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MetalheadGautham
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And justification for Phenom II C4 955 Black Edition:
neoseeker review *www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii955/
You can either go the 790GX way if you want cheap motherboard with no future room or the 790FX way (I recommend) for future-proof nature.
Or wait for nVidi 980a SLI motherboards to hit India. But I recommend 790FX AM3 anyday.
neoseeker review *www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii955/
You can either go the 790GX way if you want cheap motherboard with no future room or the 790FX way (I recommend) for future-proof nature.
Or wait for nVidi 980a SLI motherboards to hit India. But I recommend 790FX AM3 anyday.
MetalheadGautham
AFK
And justification for Phenom II C4 955 Black Edition:
neoseeker review *www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii955/
You can either go the 790GX way if you want cheap motherboard with no future room or the 790FX way (I recommend) for future-proof nature.
Or wait for nVidi 980a SLI motherboards to hit India. But I recommend 790FX AM3 anyday.
neoseeker review *www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii955/
You can either go the 790GX way if you want cheap motherboard with no future room or the 790FX way (I recommend) for future-proof nature.
Or wait for nVidi 980a SLI motherboards to hit India. But I recommend 790FX AM3 anyday.
dOm1naTOr
Wise Old Owl
If gaming is primary need, PII is equally good and costs almost the half [cpu+mobo].
invest on a bigger and better monitor, like a true 1080p with HDMi 26" or greater. Also speakers are almost as improtant as displays. Klipsch Pro media Ultra 5.1 is gr8 for gaming.
PII 955: 13k
790 FX mobo: 8~10k
a good cooler with 90+ CFM and dual 120 mm fans: 3k
GTX 295: 30k
u can OC it to 4Ghz or greater and beat an i7[OC] in every games.
invest on a bigger and better monitor, like a true 1080p with HDMi 26" or greater. Also speakers are almost as improtant as displays. Klipsch Pro media Ultra 5.1 is gr8 for gaming.
PII 955: 13k
790 FX mobo: 8~10k
a good cooler with 90+ CFM and dual 120 mm fans: 3k
GTX 295: 30k
u can OC it to 4Ghz or greater and beat an i7[OC] in every games.
MetalheadGautham
AFK
Forget about beating AFTER overclocking, because i7 too can be OC'ed.
The FPS difference WITHOUT overclocking in games is always too little. So even at stock it matches well.
for giving competition to Intel & Nvidia and competition always benefits the end user.
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Shadowfax2009
Wandering around
GUYS GUYS PLEASE
Let me begin again
Even before I begin let me tell you that my last and favourite system was AMD Athlon 64 3000 on Asus A8ni (Nforce 4 Socket 939), with 7600 gt on 4 GB DDr1 ram. It was a best bang for buck (2005)and served me well but now I cant upgrade any single component. So I am so careful about platform. I want to be able to upgrade in 2 - 3 years without having to change the whole platform.
Let me begin again: I am basically thinking aloud to clear my own confusion.
No DDR2 System is future proof. DDR2 ram will be extinct over the nest 6 month and cheap ddr3 will take over. I guess u all agree to that!
So AMD Phenom II 940 is out of question.
Now
Processor:
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 14k vs Intel Core i7 i920 D0 2.66GHz @ 14.8k --- Difference 800/-
Motherboard
MSI 790FX-GD70 790FX/SB750 AM3 @ 11.7k vs Gigabyte GA-EX58UD3R @ 14K --- Difference 2300/- cheaper boards are 790gx. If u compare the cheap with the cheap..... Biostar at 6.5K vs MSI at 10.K ==== 3500/-
Ram
Transcend 2GB DDR3 1333MHz CL9 RAM @ 1.8k vs
OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory at CL7(7-7-7-24) From Newegg by KMD at 6.6K /3 =2.2K ------ Difference 400/- or 1200/- if u use 6 GB on both.
Wheather u use 6 gb r not depends NOT ON PLATFORM but on your OS. On 32bit OS even your 6gb i7 is a waste. On 64 bitOS 6GB should benefit both systems.
So platform difference to make a future proof system is 3500/- ------ to 5000/- if you use 6gb of ram. Between AMD and Intel. PLZ NOTE THE SPEED AND CAS DIFFERENCE
or YOU MIGHT NOT CONSIDER ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOU USE SAME TRANSCEND RAM EVERYWHERE.
