7 Reasons Why Microsoft is Doomed!

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iMav

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upgrade pricing is microsoft's perogative its their wish .... we all want that what we desire should cost less but thats not the case ... if ms doesnt have a upgrade offer their marketing team simply feels they dont need it ... they believe that their product and brand has the ability to fetch the amount ...

so u still believe that the 7 points spell doom for ms :lol:
 
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iMav said:
upgrade pricing is microsoft's perogative its their wish .... we all want that what we desire should cost less but thats not the case ... if ms doesnt have a upgrade offer their marketing team simply feels they dont need it ... they believe that their product and brand has the ability to fetch the amount ...

You still support Microsoft on that and don't understand that it is what majority of the world is starting to hate. So, finally you agreed that it is a problem but now says it's up to MS?:p And you say they bundle Linux with branded PC's because that is what people want? Finally, you get your facts right but still fail to agree that people want things other than MS which inturn is going to spell the end of MS. What is your logic iMaV? You agree but you disagree?? :D :D

And plese read the hot news in the last post! :D

iMav said:
so u still believe that the 7 points spell doom for ms :lol:

Why do I need to repeatedly prove it to you? Again iMaV, you're starting your one liners and not giving any kind of valid responses trying to manipulate everything.
 

iMav

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1. which question ...

2. dude wats wrong with u ... ms isnt a charity organisation its a bloody private organisation .... who doesnt need a 911 carrera gt at the price of a maruti 800 who doesnt need a p1i at the price of 1100 .... does it mean we start hating porsche and SE coz they charge more ... or it is compulsary that if i own a SE handset SE should give me my next SE model at a discount :?
 
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2. dude wats wrong with u ... ms isnt a charity organisation its a bloody private organisation .... who doesnt need a 911 carrera gt at the price of a maruti 800 who doesnt need a p1i at the price of 1100 .... does it mean we start hating porsche and SE

Why do you still compare when you don't understand the difference between the computing industry and the car industry? I'm seriously fed up with arguing with ProMS guys like you! Why don't you read the posts clrearly which tells you what mistakes you guys are making when you compare the wrong INDUSTRIES!! Grow up iMaV, understand what things imply and please read the posts carefully and don't say the same thing after reading it because I don't want to waste my time writing the same thing trying to expain it to you over again.:cool:

Stop thread crapping and flame provoking.
 

iMav

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there is no dfference between the car industry the cell phone industry the liquor industry the IT industry when it comes to business ... the goal is 1 ... sell more and increase profit ... and the company who has a better product wins ;) for the past few decades ots ms ;)
 

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IMO microsoft shud make dx10 come in xp, because going to vista is not worth it and they are losing their preciious money, besides its an advantage to all of us ei?
 

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Help~Is~Here said:
Why do you think they are shipping open source OS with Branded Computers rather than going with MS XP or Vista.
Don't u get it after so many times of explaining. If the customer ask for it, they give it. Simple. Microsoft isn't running Dell & HP

The same business tactic that you are talking about that MS uses is what no one likes and that's what is taking it down, not the products. And that is what is implied when I say "bad company with bad customer ethics"
So according to you it is wrong for MS to charge for all the money they spend in the research & development of DirectX 10, IPv6, Vista, Aero, DWM. I don't know, but one advice to u, never start your own software company :D

And that is something that not lot of companies do. They get carried away by so many things that the average home users needs are shunned. And that is what unfortunately people like you are also doing, not looking at the very basic picture.
Who faces Piracy the most in this world? Is it Apple or is it Microsoft or Adobe or Autodesk? If you have some idea to prevent piracy then plz come forward with it so that MS can recover the money they loose by piracy so that overall they can release the software for cheap.

You talk that Indians should have affordable computing. Right....despite of all the high cost Indians pirates Windows a lot. So the money of an Indian user is money, which he shouldn't pay for such High priced Windows, but the money MS loses on every pirated Windows isn't money? Wow.....plz don't ever start a business.
Why can't Win98 support DX10 when I've paid for it? The price at launch for Win98 was approx $100. Now, as far a standard home user is concerned, he's paid $100 for a product, so why can't it support DX10?
Because technology is changed. Windows 98 will need a complete rewrite of the whole OS to support DirectX 10. It was released in 1998. I don't know but do u still see Sony making lens for Playstation 1? or Maruti making parts for the old OMNI Model in large quantity?

