Go Beyond Vista – It's Time to Get a Mac
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kirangp said:
The available applications in mac do all the work you need and they do it in the best way. If you need any app, you can get it from the internet.
yeah. I am famous. kill me.
Windows supporters are trying to escape from virus attack questions saying that windows is popular and hence the virus attacks. Windows security itself is so weak that it's easy to exploit vulns. mac on the other hand is based on FreeBSD Unix. Now, don't say that unix is not popular. It's just that hacking a unix host is extremely difficult and is a near impossible task.
HAHA. what? copy from longhorn. this is the funniest comment I ever heard. Even Bill Gates will laugh and laugh if he hears this.
Hey, I think windows vista is free and what you are paying for is for the special "made-for-microsoft" apps called viruses, bugs, adware, spamware.....
Oh yes. I totally agree with you. microsoft is a victim of it's own popularity. hahaha.
FYI, the size of latest mac desktop is the size of an LCD monitor that you see in PC world. How many such products have you seen? BTW, mac desktops/lappys are futureproof. They are already high end machines that have so much power in them. if you say mac mini, it's a budget PC from apple that costs just 35k and you can carry it anywhere you want to go.
catch what? vista tried a lot to catch apple's tiger OS but still it's no where near Tiger.And with Leopard coming in few months, god save Vista. If I am correct, you are waiting for either SP1 or drivers for you video, audio, vista supported application, getting annoying "allow/deny" UAC warnings. Are you saying that with such a product, MS will catch Apple?
Apple is years ahead of microsoft because
1) They follow the rule "Innovative (forgot the original word here) software companies should design their own hardware"
2) APPLE ecosystem is based on simplicity, stability and beauty.
3) macboys don't get driver issues
4) macboys don't wait service packs. (MS users: SP1 is released, lets wait for SP2 as there are new bugs and compat. issues)
5) macboys does not depend on hundreds of companies to release their product updates for compatibility with newly released OS.
6) most importantly, macboys don't get the "BLUEDEATH" screen.
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Man! do you seriously think UNIX like/based architecture is far more superior than Windows? Don't live in the dreams dude. I made a point somewhere
No, I'm not a badware developer but you can always get opinion of some at security forums.
Viruses DO exist for *ix platform too and it has already been proved that even it is vulnerable. A software is made by humans and the developers of Apple's OS aren't God (sorry almighty for pulling you in this thread).
I guess Linux developer force is doing a great Job by promoting freedom of choice in softwares. MS is doing the same for Hardware atleast. What about Apple? Freedom of choice is a birthright
True, you don't wait for service packs or don't have compatibility issues because Macs support handpicked hardware.
When you say "MS is evil" about the closed-source issue. Where does Apple stand then? Even their boxes are "sealed"
C'mon speak up.
No, I'm not a badware developer but you can always get opinion of some at security forums.
Viruses DO exist for *ix platform too and it has already been proved that even it is vulnerable. A software is made by humans and the developers of Apple's OS aren't God (sorry almighty for pulling you in this thread).
What exactly is futureproof? I you may please let me know. Do you mean going out and buying something you may never need and call it future proof?
I guess Linux developer force is doing a great Job by promoting freedom of choice in softwares. MS is doing the same for Hardware atleast. What about Apple? Freedom of choice is a birthright
True, you don't wait for service packs or don't have compatibility issues because Macs support handpicked hardware.
When you say "MS is evil" about the closed-source issue. Where does Apple stand then? Even their boxes are "sealed"
C'mon speak up.
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ya me too didnt understand the "Future Proof" part
for example, in PC's, take Intel's 965 series m/b, they support from P4 based to Core 2 Quad processors - now this is "Future Proof".
so for more advanced & demanding Softwares (which may launch after 3-4 years), i can upgrade my Proccy. & go back to work
give an example for Mac
for example, in PC's, take Intel's 965 series m/b, they support from P4 based to Core 2 Quad processors - now this is "Future Proof"
.so for more advanced & demanding Softwares (which may launch after 3-4 years), i can upgrade my Proccy. & go back to work
give an example for Mac
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Read the book "Design of unix operation system" by Bach and you will know why unix is far superior to windows in terms of security and stability
Hint: kernel mode and user mode operations.
