A thought on the purpose of Bill& Melinda gates foundation

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Indyan

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I am expressing my opinions you know.
No, you arent just expressing your opinion, you are shouting it out near everyones ears and shoving it down their throat.

it is very pathetic when we find people still appreciates Bill gate
If you want others to respect your opinions and to take you seriously, you should learn to respect others opinion.
 
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praka123

praka123

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ah well! you ppl are focusing on me rather than the Original News. :| .I think ,I earlier itself said ,I dont care if any of you are interested or to lure you to FOSS.I just post the better options and its upto the 1users to chose.

Why not YOU ppl just express your views on this topic rather than mixing FOSS?
praka123 said:
it is very pathetic when we find people still appreciates Bill gate$
I am wondering how still people justify this person?do any of you live with him?do any of you feel good for his monopoly?

....now I am feeling like Jesus among ignorant and hypocrat j2ws . :rolleyes:

coming to OP :another interesting read :
It's not the Gates, it's the bars

To pay so much attention to Bill Gates' retirement is missing the point. What really matters is not Gates, nor Microsoft, but the unethical system of restrictions that Microsoft, like many other software companies, imposes on its customers.

That statement may surprise you, since most people interested in computers have strong feelings about Microsoft. Businessmen and their tame politicians admire its success in building an empire over so many computer users.

Many outside the computer field credit Microsoft for advances which it only took advantage of, such as making computers cheap and fast, and convenient graphical user interfaces.

Gates' philanthropy for healthcare for poor countries has won some people's good opinion. The LA Times reported that his foundation spends five to 10% of its money annually and invests the rest, sometimes in companies it suggests cause environmental degradation and illness in the same poor countries.

Many computerists specially hate Gates and Microsoft. They have plenty of reasons.

----------------- 'Solicit funds'

Microsoft persistently engages in anti-competitive behavior, and has been convicted three times. George W Bush, who let Microsoft off the hook for the second U.S. conviction, was invited to Microsoft headquarters to solicit funds for the 2000 election.

Many users hate the ""Microsoft tax"", the retail contracts that make you pay for Windows on your computer even if you won't use it.

In some countries you can get a refund, but the effort required is daunting.

There's also the Digital Restrictions Management: software features designed to ""stop"" you from accessing your files freely. Increased restriction of users seems to be the main advance of Vista.

--------------------- 'Gratuitous incompatibilities'

Then there are the gratuitous incompatibilities and obstacles to interoperation with other software. This is why the EU required Microsoft to publish interface specifications.

This year Microsoft packed standards committees with its supporters to procure ISO approval of its unwieldy, unimplementable and patented ""open standard"" for documents. The EU is now investigating this.

These actions are intolerable, of course, but they are not isolated events. They are systematic symptoms of a deeper wrong which most people don't recognize: proprietary software.

Microsoft's software is distributed under licenses that keep users divided and helpless. The users are divided because they are forbidden to share copies with anyone else. The users are helpless because they don't have the source code that programmers can read and change.

If you're a programmer and you want to change the software, for yourself or for someone else, you can't.

If you're a business and you want to pay a programmer to make the software suit your needs better, you can't. If you copy it to share with your friend, which is simple good-neighborliness, they call you a ""pirate"".

---------------------- 'Unjust system'

Microsoft would have us believe that helping your neighbor is the moral equivalent of attacking a ship.

The most important thing that Microsoft has done is to promote this unjust social system.

Gates is personally identified with it, due to his infamous open letter which rebuked microcomputer users for sharing copies of his software.

It said, in effect, ""If you don't let me keep you divided and helpless, I won't write the software and you won't have any. Surrender to me, or you're lost!""

----------------- 'Change system'

But Gates didn't invent proprietary software, and thousands of other companies do the same thing. It's wrong, no matter who does it.

Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and the rest, offer you software that gives them power over you. A change in executives or companies is not important. What we need to change is this system.

That's what the free software movement is all about. ""Free"" refers to freedom: we write and publish software that users are free to share and modify.

We do this systematically, for freedom's sake; some of us paid, many as volunteers. We already have complete free operating systems, including GNU/Linux.

Our aim is to deliver a complete range of useful free software, so that no computer user will be tempted to cede her freedom to get software.

In 1984, when I started the free software movement, I was hardly aware of Gates' letter. But I'd heard similar demands from others, and I had a response: ""If your software would keep us divided and helpless, please don't write it. We are better off without it. We will find other ways to use our computers, and preserve our freedom.""

In 1992, when the GNU operating system was completed by the kernel, Linux, you had to be a wizard to run it. Today GNU/Linux is user-friendly: in parts of Spain and India, it's standard in schools. Tens of millions use it, around the world. You can use it too.

Gates may be gone, but the walls and bars of proprietary software he helped create remain, for now.

Dismantling them is up to us. (Source:BBC)
*www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=172587
 

Pat

Beyond Smart
ah well! you ppl are focusing on me rather than the Original News. :| .I think ,I earlier itself said ,I dont care if any of you are interested or to lure you to FOSS.I just post the better options and its upto the 1users to chose.

Why not YOU ppl just express your views on this topic rather than mixing FOSS?

I am wondering how still people justify this person?do any of you live with him?do any of you feel good for his monopoly?

....now I am feeling like Jesus among ignorant and hypocrat j2ws . :rolleyes:

coming to OP :another interesting read :

*www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=172587

Dude, you really need to take that Art of living course :)
 

Kl@w-24

Slideshow Bob
You're obsessed with bringing down Bill gates & Microsoft!!! I hope this isn't contagious!!! :lol:
 

infra_red_dude

Wire muncher!
I am wondering how still people justify this person?do any of you live with him?do any of you feel good for his monopoly?
In that case, all of us who donate to save taxes are as bad as Bill Gates!

