Gaming RIG - Need help

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
Hello TDF members!

BACKGROUND INFO:
I have just finished my 12th and joined First year computer engineering.
I want a gaming rig which will last me for the coming 3.5years! [ Not sure but will i be needing high specs for coding/compiling apps or anything else ill learn in the next 4years??]

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Games like crysis 3, gta 5, mp3, dota2 :p , cs:go :p ,BF4 , COD:Ghosts , fc3 , WATCH DOGS <3 , Batman Arkham origins Programming ,coding ,basic photoshop ,basic sony vegas pro..

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 70k MAX including monitor

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: Yes both the CPU and the GPU after 1.5years

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: I already have windows 7 + linux

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 1tb [will add 1more tb after a year]

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:YES, 1080p for gaming with a faster response i.e lower response time Or read further for 900p monitor

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: MOUSE = g400

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: IN the next 2 weeks

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: No this is my first build, i'll probably do it on my own [i am really intersted in computers :p]

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans:Mumbai.. Need to know some good shop at lamigton or flipkart.com

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: YES loads of thing..

This is what i have in mind atm

8350
2x4gb ram
CM Hyper 212 evo -2500
Asus m5a97 evo r2.0 - can this handle gpu+cpu overclocking, if not suggest something else [I am not going to sli/cf in future]
CASE = Not sure but i want a good one with usb 3.0 front ports and audio jacks at front , and it should look sexy too :p
WILL I BE NEEDING A UPS? Power only goes off around once every month!
GPU - Confused between 7950 w/Boost AND Zotac gtx 760!

If i go for the 7950 i'll surely overclock so will i need a better mobo for that? If yes that increases the cost..
Also I will need a better psu that too will increase the cost..
But since current games like crysis 3 mp3 max out 2gb vram [They use 2.1gb at ultra settings] Surely many more next gen games coming out after a year or two will max out 2gb vram so thats why 7950 is the better choice here!

BUT i could go with gtx 760 and then i wont need a better mobo/psu [hence i save money] , i get PHYSX with it and also i could get a free 900p monitor from my cousin [since 900p has around 6lakh less pixels than 1080p even the next gen games wont max out the 2gb vram? Not sure but this is what i think] Also 760 is 4k cheaper than 7950 and i will also save the monitor cost


TL;DR:
7950 + better mobo + better psu + 1080p monitor
OR
760 + free-900p monitor [Viewsonic VA1912WB -is this a good monitor? It's about 5years old]

OR
Anyother suggestion? Like buy 1080p and run in dual with 900p or Sell the 900p or any thing else????????



Also do people at lamington road give the never settle bundle coupon on AMD cards because mdcomputers.in gives but i dont want to order from there as i live in mumbai and their shop is in kolktata and then i will have servicing/warranty issues!
 
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rijinpk1

Aspiring Novelist
fx 8350 - 12.5k
asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 - 11.5k
gskill ripjaws X 8gb 1600mhz - 4.5k
gtx 760 - 19k
wd blue 1 TB - 4k
seasonic s12ii 520 - 4k
asus 24b5st odd -1k
antec gx700 - 4k
dell s2240l - 8.5k
 
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ACidBaseD

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
fx 8350 - 12.5k
asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 - 11.5k
gskill ripjaws X 8gb 1600mhz - 4.5k
gtx 760 - 19k
wd blue 1 TB - 4k
seasonic s12ii 520 - 4k
asus 24b5st odd -1k
antec gx700 - 4k
dell s2240l - 8.5k

I can't overclock in this build? Can you please explain why did you suggest me this build ? Also why did you prefer 760 over a 7950 even with a better mobo which i guess will allow ocing?

Also is m5a99fx support dual channel ram ? If yes then i should go for 2 x 4GB ?
 

ankush28

Bazinga
I can't overclock in this build? Can you please explain why did you suggest me this build ? Also why did you prefer 760 over a 7950 even with a better mobo which i guess will allow ocing?

Also is m5a99fx support dual channel ram ? If yes then i should go for 2 x 4GB ?

> you can easily overclock FX 8350 in this rig buddy but with proper aftermarket cooler (Coolermaster hyper evo 212)
> 990FX is the best chipset for overclocking FX proccys, mark my words BEST. what you want more huh?
>almost all recent motherboards/processors support dual channel (kinda standard)
Go for 8GB and add one more later.
 

athosms17

Broken In
FX 8350 (11500)
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 (7100)
Sapphire 7950 3 GB Vapour-X (22000)
Corsair TX650 v2 (5700)
G.Skill RipjawsX 8 GB (~4000)
WD Blue 2 TB (5800)
NZXT Gamma (2500)
Dell s2240L (8500)

total: ~67000
 

ankush28

Bazinga
FX 8350 (11500)
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 (7100)
Sapphire 7950 3 GB Vapour-X (22000)
Corsair TX650 v2 (5700)
G.Skill RipjawsX 8 GB (~4000)
WD Blue 2 TB (5800)
NZXT Gamma (2500)
Dell s2240L (8500)

total: ~67000

Op wants to OC too so where is
cpu cooler?
Asus M5A97 is not meant for high OCing
Even Corsair TX series has lots of complaints(Do they started using cheap oem in their low end SMPS), so go for Seasonic S12ii 620