Futureproof in the sense any app released are tend to seamlessly work with existing hardware (not the microsoft way of seamlessly working with existing hardware) because apple has clear picture of where it should work and how it should work. Because in mac world, applications provided by mac are more than enough. If you need anything more, we have unix apps that can be installed on a mac. Being unix at heart, the applications, thought they look like cpu intensive consume much less resources due to superior job scheduling and processing done by the kernel and also due to the tight integration between hardware and software.
I guess Linux developer force is doing a great Job by promoting freedom of choice in softwares. MS is doing the same for Hardware atleast. What about Apple? Freedom of choice is a birthright
yes. If you want freedom use FSF's appliations on mac. If you want MS's softwares, port them using crossover or wine.
The more pro you are, the more apps you get
Who said that mac is closed source?
*www.download.com/2001-2003_4-0.html?tag=dir
*www.download.com/2001-2003_4-0.html?tag=dir
See the list of softwares available and now SPEAK UP
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I'm not against Mac but if Windows or Mac or anyone for that matter claims that their product is future proof than it just a bunch of baloney. But Mac's biggest drawback is their pricing...it is too expensive for the ordinary computing Indian to buy a Mac at their present pricing structure. But if they drop their prices to suit Indina market than there will be much more popular plus it will also give Windows a run for their money...hey maybe windows too would than have to drop the prices.
s18000rpm said:ya me too didnt understand the "Future Proof" part
for example, in PC's, take Intel's 965 series m/b, they support from P4 based to Core 2 Quad processors - now this is "Future Proof"
so for more advanced & demanding Softwares (which may launch after 3-4 years), i can upgrade my Proccy. & go back to work
give an example for Mac
buying better hardware for every better software doesn't mean that it's future proof.
Getting new software run on existing hardware without a problem is future proof.
macboys are not changing hardware as much as PC boys do. Why? because of the power.
For example, take PS3. It's future proof. That doesn't mean that we can add more ram, change the processor. That means the potential that this product has makes it future proof.
Take macbook pro or mac pro, (except mini). They are beasts and are designed to work for years to come. The G4 cube is still a powerful machine. If you look at the specs, they seem to be similar to similar products in PCworld but they have more potential in them.
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caleb said:
PS3, nvidia G80, LG bluray/hd-dvd combo player, 802.11n. Aren't these future proof, these are technologies that are going to stay for years to come.
Some say that getting a motherboard that supports an insanely priced quad core processor is future proof and "even the hardware change is not necessary" does not mean anything.
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aryayush said:
Ya right, most of the users here have already said, we can get the same performance in PC in just 40k, saving or profiting 10k
I wonder, if PC gaming sux according to Arya etc...then why is it that almighty Apple is doing everything, & even praising everyone to buy a Mac hardware & install Windows on it to play Games
. Again it's proved that Mac & Apple needs PC & microsoft to survive. The switch to Intel CPU was because of this only so that they can get the software ports of Windows/Linux apps easilyIt's been said so many times that MacOS X is stable only because of the fact that it runs on properity hardware. the config is sealed....
ambandla said:
Windows Desktop search, Database like file system (oh wait, it's not yet copied, but will be copied in Leoaprd
), Gadgets (konfabulator here)....Ya, u r right.....can u upgrade the CPU in that if u want after 1 or 2 years? No u cannot...not even the HDD & Macs are future proof , you cannot even install a Core 2 Quad in Mac, u cannot upgrade your graphics card in Mac.ambandla said:
2 years down the line the Core 2 Quad QX6700 will be worth 12k only, we can upgrade to this CPU 2 years from now on our existing hardware bought today
About Mac mini, we can get a far more powerful PC then the power of Mac mini for 35k, with something much better then a GMA 950, even a Geforce 7300GT PCIe costs 4.5K
1) They opied the Kernal from BSD & gave nothing back
2) Which u cannot upgrade
3) Due to runing only limited set of hardware
4) Yeah, they don't. They pay $130 for it
5) Yup, cos nobady cares for Mac, the market is so small to develop for it
6) Yup, again due to reason 3 ^^^^
I am runing Windows Vista ultimate fine with a WEI rating of 3.5 on my 3 years old PC, now this is what I call future proof, oh & this was handpicked too....by me
Vista
I am saying this publically, you have no knowledge of computing & technology
gx_saurav said:
haha. All hail the Einstein of computing and technology.
