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dashing.sujay

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mr sujay! I'm not misleading anyone about the battery performance, 2nd gen 3rd gen matters for the battery life. 3rd gen core-i5 has better battery life as it comes with 22nm lithography and some new better technology, though both consumes 35W of power. Overall other laptops are same in terms of battery, if we not talk about dedicated GPU. Generally, laptop comes with 6 cell battery and same power consuming mobo, HDD, RAM, keyboard, screen and optical drive. So there is no need to talk about overall power consumption, i said it has normal battery as other 3rd gen core-i5 laptops give same battery life, for you information hp g6, dell inspiron15R with core-i5 laptop have same 6 cell battery and gives the same amount of battery as this vaio laptop can provide, this is why i said there is nothing to wow about.

Your statement was misleading in the form that you framed it wrong. If you read your own post carefully it gives an impression that 3rd gen CPUs give better battery back up irrespective of battery capacity, which is absolutely wrong. And I didn't compared 2nd gen to 3rd gen. I just said it majorly depends on battery capacity and on system power consumption (this is subjective).

PS: I'm yet to see any test that proves 3rd gen battery back up credibility over 2nd gen (by a good amount).
 

rider

as Kratos
Your statement was misleading in the form that you framed it wrong. If you read your own post carefully it gives an impression that 3rd gen CPUs give better battery back up irrespective of battery capacity, which is absolutely wrong. And I didn't compared 2nd gen to 3rd gen. I just said it majorly depends on battery capacity and on system power consumption (this is subjective).

There was no need to mention of battery capacity, you are talking in wrong sense. I agree battery cell capacity matters the more. Its quite obvious more cell will give more battery life, and 6 cell battery life common among all in this range, so why to talk about battery capacity in every case.
In fact your statement is quite misleading:
2nd gen or 3rd gen, they don't decide battery life of a laptop
which clearly mention that you are comparing 2nd gen and 3rd gen core-i5.
 

dashing.sujay

Moving
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There was no need to mention of battery capacity, you are talking in wrong sense. I agree battery cell capacity matters the more. Its quite obvious more cell will give more battery life, and 6 cell battery life common among all in this range, so why to talk about battery capacity in every case.
In fact your statement is quite misleading:

Why is there no need to mention about battery capacity when it matters the most? You're taking others for granted that they'll automatically understand what you want to say, which doesn't happens. Plus, battery capacity of every laptop manufacturer differs, if not by a great difference, but in some case yeah. Point is, you shouldn't generalise too much.

which clearly mention that you are comparing 2nd gen and 3rd gen core-i5.

How do you feel I am comparing it? Apparently, my statement meant "irrespective" of 2nd/3rd gen. I just quoted your "3rd gen" thing to light the battery capacity role. You shouldn't have mentioned "gen" funda altogether. It was like 3rd gen = better back up, without mentioning of 2nd gen, which obviously meant it lags, but contrastingly, it doesn't.

PS: Do you even know what lithography means ?
 

rider

as Kratos
Why is there no need to mention about battery capacity when it matters the most? You're taking others for granted that they'll automatically understand what you want to say, which doesn't happens. Plus, battery capacity of every laptop manufacturer differs, if not by a great difference, but in some case yeah. Point is, you shouldn't generalise too much.



How do you feel I am comparing it? Apparently, my statement meant "irrespective" of 2nd/3rd gen. I just quoted your "3rd gen" thing to light the battery capacity role. You shouldn't have mentioned "gen" funda altogether. It was like 3rd gen = better back up, without mentioning of 2nd gen, which obviously meant it lags, but contrastingly, it doesn't.

Take a chill pill dude, you are too much irreverently posting, 6 cell battery life is quite understandable and common among all other core-i5 laptops of this segment, now you would say mention everything about the laptop. Tell me which laptop comes with other than 6 cell battery in 3rd gen core-i5 3210M?? By default 6 cell battery is common in laptops here. Don't say some customization option or other optional battery in market. Every laptop's battery can be upgraded further.
And FYI as far as I know in physics 1 cell = 1100 mAH so 6 cell = 1100x4 = 4400mAH. According to you it may varies brand by brand a little bit, but not much in practical life, you are tottaly talking irrelevant now to compete this argument. So, kindly calm down you sony fanboynism and accept the truth.
 

dashing.sujay

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tell me what's wrong i said, 1 cell = 1100mAH or 1200mAH in sony's physics?