OP dont need 2TB of HDD he is ok with 1tb
 
fx 8350 - 12.5k
asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 - 11.5k
gskill ripjaws X 8gb 1600mhz - 4.5k
gtx 760 - 19k
wd blue 1 TB - 4k
seasonic s12ii 520 - 4k
asus 24b5st odd -1k
antec gx700 - 4k
dell s2240l - 8.5k

+1 for this. Replace S12II 520 W with Corsair GS 600 and it will even more overclock-friendly. Also, do add few 120 mm case fans adn get an aftermarket thermal paste.
 
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ACidBaseD

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
> you can easily overclock FX 8350 in this rig buddy but with proper aftermarket cooler (Coolermaster hyper evo 212)
> 990FX is the best chipset for overclocking FX proccys, mark my words BEST. what you want more huh?
>almost all recent motherboards/processors support dual channel (kinda standard)
Go for 8GB and add one more later.

Sorry i didnt type properly was in a hurry what i meant was the 520W wont be enough so will i be able to OC with that PSU and that because he mentioned a single ram i thought it doesnt support dual channel!

Also people say that 8gb ram is enough for gaming? So going for 2x4gb will save some money? I'm on a tight budget but i cant compromise performance for that! If you think 16gb is needed ill get another 8gb after a month or so :p

Op wants to OC too so where is
cpu cooler?
Asus M5A97 is not meant for high OCing
Even Corsair TX series has lots of complaints(Do they started using cheap oem in their low end SMPS), so go for Seasonic S12ii 620
OP dont need 2TB of HDD he is ok with 1tb
Is there any harm in getting a 2tb hardisk ? I am going to need a lot of space eventually! I could go for a 1tb HDD now and get another 2tb later on or go for the 2tb directly? Also please tell me some good HDD's, Read a lot of bad reviews from Seagate Barracudda users on flipkart.

+1 for this. Replace S12II 520 W with Corsair GS 600 and it will even more overclock-friendly. Also, do add few 120 mm case fans adn get an aftermarket thermal paste.

Is there any difference between S12II620 [3People suggested it to me] and Corsair GS600, because they are similarly priced on flipkart?

Also i dont like the looks of Antec GX700 , can some one suggest me a better looking good performing case?

Also will i need a special cooler for gpu if I oc 7950?
 
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topgear

Super Moderator
Staff member
+1 for this. Replace S12II 520 W with Corsair GS 600 and it will even more overclock-friendly. Also, do add few 120 mm case fans adn get an aftermarket thermal paste.

if Op gets an after market cooler he will get enough qulaity TiM with the cooler.

Sorry i didnt type properly was in a hurry what i meant was the 520W wont be enough so will i be able to OC with that PSU and that because he mentioned a single ram i thought it doesnt support dual channel!

Also people say that 8gb ram is enough for gaming? So going for 2x4gb will save some money? I'm on a tight budget but i cant compromise performance for that! If you think 16gb is needed ill get another 8gb after a month or so :p


Is there any harm in getting a 2tb hardisk ? I am going to need a lot of space eventually! I could go for a 1tb HDD now and get another 2tb later on or go for the 2tb directly? Also please tell me some good HDD's, Read a lot of bad reviews from Seagate Barracudda users on flipkart.

Is there any difference between S12II620 [3People suggested it to me] and Corsair GS600, because they are similarly priced on flipkart?

Also i dont like the looks of Antec GX700 , can some one suggest me a better looking good performing case?

Also will i need a special cooler for gpu if I oc 7950?

if you did not like the looks of GX700 then do consider Bitfenix Shinobi, Corsair 300R, CM Haf 912 Combat / Corsair 400R ;) and as for GPU OC if you want to go beyond what stock cooler can offer you can get some after market coolers for HD7950 but that depends on the card's design and model.
 
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ACidBaseD

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
if Op gets an after market cooler he will get enough qulaity TiM with the cooler.



if you did not like the looks of GX700 then do consider Bitfenix Shinobi, Corsair 300R, CM Haf 912 Combat / Corsair 400R ;) and as for GPU OC if you want to go beyond what stock cooler can offer you can get some after market coolers for HD7950 but that depends on the card's design and model.

How will the 1.Sapphire 7950 boost and 2.Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X overclock without any aftermarker cooler?
I have heard it gets OC'ed to 1100Core clock pretty easily ?
 
How will the 1.Sapphire 7950 boost and 2.Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X overclock without any aftermarker cooler?
I have heard it gets OC'ed to 1100Core clock pretty easily ?