You better take lessons to decrease your insanely high superiority complexity. okay.
If you think that windows is greatest, keep thinking and you will never know what REAL Computing experience is.
Regular activities for windows user:
check for updates
antivirus check
spamware check
malware check
windows udpates check
open a webpage and get attacked by some virus.
While doing anything on the web, always make sure that you do not click on any pop-up, unintended programs.
Is this what you call "making life easy"?
use unix/linux/mac and you will know what REAL computing is.
FYI, Handpicking hardware is not computing knowledge.
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Look at the top rated downloads for Windows. 90% are related to security. Windows is wasting so much of your time. How many here have used windows for years without reinstalling it after few weeks/months. Do you call this superior? Wake up buddy. Use your brain.
Don't think that apple products are expensive. Think why they are expensive. Dont' think microsoft is great due to it's market share. Think why you are still using it.
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It's really bad to see some saying windows is superiour to any other OS when entire world knows the truth that they are not cannot even copy properly.
FYI, a PC user will always think of getting of a mac. but a mac user always sticks to mac.
Apple is one of the best companies that has high consumer trust.
99% of microsoft users curse microsoft's products.
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Yes. profiting 10k and losing hours of time trying to keep it secure. What about the amount spent on antivirus,firewalls and other security products?
Apple gave bootcame so that users can smoothly migrate to OS X from vista and not because it needs windows to survive. This strategy is resulting in decrease of Windows market share year by year. Check the maket shares now. Apple is eating 4-5% of windows market share each year for the past 2 years and the growth is increasing. Come on, realise now and get a mac and concentrate on your work (just your work)
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Re: Go Beyond Vista – It's Time to Get a Mac
todays s/w & games work seamlessly on current config., but as time passes & "Technology Improves", newer s/w & games will "Need More Power" (RAM, procy....) to work better
& very less "Choice"
what i said was if you want more fire power, then a C2Q is the Answer.
& about the "Insanely Price" of C2Q, in "Future" the prices will drop to more "affordable bracket" as 8 core processors are under development
i can start with a P4 (which i already hav) & in few months get C2D & in some year(s) a C2Q & i dont need to buy a whole new system to get more power
same RAM (2GB), same m/b, same HDD, same Gfx. Card (8600gt) - except Processor = i can run all the bloody games of future (futre for gfx. card= min. 2yrs.)
i think you got my point
(about 8600gt, &2GB RAM, i'm gettin them in Q4 of 2007)
its not about just running the s/w, its about running them smoothly.ambandla said:
todays s/w & games work seamlessly on current config., but as time passes & "Technology Improves", newer s/w & games will "Need More Power" (RAM, procy....) to work better
& maybe coz they are "Insanely Priced"
& very less "Choice"dude
what i said was if you want more fire power, then a C2Q is the Answer.& about the "Insanely Price" of C2Q, in "Future" the prices will drop to more "affordable bracket"
as 8 core processors are under developmenti can start with a P4 (which i already hav) & in few months get C2D & in some year(s) a C2Q
& i dont need to buy a whole new system to get more powersame RAM (2GB), same m/b, same HDD, same Gfx. Card (8600gt) - except Processor
= i can run all the bloody games of future (futre for gfx. card= min. 2yrs.)i think you got my point
(about 8600gt, &2GB RAM, i'm gettin them in Q4 of 2007
)FYI, Apple is not leader in the laptop and desktop sales in amazon and is already ranked 3rd (correct me if i am wrong) in US branded PC/desktop market share.