Performance DIFFERENCE BETWEEN i7 & 955 after proper over clocking of both on stock HSF: 30% (According to Toms/ Anandtechs i7 is 30% faster than Phenom clock per clock at any level of OC. Chart differences are comparing either an OC AMD to Stock 920 or the otherway round)
NOW EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ONE PLATFORM IS CHEAPER AND COST EFFECTIVE THAN OTHER??????
AND YES I NEE TO CHANGE MY MOTHERBOARD DECISION.
Let me begin again
Even before I begin let me tell you that my last and favourite system was AMD Athlon 64 3000 on Asus A8ni (Nforce 4 Socket 939), with 7600 gt on 4 GB DDr1 ram. It was a best bang for buck (2005)and served me well but now I cant upgrade any single component. So I am so careful about platform. I want to be able to upgrade in 2 - 3 years without having to change the whole platform.
Let me begin again: I am basically thinking aloud to clear my own confusion.
No DDR2 System is future proof. DDR2 ram will be extinct over the nest 6 month and cheap ddr3 will take over. I guess u all agree to that!
So AMD Phenom II 940 is out of question.
Now
Processor:
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 14k vs Intel Core i7 i920 D0 2.66GHz @ 14.8k --- Difference 800/-
Motherboard
MSI 790FX-GD70 790FX/SB750 AM3 @ 11.7k vs Gigabyte GA-EX58UD3R @ 14K --- Difference 2300/- cheaper boards are 790gx. If u compare the cheap with the cheap..... Biostar at 6.5K vs MSI at 10.K ==== 3500/-
Ram
Transcend 2GB DDR3 1333MHz CL9 RAM @ 1.8k vs
OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory at CL7(7-7-7-24) From Newegg by KMD at 6.6K /3 =2.2K ------ Difference 400/- or 1200/- if u use 6 GB on both.
Wheather u use 6 gb r not depends NOT ON PLATFORM but on your OS. On 32bit OS even your 6gb i7 is a waste. On 64 bitOS 6GB should benefit both systems.
So platform difference to make a future proof system is 3500/- ------ to 5000/- if you use 6gb of ram. Between AMD and Intel. PLZ NOTE THE SPEED AND CAS DIFFERENCE
or YOU MIGHT NOT CONSIDER ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOU USE SAME TRANSCEND RAM EVERYWHERE.
Performance DIFFERENCE BETWEEN i7 & 955 after proper over clocking of both on stock HSF: 30% (According to Toms/ Anandtechs i7 is 30% faster than Phenom clock per clock at any level of OC. Chart differences are comparing either an OC AMD to Stock 920 or the otherway round)
NOW EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ONE PLATFORM IS CHEAPER AND COST EFFECTIVE THAN OTHER??????
AND YES I NEE TO CHANGE MY MOTHERBOARD DECISION.
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Shadowfax2009
Wandering around
As for monitor it is DELL S2409w. Here is the group order deal going over at Tech Enclave:
O.K i got this deal from Dell for the S2409W monitor.
Dell S2409W Full HD Monitor
Experience stunning detail and clarity with full High-Definition resolution. Ideal for multimedia entertainment, gaming and productivity.
* Full HD 1920 x 1080 resolution
* 16:9 dynamic aspect ratio
* HDMI high quality digital connection
PRICE : Rs 13500/- (3 Years Warranty) SHIPPED TO YOU
PRICE : Rs 14900/- (5 Years Warranty) SHIPPED TO YOU
I might be able to squeeze in a little more discount if the number is 3+ for the 5 years warranty product.
The above price is inclusive of all taxes and duties except OCTROI (Wherever Applicable). Following are the rates (Approx) in Maharashtra for Octroi. You can find teh actual rates from your local Courier People.
City Rate
Pune 7
Pimpri-Chinchwad 2.5
Mumbai 4.5 to 5
Aurangabad 4
Nashik 3.5
Kolhapur, Sangli 3
Solapur 10
Nanded 2
Warranty - 3/5 Years National Panel Replacement warranty
Billing - The monitor is being ordered in my firm's name. But i can give a bill from my own side to those who require.
PLEASE NOTE - Right now i have a quote for only this monitor as i am already getting 5 of these for others. Once all the details on this is through, only then will i start getting quotes for other monitors if needed. So kindly refrain from asking about other monitors as far as possible till then.