Nothing wrong with your physics facts (check your maths though), but all 6 cell batteries don't have same back up. Their watt hour capacity is different. If only 6 cell would have mattered, then all 6 cell should be giving nearly same back up which is not the case.

And stop making sarcastic comments, I didn't favoured Sony here, not a bit. If I did show them, otherwise unnecessary attacking will lend you something to regret.
 

rider

as Kratos
Alright! now what rule I violated in TDF rules?? that will lend me to regret? huh I'm not attacking something its just a casual debate its you that are getting the sarcasm. Just because you are a moderating here you can do whatever you want, I'm not afraid of you but afraid to violate the TDF rules okay. Good Night!
 

dashing.sujay

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I never said you violated TDF rules. I just said why are you making sarcastic comments related to Sony on me, when I never favored it. Once its fine, but not repetitive.
 
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Dev_t

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chill @rider and @dashing.sujay...both of you know a lot about h/w which reflects in your posts...may be a seperate thread would be a good place for the discussion about batteries and back up...I just wanted to know your views about brands other than dell and sony...how about my choices in lenovo and toshiba ??
 

rider

as Kratos
chill @rider and @dashing.sujay...both of you know a lot about h/w which reflects in your posts...may be a seperate thread would be a good place for the discussion about batteries and back up...I just wanted to know your views about brands other than dell and sony...how about my choices in lenovo and toshiba ??

Sorry dev_t for spoiling your thread. Quality wise hp, vaio, asus, apple, thinkpad laptops are good. In market right now hp and dell have the best after sales, their laptops comes with accidental damage cover onsite warranty which makes the laptop totally insured. Sony vaio after sales is fine, from this year they started onsite service in limited cities, but still no accidental damage cover. Where are you from In north india specailly delhi ncr region lenovo after sales is pathetic, but I read lenovo service is fine in south region. And no idea how is toshiba laptops warranty never, very few people buy toshiba laptops. In your budget better to avoid lenovo and toshiba, they highly priced with nothing special.
How do you like dell inspiron 15R SE that I suggested?
 

webgenius

Ambassador of Buzz
chill @rider and @dashing.sujay...both of you know a lot about h/w which reflects in your posts...may be a seperate thread would be a good place for the discussion about batteries and back up...I just wanted to know your views about brands other than dell and sony...how about my choices in lenovo and toshiba ??

My suggestion would be to stay away from Toshiba as much as possible. My friend had a problem with some Satellite series laptop, and had to struggle for close to 3 months to get the problem rectified. Better to pay a few bucks more and get a Dell or HP laptop.

portability > 1080p. I simply can't carry a kilo more just to boast my screen. (pretty much subjective to usage & need)
Thanks for that comment. Really makes a lot of sense. Having a bulky setup just to watch a HD movie once in a couple of months doesn't make any sense.

That Vaio model is good if you can justify its cost (its overpriced IMHO but if you can afford it, IT IS good).
Looks like I'll be paying more if I buy this model. I'll rather stay away from it. IMHO (performance+portability) > looks

Opt for external ODD anyday over a laptop ODD as latter turn to be kaput frequently. My vaio ODD dumped after reading only 1 DVD :p
This maybe a silly question, but anyway here goes: Won't buying an external ODD negate the purpose of a laptop? I believe that we should not be spending another 2k for a piece of H/W when we're paying >50k for a laptop. Also it need to be carried with the laptop always.

@rider: Can you please explain why you feel HP ENVY 4-1002TX to be better than Dell 14Z? I see thatthe processor is the same in both the models. 14Z has 4GB more RAM than the HP model. Rest all features look the same.

Guys, could you please check this Dell model? This is the New Inspiron 14 and costs 45k. Weighs 2.1 KG, So it definitely is portable. Has 6GB RAM, 750GB HDD, NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 620M 1GB. But this misses out on the SkullCandy speakers. How is the audio quality and display for this model?

Right now I'm thinking about getting this new Inspiron model or 14Z. 14Z costs 10k more just for 200 gram less weight, and Skullcandy speakers. 14Z uses AMD Radeon™ HD 7570M with 1GB GDDR5, whereas Inspiron 14 uses NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 620M 1GB. Is the 10k extra amount worth paying for these? If it doesn't make much diference for my usage, i would rather go for Inspiron 14 only.
 
