of the caste system. They say religious and caste boundaries were relatively fluid in the Mughal and pre-Mughal subcontinent. The advent of the British changed that.
Again,it is the reality that matters not the idealism.That article you linked,just see the 3 comments below where caste system is glorified as better than slavery.Now tell millions of these people that caste system is nothing but a propaganda & result of cherry picking of manusmriti & see how much success you will get.Lol,
change my mind, the Varna system was not a problem before the invaders got here, it is position manufactured over at least a thousand years of propoganda
read some history books on the Delhi Sultanate and Medieval India, can recommend a few if needed, they document the perceptions and propaganda as against the reality
The divide and rule policy of the British Raj stratified the society, encouraging and cementing divisions in caste. Historians have been saying this for years, but to directly get the first hand knowledge, you have to read the books. Anyway, quoting one article here.
A look at how and when India’s caste system emerged
the caste system in its current form, and as it is understood, is not the same as the varna system as it originally was. It was much more fluid than most people imagine it to be.
Also, I believe in the intellectual potential of everyone, and don't change my arguments after evaluating the capacity of anyone. I have said these same things to many, many people, and my position is that the alleged toxic nature of manusmriti is due to cherry-picking some of the lines, and taking it out of context. Have encouraged many people to read it for themselves, and make up their own minds. A good translation is available here: The laws of Manu
Hmmm... in its original form, it was not even a law? Which version are you referring to, Aurobindo or Prabhupada? Or some other one? I hope it is not Prabhupada.Imagine a scenario in today's time if Varnasram was valid today and was a law of land.
The Annihilation of CasteThe Mahatma's view of Varna not only makes nonsense of the Vedic Varna, but it makes it an abominable thing. Varna and Caste are two very different concepts. Varna is based on the principle of each according to his worth, while Caste is based on the principle of each according to his birth. The two are as distinct as chalk is from cheese. In fact there is an antithesis between the two. If the Mahatma believes, as he does, in everyone following his or her ancestral calling, then most certainly he is advocating the Caste System, and in calling it the Varna System he is not only guilty of terminological inexactitude, but he is causing confusion worse confounded.
Yup, you are right in that. Though he strongly rejected the practice of Hinduism at that time, he still had respect for the cluster of people around Swami Dayanand Saraswati, who wanted to revive the original vedic ideologies.Isn't this why even Dr. Ambedkar had given up on Hinduism because he knew it is realistically impossible to eradicate caste system without some major radical steps(which will very likely result in bloodshed) or waiting for a century or two hoping enough scientific progress(gene technology) will eventually end it.
Damn! Could post link to these bombshells here? Would like to read it. Don't know when I might need to speak about these to educate people.Yup, you are right in that. Though he strongly rejected the practice of Hinduism at that time, he still had respect for the cluster of people around Swami Dayanand Saraswati, who wanted to revive the original vedic ideologies.
There are some surprising bombshells in Manusmriti. Off the top of my head, taking or giving dowry was prohibited, and resulted in the loss of your varna.
It is in Chapter 9.Damn! Could post link to these bombshells here? Would like to read it. Don't know when I might need to speak about these to educate people.
Even a Sudra ought not to take a nuptial fee, when he gives away his daughter; for he who takes a fee sell his daughter, covering (the transaction by another name). Neither ancients nor moderns who were good men have done such (a deed) that, after promising (a daughter) to one man, they have her to another; Nor, indeed, have we heard, even in former creations, of such (a thing as) the covert sale of a daughter for a fixed price, called a nuptial fee.