DELL 2408WFP UltraSharp - Rs 31500 Shipped (3 Years Warranty)
PM me or call me for details. You can find my Messenger IDs also here PhOeNiX
Cheers
Confirmed List
1 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - jyotirmoy.dutta - Confirmed, Payment Received
3 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - chhangte - Confirmed, Part Payment Received
1 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - nadim_90210 - Confirmed, Payment Received
1 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - anks22402 - Confirmed, Payment Received
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O.K i got this deal from Dell for the S2409W monitor.
Dell S2409W Full HD Monitor
Experience stunning detail and clarity with full High-Definition resolution. Ideal for multimedia entertainment, gaming and productivity.
* Full HD 1920 x 1080 resolution
* 16:9 dynamic aspect ratio
* HDMI high quality digital connection
PRICE : Rs 13500/- (3 Years Warranty) SHIPPED TO YOU
PRICE : Rs 14900/- (5 Years Warranty) SHIPPED TO YOU
I might be able to squeeze in a little more discount if the number is 3+ for the 5 years warranty product.
The above price is inclusive of all taxes and duties except OCTROI (Wherever Applicable). Following are the rates (Approx) in Maharashtra for Octroi. You can find teh actual rates from your local Courier People.
City Rate
Pune 7
Pimpri-Chinchwad 2.5
Mumbai 4.5 to 5
Aurangabad 4
Nashik 3.5
Kolhapur, Sangli 3
Solapur 10
Nanded 2
Warranty - 3/5 Years National Panel Replacement warranty
Billing - The monitor is being ordered in my firm's name. But i can give a bill from my own side to those who require.
PLEASE NOTE - Right now i have a quote for only this monitor as i am already getting 5 of these for others. Once all the details on this is through, only then will i start getting quotes for other monitors if needed. So kindly refrain from asking about other monitors as far as possible till then.
DELL 2408WFP UltraSharp - Rs 31500 Shipped (3 Years Warranty)
PM me or call me for details. You can find my Messenger IDs also here PhOeNiX
Cheers
Confirmed List
1 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - jyotirmoy.dutta - Confirmed, Payment Received
3 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - chhangte - Confirmed, Part Payment Received
1 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - nadim_90210 - Confirmed, Payment Received
1 x Dell S2409W w/ 3 Years - anks22402 - Confirmed, Payment Received
Interested List
dOm1naTOr
Wise Old Owl
thats a good point
btw, 955 is 13.5k locally, ut the 500 bucks wont make much difference.
But Intel is changing platforms and sockets every now and then. And with past experience, even if sockets are same, newer proccys wont fit in older mobos.
for eg, LGA 775 was here from 915, 925, 945,965, G31.....X45 mobos. But newer proccys wont fit in 915/925 mobos even though the 925 was their high end mobos once.
Even their newer upcoming corei5 is gonna use newer socket. While the i5 become mainstream, i7 will remain as premium and i7 920, and 940 will be discontinued, and only i7 955/65 will remain and will cost almost triple[~750$] of current i7 920.
SO to juice the i7 965, they gonna get some new chipset or innovation and current most expensive X58 mobos like EVGA classified will become kinda obselete when u plan to upgrade later from i7 920.
But in case of AMD, upgradibility is main feature. u can use a PII in even older AM2 mobos like M2NE[nforce5 Ultra] or a 690G mobo, to 780, 790 mobos.
And AMD promises all upcoming proccys to be fully compatible with current mobos. So an AM3 mobo will take atleast 3 or more yrs to be called obselete[when 32nm bulldozer X8 or X12 gets released on Q4 2010]
And MSI 790GX-G65 is Am3 with DDR3 support, and comes for 8.5k
For gaming, surelly a GTX 260 will hold u back on a full HD 1080p display. It wiser to invest the extra savings[8k+] for the GPU and get a GTX 275[18k] or 4770x3 CFX[better][19.5k].
And for gaming purpose, even a non OCed 955 matches to a non OCed 920 and only if the GPU isnt bottlenecked. Ull need a hefty graphics card array[SLi or CFX] to bottleneck either a pII 955 or i7 920.
btw, 955 is 13.5k locally, ut the 500 bucks wont make much difference.