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dashing.sujay

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This maybe a silly question, but anyway here goes: Won't buying an external ODD negate the purpose of a laptop? I believe that we should not be spending another 2k for a piece of H/W when we're paying >50k for a laptop. Also it need to be carried with the laptop always.

It does, but a laptop's ODD can get kaput very soon ( at least in my case). So, I just said to prefer an ext ODD.[/quote]

@rider: Can you please explain why you feel HP ENVY 4-1002TX to be better than Dell 14Z? I see that the processor is the same in both the models. 14Z has 4GB more RAM than the HP model. Rest all features look the same.


Not worth the extra 14k.

Guys, could you please check this Dell model? This is the New Inspiron 14 and costs 45k. Weighs 2.1 KG, So it definitely is portable. Has 6GB RAM, 750GB HDD, NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 620M 1GB. But this misses out on the SkullCandy speakers. How is the audio quality and display for this model?

Right now I'm thinking about getting this new Inspiron model or 14Z. 14Z costs 10k more just for 200 gram less weight, and Skullcandy speakers. 14Z uses AMD Radeon™ HD 7570M with 1GB GDDR5, whereas Inspiron 14 uses NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 620M 1GB. Is the 10k extra amount worth paying for these? If it doesn't make much diference for my usage, i would rather go for Inspiron 14 only.

Not worth extra 10k. Inspiron 14 should be fine for your usage.
 

webgenius

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Guys, look at this thread. There are a lot of complaints about 14Z losing WiFi connection regularly, and also it doesn't have a VGA port. This means it cannot be connected to a monitor or a projector. Good thing I noticed these.
Seriously, how can they call it an ultrabook if it does not even connect to Wi-Fi properly? Dell Inspiron 14Z is a strict No-No for me now.

I have also ruled out Inspiron 14 since the battery backup is a bit low (2-3 hours) compared to ultrabook (5-6 hours).

As recommended before, I looked at other ultrabook options and I shortlisted these two:
HP Envy 4-1046TX -> 58k
HP Envy 4-1025TX -> 53k

The only difference I see from Flipkart specs is that the higher priced model has a 32GB SSD to go along with 500GB HDD. Both of them have VGA ports. a DVD drive would be definitely missed, but I guess I'll have to buy an external drive as recommended before and carry it.

Guys, are these the two best options for a portable laptop/ultrabook? Is it safe to get the 53k priced model? Do you know any other model that I might have missed here?

Please suggest.
 

rider

as Kratos
Guys, look at this thread. There are a lot of complaints about 14Z losing WiFi connection regularly, and also it doesn't have a VGA port. This means it cannot be connected to a monitor or a projector. Good thing I noticed these.
Seriously, how can they call it an ultrabook if it does not even connect to Wi-Fi properly? Dell Inspiron 14Z is a strict No-No for me now.

I have also ruled out Inspiron 14 since the battery backup is a bit low (2-3 hours) compared to ultrabook (5-6 hours).

As recommended before, I looked at other ultrabook options and I shortlisted these two:
HP Envy 4-1046TX -> 58k
HP Envy 4-1025TX -> 53k

The only difference I see from Flipkart specs is that the higher priced model has a 32GB SSD to go along with 500GB HDD. Both of them have VGA ports. a DVD drive would be definitely missed, but I guess I'll have to buy an external drive as recommended before and carry it.

Guys, are these the two best options for a portable laptop/ultrabook? Is it safe to get the 53k priced model? Do you know any other model that I might have missed here?

Please suggest.
These HP Envy 4-1046TX and 1025TX are great options, buy of your choice. I suggest you get with SSD, it will make your laptop rocket fast windows experiential.

lol. I think he was comparing Inspiron 14 and 14Z.

Oh! Alright!

For RAM expansion, better to put manually of g-skill or kingston 4 GB DDR3 1600Mhz.
 

randomuser111

Technomancer
I would suggest the Inspiron 14 as well, these ultrabook ULV is fine for basic usage but for programming its better to get a laptop with full power i5. Also Dell is a safe choice as it has the best after sales and support in India. :)

@ Rider, don't type too fast. Or use spellcheck. :) Just a kind advice. Many of your posts are difficult to comprehend.
 
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