You don't need aftermarket gpu coolers for overclocking unless you are attempting for a world record. Topgear meant that aftermarket coolers are available.
 

rijinpk1

Aspiring Novelist
How will the 1.Sapphire 7950 boost and 2.Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X overclock without any aftermarker cooler?
I have heard it gets OC'ed to 1100Core clock pretty easily ?

760 performs better than 7950 or boost in most most games and you can overclock the 760 too to get better performance. Also 760 is available cheaper by 4k- 5k. So why should you go with 7950?

Also i dont like the looks of Antec GX700 ,?
that's really surprising as gx700 looks better than many in my opinion.
 
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ACidBaseD

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
760 performs better than 7950 or boost in most most games and you can overclock the 760 too to get better performance. Also 760 is available cheaper by 4k- 5k. So why should you go with 7950?


that's really surprising as gx700 looks better than many in my opinion.

It sure look's better than Bitfenix Merc Alpha or other similarly priced cases. But i really like the looks of HAF 912 for example :p
Is there anything better in Antex GX700 compared to HAF 912?

Also even though 760 can be overclocked, it still has only 2gb VRAM which is already utilised completely by games like Crysis 3 and MP3 so my guess is that in the future more games will use more than 2GB VRAM. Also 7950 has way more headroom compared to 760 with only a price difference of 4k but it still is 1 year old and 760 is a newer card , so i am pretty confused ;(
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Get GTX 760 unless your are going to work on GPU compute based workloads based on OpenCL and DirectCompute. It is observed that 23GB Video memory is still okay for maximum games @ 1080P resolution. 3GB VRam is very useful if you go beyond 1080P which is not your case. For pure gaming point of view, a GTX 760 @ 20K is a better choice than a HD 7950 Boost, available around 23/24K. However, I am not sure about the overclocking capability and performance improvement of GTX 760. For Sapphire 7950 Boost Vapor-X, it is pretty much high; I run mine @ 1100 MHz for GPU Clock and 1300 MHz (5200 MHz effective) for Memory with 1.256V and the card runs like butter. At this speed, it sometimes performs like a normal stock HD 7970.
 
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ACidBaseD

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
Get GTX 760 unless your are going to work on GPU compute based workloads based on OpenCL and DirectCompute. It is observed that 23GB Video memory is still okay for maximum games @ 1080P resolution. 3GB VRam is very useful if you go beyond 1080P which is not your case. For pure gaming point of view, a GTX 760 @ 20K is a better choice than a HD 7950 Boost, available around 23/24K. However, I am not sure about the overclocking capability and performance improvement of GTX 760. For Sapphire 7950 Boost Vapor-X, it is pretty much high; I run mine @ 1100 MHz for GPU Clock and 1300 MHz (5200 MHz effective) for Memory with 1.256V and the card runs like butter. At this speed, it sometimes performs like a normal stock HD 7970.

And that's the reason i dont mind shelling out 3-4k extra for a 7950. Just need a good motherboard with it.


I AM THINKING OF DOWNGRADING FROM 8350 TO 6350 and getting a 7950 rather than a 760?

Also since i am not going to CF/SLI but only overclock i was wondering if the m5a97 R2.0 will fullfill my overclocking needs?

SO how this build:

FX 6350 - 7.5k
asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0/m5a97 r2.0 - 11.5k/8
gskill ripjaws X 8gb 1600mhz - 4.5k
7950 Boost Vapor-X - 24k
wd blue 1 TB - 4k
seasonic s12ii 620 - 5k
asus 24b5st odd -1k
antec gx700/HAF 912 - 4k/4.5k
dell s2240l - 8.5k
--------------------
Total - 69.5k/66.5k

Fits right in my budget?
 
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Cilus

laborare est orare
I don't think FX-6350 is available in India. Also check some reviews about the overclocking capabilities of GTX 760 before drawing conclusion.
 

topgear

Super Moderator
Staff member
Here's how far a GTX 760 can go with stock volt and fan speed :

MSI GTX 760 HAWK 2 GB Review | techPowerUp
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 2 GB Review | techPowerUp

so like the reviews said if the card is not a cherry picked review sample I think with custom cooling [ read custom coolers by third party manufacturers ] GTX 760 can OCed greatly.
 
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ACidBaseD

ACidBaseD

ACid DrinkeR
Here's how far a GTX 760 can go with stock volt and fan speed :

MSI GTX 760 HAWK 2 GB Review | techPowerUp
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 2 GB Review | techPowerUp

so like the reviews said if the card is not a cherry picked review sample I think with custom cooling [ read custom coolers by third party manufacturers ] GTX 760 can OCed greatly.

Thanks for the info, will the 760 and 6300 overclock on an Asus m5a97 R2.0? [I have read problems of OC'ing on 970 chipsets?]

I don't think FX-6350 is available in India. Also check some reviews about the overclocking capabilities of GTX 760 before drawing conclusion.
Yeah i just realised that, so i might have to go with a FX-6300!

Also it seems like way too many people are suggesting me to go for the 760! Maybe it's worth it?
 
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