But Intel is changing platforms and sockets every now and then. And with past experience, even if sockets are same, newer proccys wont fit in older mobos.
for eg, LGA 775 was here from 915, 925, 945,965, G31.....X45 mobos. But newer proccys wont fit in 915/925 mobos even though the 925 was their high end mobos once.
Even their newer upcoming corei5 is gonna use newer socket. While the i5 become mainstream, i7 will remain as premium and i7 920, and 940 will be discontinued, and only i7 955/65 will remain and will cost almost triple[~750$] of current i7 920.
SO to juice the i7 965, they gonna get some new chipset or innovation and current most expensive X58 mobos like EVGA classified will become kinda obselete when u plan to upgrade later from i7 920.
But in case of AMD, upgradibility is main feature. u can use a PII in even older AM2 mobos like M2NE[nforce5 Ultra] or a 690G mobo, to 780, 790 mobos.
And AMD promises all upcoming proccys to be fully compatible with current mobos. So an AM3 mobo will take atleast 3 or more yrs to be called obselete[when 32nm bulldozer X8 or X12 gets released on Q4 2010]
And MSI 790GX-G65 is Am3 with DDR3 support, and comes for 8.5k
For gaming, surelly a GTX 260 will hold u back on a full HD 1080p display. It wiser to invest the extra savings[8k+] for the GPU and get a GTX 275[18k] or 4770x3 CFX[better][19.5k].
And for gaming purpose, even a non OCed 955 matches to a non OCed 920 and only if the GPU isnt bottlenecked. Ull need a hefty graphics card array[SLi or CFX] to bottleneck either a pII 955 or i7 920.
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Shadowfax2009
Wandering around
Yes in that way u are correct. i5 kind of makes things dicey. and even a saving of 3000/- maters 
Similarly about grafix card, these are quotations I am getting.
Powercolor 4890 is available for 15000/- whereas PALIT GTX275 is available for 15500/-
Both perform equally or almost equally. Various forums support various products. Why should one buy a GTX 295 now when gtx 300 series is only 4 months away? When GTX 300 comes either it will be available at 30000/- price point as AMD is also prepping its RV840 core. Or it will push down GTX275 to 10000/- mark. Now 2 gtx 275 is equal to gtx 295 right? So why not buy one 275 now and wait out. If you buy the gtx 300 series Nvidia has the only additional advantage of using the old card as a physx pard which AMD doesnot offer. Also Win7 allows to use two separate grafix driver simultaneously. So I can even use a ATI as my main card and a nvidia for the Physx. Only catch is that physx is not that helpful currently. But what would you do with a 4790 then? I would rather wait and see before I spend big on the GRafix card. For the next 4 months I think I can play most current games except for crysis on GTX 275. So here is my LOGIC for going the NVIDIA way. However the prices of NVIDIA would never have come down it ATI was not there. So ATI ….. JAI HO.
Similarly about grafix card, these are quotations I am getting.
Powercolor 4890 is available for 15000/- whereas PALIT GTX275 is available for 15500/-
Both perform equally or almost equally. Various forums support various products. Why should one buy a GTX 295 now when gtx 300 series is only 4 months away? When GTX 300 comes either it will be available at 30000/- price point as AMD is also prepping its RV840 core. Or it will push down GTX275 to 10000/- mark. Now 2 gtx 275 is equal to gtx 295 right? So why not buy one 275 now and wait out. If you buy the gtx 300 series Nvidia has the only additional advantage of using the old card as a physx pard which AMD doesnot offer. Also Win7 allows to use two separate grafix driver simultaneously. So I can even use a ATI as my main card and a nvidia for the Physx. Only catch is that physx is not that helpful currently. But what would you do with a 4790 then? I would rather wait and see before I spend big on the GRafix card. For the next 4 months I think I can play most current games except for crysis on GTX 275. So here is my LOGIC for going the NVIDIA way. However the prices of NVIDIA would never have come down it ATI was not there. So ATI ….. JAI HO.
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Shadowfax2009
Wandering around
@ MetalheadGautham
UD4 is currently not available in India... Newegg has it at 259$ so importing by KMD will cost around 16000/- bucks.
UD4 is currently not available in India... Newegg has it at 259$ so importing by KMD will cost around 16000/- bucks.
dOm1naTOr
Wise Old Owl
yup, a GTX 275 makes a a good sense.
btw 2x 4770 beats a GTX 275, and costs just 6.5k*2=13k.