Windows 98 cannot support Direct 10 cos that needs a new kernel, new driver model, new display model, new everything. Developing all this uses money which Microsoft cannot give for free. They are also a business where many software developers work & they need to pay them too.

U paid $100 for Windows 98 10 years ago, you have recovered the cost of Windows 98 with so much work that u have done on your computer. U can continue to work on it if u like, Windows 98 lacks the resources to support DX 10 so it has no DX 10.

R U on pot asking for DX 10 for Win98 when XP bought so much stability compared to Windows 98 which Vista has extended further.

why MS is not letting it's users upgrade at a fair discounted price because they have a previous version of windows and not force them into paying a propostorous price and abandon the previous OS completely.
You really don't know about the upgrade edition of Windows Vista & XP Do U :d. They are much cheaper then retail edition.

But the problem is that you can't sell old sofware! no one will buy old second hand sofware and then comes the issue of piracy if you sell that copy you had!
You can buy the new software at a lower price compared to retail software. Isn't this the same as selling your old OS?

why Companies like MS are not selling their OS at a discounted rate as an upgrade for people who already have another version!!!!
Lolz.....I don't know what to say now. Ever heard about upgrade prices of any software company? Adobe gives Photoshop CS3 at discount prise if u already have Photoshop CS2. Do U even know the concept & the fact the upgrade edition of software already exist since years :D.

On top of that, they dont' allow you to sell your previous sofware because then it amounts to piracy, what the heck is all this? This is called forcing if you still can't figure it out!
Its not your software, u paid a license to use it. U didn't buy the right to screw the OS, & mod it the way u want to sale it again.

Do you see where you are being blindfolded @gx?
Nope...I m watching some HD Porn encoded in a HD DVD right now in Vista which I can't do in Linux. Sorry I can't see your point :D
So, the next time you start arguing and saying things
So the next time u start provoking threads asking out replies, make sure u have the time & understanding knowledge of accepting facts of what others say.

U hate the MS business model? Fine, don't use it. Now don't sing a song in a Crossroad or here in the forum. People will use what they like.

I'm talking about upgrade pricing which is non existent where MS is forcing you to cough up money for something you already own!
ROFL :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

u r an Admin, no seriously, u r? tell me which company. I will sue MS myself if u come out to be true

Just look here yourself

[FONT=verdana,geneva]This Taken From The Windows Vista Team Blog.


"Today we're announcing further detail on how Windows Anytime Upgrade works. Come 30 January, Windows Anytime Upgrade will allow customers to purchase and download a digital key to upgrade to a more feature-rich edition of Windows Vista. The user will then complete the upgrade process by inserting the Windows Vista DVD that came with their PC or with their retail purchase of Windows Vista. The program will be available in the US, Canada, Europe and Japan.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) to upgrade from a more basic version of Windows Vista are: [/FONT]
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva]Home Basic --> Home Premium: $79[/FONT]
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva]Home Basic --> Ultimate: $199[/FONT]
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva]Home Premium --> Ultimate: $159[/FONT]
  • [FONT=verdana,geneva]Business --> Ultimate: $139[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]We've designed Windows Anytime Upgrade as a measure of convenience for our customers and hope it proves to be a way for you to more easily advance to a more fully-featured edition of Windows Vista."[/FONT]
So, you were saying non-existent Upgrade edition :D

microsoft shud make dx10 come in xp, because going to vista is not worth it and they are losing their preciious money, besides its an advantage to all of us

DirectX 10 can be back ported to Windows XP but this will need rewrite of 50% of Windows XP. MS did that & released it as Windows Vista. you want to game with DX 10 upgrade to Vista with new features, else stick to XP.

I guess I should stop posting. The mods already hate me a lot...& I don't wanna get banned cos no one here is ready to listen to explanation & justification
 
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infra_red_dude

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you ppl don't seem to get the point, no matter what! in an ubuntu 6.06 u can upgrade the kernel to the latest one, the drivers, the nw stack, the web server etc. and run happily even today wid the rest of the system being the same and untouched. how big is this download? temme...

ok, if that doesn't satisfy you u can update the X window system, gnome/kde, apps like office suits, multimedia apps etc. and still be running ubuntu 6.06. but apart from the os core parts mentioned in the 1st para it is cumbersome to download each package and update. hence you haf a new distro. if you don't need these updates then a simple kernel and related updates will keep ur old ubuntu running rock solid! you can still run all the latest technology apps on this kinda system. temme now...why wud u need a new distro then? so that it jus reduces updating each app thats it... since linux comes wid a plethora of apps for everyday use (office suites, media players and what not...again plz don't start that MS can't bundle apps etc. coz this point in completely unrelated to it. we are simply comparing the no. of apps that are updated)

now consider windows, can you be running win2000 and upgrade to a vista kernel? can you include support for aero? can u update iis? can u upgrade to the new bsd-borrowed networking stack of vista? can you upgrade to xp or vista like interface?

get the point now????
 