Dude, you surely need to take a walk out.... and see how beautiful the world is.. Its not all about MS and FOSS. There's a lot more to it. Don't get me wrong or misunderstand me, I'm not attacking you but IMHO you haf a lot of frustration and anger inside you which needs to be let out. My suggestion would be to climb up a hill, shout all that you can and take the frustration out... It'll help.. everybody...
 

chandru.in

In the zone
@Praka

I hate Microsoft's business practices (that includes Bill and Steve). I doubt the intentions of any large corporate's (or major corporate executive's) charity efforts. But I feel you are carrying things a bit too far. What is really necessary to share the flash movie link you had posted?? It kinda hurts the image of FOSS. FOSS has plenty of positives for itself like, freedom, a more robust and sustainable development model, zero vendor lock-in (and thus avoids monopoly), etc.

It is a different thing to refute many of the false statements about FOSS posted here (Digit Forum not this post). But please don't carry things too far. No offence meant. :)

@Others

Donating money to save taxes is not in anyway wrong. But if whoever does that should not be given the credit of being a "generous person". It is plain "tax-planning", not "Philanthropy". It is fine if Bill's foundation is donating or investing in anything. But just don't call it "Philanthropy".
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
To donate money, you need to have money. If you earn money and start donating you are evading taxes. :lol: What a great logic people have! :lol:
 

chandru.in

In the zone
BMG foundation does not just donate, it invests too. So it sounds more like any other investment business and not exactly a philanthropist body.
 
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praka123

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^exactly. they are into investing while in "charity" -no wonder the "philanthropist" bill gate$ is there to control! :lol:

bill gate$ :dont put your legs in two boats !It will be a disaster :D
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
... or Santa Clause who comes and drops money into BMG for donating. :lol: Oh! btw, I just noticed someone is trying to teach Bill Gates about business and running an organization :lol:
 

iNFiNiTE

The cake is a lie!!!
@Praka

Donating money to save taxes is not in anyway wrong. But if whoever does that should not be given the credit of being a "generous person". It is plain "tax-planning", not "Philanthropy". It is fine if Bill's foundation is donating or investing in anything. But just don't call it "Philanthropy".


If donating billions of dollars is not philanthropy, I don't know what else is...
If they simply needed tax-planning, they would have done directly through MS. It will surely be a much more positive campaign for the company.

And since the money is to be used for public charity, IMHO such efforts should be lauded and encouraged, instead of childish name calling and venting out personal hatred.
 

chandru.in

In the zone
I wish BMG foundation had a money plant (not the money plant) so that they would not have to invest.

Don't they have Microsoft and Bill's shares in it (he will hold it even after retirement)? I wonder if there is a more yielding money plant in this world than Microsoft.

If donating billions of dollars is not philanthropy, I don't know what else is...

Donating is philanthropy, investments are not.
 
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FilledVoid

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BMG foundation does not just donate, it invests too. So it sounds more like any other investment business and not exactly a philanthropist body.

Meaning of philanthropist:
1. The effort or inclination to increase the well-being of humankind, as by charitable aid or donations.
2. Love of humankind in general.
3. Something, such as an activity or institution, intended to promote human welfare.

How is BMG not doing any of the above? In my view what he has done is very noble. If we were going to say that every company evades taxes by donating then every single company in the world is a rip off artist. let me ask you all a question. You earn x billion dollars, Where you would have to play y million dollars as tax. Wouldn't anyone prefer to find a better cause for their money? So basically if they do donate they become tax evaders and scam artists. If they don't they are freaking self centered and selfish. Again, "Damned if they do , Damned if they don't"

Personally after reading this I've totally lost my opinion of Stallman. Picking on his software is one thing. Picking on contributions to the unfortunate ...... you so need to be shot.

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goobimama

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Hmm...

Why is it such a big problem to accept that it is okay to donate money and save on taxes at the same time? He is helping all those kids right? Not like he is doing some criminal activity of any kind.
 

chandru.in

In the zone
Just one thing. Donation is different from investments. If I start a company which invests in several companies and it also donates few bucks, I can't call it philanthropist/charity. If they want to promote AIDS research let them donate to such research firms, why "invest" in them?

Several pharma firms invest in research of AIDS and cancer treatments. Does it make all its investors philanthropists? If so, I just bought few shares of a pharma company. Now I'm a philanthropist (just a small one though). :D I know of several mutual fund houses which hold the shares too. :p

@goobimama

Even your pic says generous donations, not generous investments. :D
 
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praka123

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so if bill gate$ does investments undercover of "Philanthropy" it is called "Donation" ,I see!
 
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FilledVoid

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Just one thing. Donation is different from investments. If I start a company which invests in several companies and it also donates few bucks, I can't call it philanthropist/charity.

Why not? How exactly are you saying that these are investments? Or does everyone here have some kind of l337 mind reading skills that somehow I lack. For all anyone knows he could have don't it out of the good of himself. And neither can Stallman nor anyone else can prove otherwise. Do you seriously think anyone can donate money without earning it?

Several pharma firms invest in research of AIDS and cancer treatments. Does it make all its investors philanthropists? If so, I just bought few shares of a pharma company. Now I'm a philanthropist (just a small one though). I know of several mutual fund houses which hold the shares too.

How exactly is Microsoft promoting its interests through this foundation? Can you show billions of dollars as returns? Even if they could They rightfully deserve it.

Personally I'm amazed at this topic being active. Seriously do the users of these forum stoop so low as to criticize donations made to the poor? I'm amazed. I'm just freaking amazed at some people. I pray that you never get the short end of the stick to be one of those unfortunate ones. But if you we're trust me you would personally seek out the person who made this news and have shot him yourself.
 
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