Prices of 4770 isnt gonna fall soon, as its already launched at low segment and seems to have terrific vfm, considering that it scales the best with the CF than any other SLI/CF setups. As prices wont fall soon atleast for it, it ll have good aftersale value when u plan to upgrade the GPU to gtx 300 or HD 5xxx.
btw 2x 4770 beats a GTX 275, and costs just 6.5k*2=13k.
Prices of 4770 isnt gonna fall soon, as its already launched at low segment and seems to have terrific vfm, considering that it scales the best with the CF than any other SLI/CF setups. As prices wont fall soon atleast for it, it ll have good aftersale value when u plan to upgrade the GPU to gtx 300 or HD 5xxx.
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Shadowfax2009
Wandering around
^ We will keep on discussing tomorrow.Planning seems to be the most enjoyable part of buying a rig. Just a quick question before I go to sleep. Which mouse RAZOR or ALTEC. And is there a need for G15 keyboard?
dOm1naTOr
Wise Old Owl
G15 is crap. the LCD display has hardly any use, other than displaying playlist for music tracks. nobody wants to check keyboard display for ammo or health status in games. Moreover only some rare games support keyboard HUD displays.
G11 has better vfm@ 2.5k. Trantaula is expensive but is gr8. costs bout 7k !
razer salmosa has good vfm. all razor mice are suited for paw movements. That is not for them who plces entire palm over mouse like on G5 or MX 518.
u have to choose according to taste. Copperheads has reported lots of hardware failures, though a good performing mouse.
will write more on mouse and KB 2moro
G11 has better vfm@ 2.5k. Trantaula is expensive but is gr8. costs bout 7k !
razer salmosa has good vfm. all razor mice are suited for paw movements. That is not for them who plces entire palm over mouse like on G5 or MX 518.
u have to choose according to taste. Copperheads has reported lots of hardware failures, though a good performing mouse.
will write more on mouse and KB 2moro
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
@Shadowfax2009
1) GPU: If you want to go for next gen graphics card, get something like dual HD4770 or GTX260 (11k-13k) for now. These cards will have terrific resale value and you can sell them easily when you are ready to go for HD5xxx or GTX3xx.
2) My pick would be a decent keyboard and an XBOX 360 controller for windows
3) Mouse: same thing. get a decent optical mouse with good mousepad and use xbox 360 controller for gaming.
4) mobo: if you want to go for core i7. Get a board inside 15k.
1) GPU: If you want to go for next gen graphics card, get something like dual HD4770 or GTX260 (11k-13k) for now. These cards will have terrific resale value and you can sell them easily when you are ready to go for HD5xxx or GTX3xx.
2) My pick would be a decent keyboard and an XBOX 360 controller for windows
3) Mouse: same thing. get a decent optical mouse with good mousepad and use xbox 360 controller for gaming.
4) mobo: if you want to go for core i7. Get a board inside 15k.
MetalheadGautham
AFK
^^And you can also try importing UD4 from newegg if you want to stay with Intel.
Just for the reference, DDR3-1333 is quoted in India. In US its filthy cheap, but yeah, 6GB kit of Triple Channel 1600MHz memory @ 6.6K is truly VFM.
BTW, whats KMD ? An online store ?
Just for the reference, DDR3-1333 is quoted in India. In US its filthy cheap, but yeah, 6GB kit of Triple Channel 1600MHz memory @ 6.6K is truly VFM.
BTW, whats KMD ? An online store ?
MetalheadGautham
AFK
^^And you can also try importing UD4 from newegg if you want to stay with Intel.
Just for the reference, DDR3-1333 is quoted in India. In US its filthy cheap, but yeah, 6GB kit of Triple Channel 1600MHz memory @ 6.6K is truly VFM.
BTW, whats KMD ? An online store ?
Just for the reference, DDR3-1333 is quoted in India. In US its filthy cheap, but yeah, 6GB kit of Triple Channel 1600MHz memory @ 6.6K is truly VFM.
BTW, whats KMD ? An online store ?
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Shadowfax2009
Wandering around
KMD is a dealer KatManDude who operates at Tech-Enclave forum.... Very reliable person. Have bought stuff by him before. Charges around 66/- - 70/- rs per dollar.
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