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@gx, you are a kid that just doesn't understand, this is the second time I'm telling you not to seperate my sentences and manipulate it to something that you like. I'm warning you not to do it again, if you want to quote me, quote an entire para or what ever I wrote, don't seperate them and act like you are the smart one.

@Infra_red_dude, forget it man, these guys just don't understand, when I'm talking about upgrade version of Windows, he's talking about adobe! What a kid! On top of that, he's posted double upgrade, more $$$ for the customer!! He is asking us to buy a retail version of Vista and then spend more money in some so called inter-package upgrade when we are talking about the upgrade from an earlier version of windows to a newer one! Does this kid even know what he is speaking about? Doesn't he understand what we write? Oh wait... how can he?
 
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iMav

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ok so how does all the discussion after page 4 lead to MS being doomed viz a vi the 7 points in the first post :?
 

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iMav said:
ok so how does all the discussion after page 4 lead to MS being doomed viz a vi the 7 points in the first post :?
most of the points haf been brought in by you or GX and replying to those posts filled up 4 pages. so i must ask this Q to you.

at least my explanation above (my latest post) throws some light as to why ppl/org who run servers will not prefer windows server editions and this is where they may get hit. so tht post of mine is not offtopic.
 
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infra_red_dude said:
most of the points haf been brought in by you or GX and replying to those posts filled up 4 pages. so i must ask this Q to you.

at least my explanation above (my latest post) throws some light as to why ppl/org who run servers will not prefer windows server editions and this is where they may get hit. so tht post of mine is not offtopic.

And also accepting the fact that people need and already want opensource than windows and that's why desktop manufacturers are going in for those than windows.. that again is going to hit MS, but wait, they agree but disagree... check few posts back.. post 110 to be precise.
 

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Windows has nothing to gain but to loose . Linux(and open source) has nothing to loose but to gain and gain and gain .........
 

iMav

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infra_red_dude said:
most of the points haf been brought in by you or GX and replying to those posts filled up 4 pages. so i must ask this Q to you.

at least my explanation above (my latest post) throws some light as to why ppl/org who run servers will not prefer windows server editions and this is where they may get hit. so tht post of mine is not offtopic.
ya well u can go thru the discussion for more info on who spoke on what topics ... who talked abt windows 98 having dx 10 and etc ... ird ur in all fairness wrong abt who brought up what issues .... its wrong to always blame gx if u want u can chk for urself gx has only replied quote by quote and not him who came up with reasoning of 98 having dx 10
 
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iMav said:
ya well u can go thru the discussion for more info on who spoke on what topics ... who talked abt windows 98 having dx 10 and etc ... ird ur in all fairness wrong abt who brought up what issues .... its wrong to always blame gx if u want u can chk for urself gx has only replied quote by quote and not him who came up with reasoning of 98 having dx 10

Do you think I was joking about Win98 being able to play DX10 games? Do you seriously think I would say something stupid that is not true? Maybe you haven't heard about the 'Alky Projects'. How can you guys turn out to be kiddos like this, I though you knew what you were speaking about till now!
Anyways, my whole point about bringing up that topic was to imply the 'non-existent' upgrade versions of windows, please don't keep nagging about it, which shows that you haven't understood what it implied or what I was writing till now! So, when ever you repeat that sentence again, I'll just consider it as a failure of understanding or ignorance rather because of the plain fact that you don't seem to understand what that implied.
 

gxsaurav

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oooooo...I so wanna kick HiH arse for his lame claim of Non-Existant Vista upgrades :D

Must resist kicking the arse of ignorant fanboys :D
 

iMav

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ya no upgrade options and 98 should support dx 10 ... hell why only dx 10 t shud also support dx 10.1 ... aint i right HiH
 
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