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There is difference between upgrading hardware 'everynow and then' and complete change after few years. Price wise, they cost the same
Gaming is not the only area for PC functionality. It's share is tiny. Yes. Hardcore gamers will stick to handpicked hardware.
The majority of consumers buy a PC and wish to use that for few years without any need to upgrade. Am I wrong here? In such a case, isn't a mac great option coz it already has the best in town and there is no need to upgrade it for next few years.
Logging off now. cya tomorrow.
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s18000rpm said:its not about just running the s/w, its about running them smoothly.
todays s/w & games work seamlessly on current config., but as time passes & "Technology Improves", newer s/w & games will "Need More Power" (RAM, procy....) to work better
& maybe coz they are "Insanely Priced"
dude
& about the "Insanely Price" of C2Q, in "Future" the prices will drop to more "affordable bracket"
i can start with a P4 (which i already hav) & in few months get C2D & in some year(s) a C2Q
same s/w, same h/w config except Processor
i think you got my point
There is difference between upgrading hardware 'everynow and then' and complete change after few years. Price wise, they cost the same
Gaming is not the only area for PC functionality. It's share is tiny. Yes. Hardcore gamers will stick to handpicked hardware.
The majority of consumers buy a PC and wish to use that for few years without any need to upgrade. Am I wrong here? In such a case, isn't a mac great option coz it already has the best in town and there is no need to upgrade it for next few years.
Logging off now. cya tomorrow.
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See, I was right when I said every macfan says he doesn't play games or that games are a minor point.
Okey, now most people just use computers for normal usage as you say. Whats the use of buying a high-en-future-proof-mac then? Even a celeron can help with normal office applications. Remember the 12,500 bucks PCs by HCL? Even they can hold their stand for "basic usage".
That was if you have a "normal usage". Now, in case you (in generic sense) use resource demanding softwares then you get choice (Hasta-la-vista,baby)
with PCs to make a tailor made beast. Whoever says handpicking isn't a smart (read intelligent) person's cup of tea(or coffee, whichever you prefer) must understand that no-one can offer you the optimal hardware solution except yourself.
In any case, getting some patches is better than remaining isolated from the world just because you are safe that way.
edit: LOL, I forgot its in news section. But that another thread gives me shivers. 2 poeple banned WTF!
Don't bring consoles here, please. A console is dedicated for games and can survive because games are custom built for them. PS3 is hot off the stove, right? See how Bioshock and Crysis beat the living crap outta it.
Okey, now most people just use computers for normal usage as you say. Whats the use of buying a high-en-future-proof-mac then? Even a celeron can help with normal office applications. Remember the 12,500 bucks PCs by HCL? Even they can hold their stand for "basic usage".
That was if you have a "normal usage". Now, in case you (in generic sense) use resource demanding softwares then you get choice (Hasta-la-vista,baby)
with PCs to make a tailor made beast. Whoever says handpicking isn't a smart (read intelligent) person's cup of tea(or coffee, whichever you prefer) must understand that no-one can offer you the optimal hardware solution except yourself.
Are you trying to point at PC users specifically or the people newly introduced to computers?
I guess the isolation factor being discussed is between Mac and non-mac users. Not between Windows and Mac users. Your point works for PC owners as well, those on Linux, you know.
In any case, getting some patches is better than remaining isolated from the world just because you are safe that way.
edit: LOL, I forgot its in news section. But that another thread gives me shivers. 2 poeple banned WTF!
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LOL. You got crushed in chakki. chill yaar, he may have had some misconception
chill yaar, he may have had some misconception 
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kirangp said:
Normally, I have quit posting in such threads. But, for your information, OS 7 or OS 8 had something called as 'Desktop Accessories'.
From there was born the idea of desktop widgets. Konfabulator was nothing but an improvement of that idea.
Please do verify facts before posting your views.
If any one wants to continue talking sense, and about the topic, then I will re-open this thread. I'm closing it on the request of the thread starter i.e. tech_mastermind.
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