7 Reasons Why Microsoft is Doomed!

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infra_red_dude

Wire muncher!
everyone forgot the real money generator for ms: MS office!! its not windows which has the greatest share of revenue but its due MS OFFICE!!! and this has been admitted by a senior MS employee who gave a guest lecture few months ago in my college.

and unless gaming in GNU/unix based OS takes off MS is sure to stay!
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
MS office, XBOX Live, Exchange Server, Windows, XBOX (Machine), WSUS, just a few of many MS cash cows.

Thread should be locked, it will only attract unnecessary flame war.
 

infra_red_dude

Wire muncher!
gx_saurav said:
...it is unless your time has no value which u spend on actually getting Linux to work.
bullsh!t. plz stop posting this crap again and again. keep ur eyes wide open and try to see around you. its not the 90s anymore, we are in 2007!


gx_saurav said:
Web Apps have always been there, but u forgot...Google cannot give a whole Internet based word processor better then MS word Or OpenOffice.org Writer.
MS Office is the best app out there and there is absolutely no comptt.!! and imho there can be none in the coming few years. this is a highly matured product, hard to survive widout!

gx_saurav said:
Orkut? We have Windows Live spaces too
Google Docs is a joke compared to even Abiword or OpenOffice.
Google Talk, ever heard about Windows Live Messenger or MSN messenger.
Picasa, ever tried Windows Photo gallery?
all the MS alternatives you gave are not even worthy of throwing into the trash! u are comparing orkut and windows live spaces? picasa and windows photo gallery.... man.. this should be the joke of the thread!!!


gx_saurav said:
Nope, u just need common sence.
and this is what most of the ppl lack. not everyone is like you and me to survive widout an AV!

gx_saurav said:
Already there in Windows Vista by default.
what... defender? you say it works?? omfg... :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen: :D someone plz take the laughing gas outta the room!!!!

gx_saurav said:
But time is not imporant in Linux & it is ok to hunt for drivers, & files & then blame MS if your graphics card from ATI doesn't work.
this is what i've been telling ppl too, time and again. if ur hardware doesn't work in an OS its not the fault of the OS.

gx_saurav said:
Ever tried removing Windows Component? The defragmenter in Vista automatically defragment.
you speak crap man!!! if you keep instlling and removing loads of software then jus go thru the system32 folder..... i won't say anything else here!


gx_saurav said:
You hate DRM, don't buy DRM content. Vista won't affect anything else u use.
fully agree. i think DRM is overhyped here in india!! don't buy DRM if you don't support it. its as simple as that. nobody if forcing you to buy it.
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
infra_red_dude said:
bullsh!t. plz stop posting this crap again and again. keep ur eyes wide open and try to see around you. its not the 90s anymore, we are in 2007!

U cannot deny the fact that Windows is easier then Linux, most compatible with hardware out there, has lods of many usefull softwares.

u are comparing orkut and windows live spaces?

Sorry, Orkut is a better timepass :D. I should have said Blogger & WLS

picasa and windows photo gallery..

Aren't both Photo Management applications?

and this is what most of the ppl lack. not everyone is like you and me to survive widout an AV!

what... defender? you say it works??

No comments, plz read the reports about Defender.

you speak crap man!!! if you keep instlling and removing loads of software then jus go thru the system32 folder..... i won't say anything else here!

Donno how my System32 folder is only 200 MB more then initial state 10 months ago here in Vista :D

The thread itself is baseless & flaming, it should be locked.
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
infra its not only abt the driver availability also the ease of installation ...

and also if u say ppl dont have the common sense to run windows w/o an av then we can well imagine the excitement they shall be faced with trying to mount an ntfs partition
 

infra_red_dude

Wire muncher!
gx_saurav said:
U cannot deny the fact that Windows is easier then Linux, most compatible with hardware out there, has lods of many usefull softwares.
i don't say windows is easier than linux. its just tht ppl haf been exposed to windows from a long time. the bullet of yester years had the gear lever on the right side and many ppl said its tuff to drive but ask those who'd owned and drove it since ages. i agree wid the second and third about the hardware compat. and no. of software. but then its coz of the the popularity of windows which none denies :)


gx_saurav said:
Aren't both Photo Management applications?
picasa is much more than that and a million times better than windows photo gallery.

gx_saurav said:
No comments, plz read the reports about Defender.
yeah, no comments here either. plz use defender first and then say it again!!!


gx_saurav said:
Donno how my System32 folder is only 200 MB more then initial state 10 months ago here in Vista :D
you haf 200 mb of redundant crap in there then! of corz all mite not be crap. but nobody can deny that total uninstallation is not possible everytime and it does slow down windows over the time. now the time may vary in everycase. it mebbe months or years....

iMav said:
infra its not only abt the driver availability also the ease of installation ...
you say that coz you want a dual boot system. ever tried giving linux the whole harddisk and seen how easy it is to install? do try it.

iMav said:
and also if u say ppl dont have the common sense to run windows w/o an av then we can well imagine the excitement they shall be faced with trying to mount an ntfs partition
plz try a newer distro and then speak. why wud u want an ntfs partition anyways on a linux system? then i can say that windows doesn't even read ext2,3 FS!!! let alone mounting...

i'm not a linux guy.. as i've said time and again i use both extensively and some of the points here are totally absurd.

i know i'm going off topic.. so guys can be either get on topic or haf the thread closed?
 

vish786

"The Gentleman"
infra_red_dude said:
... i'm not a linux guy.. as i've said time and again i use both extensively and some of the points......

that applies to me also
i use both to extremes,
yet to try a hand on Mac. :(
when will i get my Mac OS. :(
 

shantanu

Technomancer
defender : i use it from a long time.. i have only Vista now, had Xp about 2 months back with only defender and not a AV. in vista too only defender.. its a good software.. i dont find a point where it lacks.. i dont know how some of you guys use your systems.. ?


i guess everyone is proving their points, whether it is baseless also.... thread getting deviated..

so Thread closed/
 
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Help~Is~Here

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Hmmm... 12hrs (when orginally this was supposed to be posted) into thread posting and already so many replies? I didn't expect it!

Anyways, first things first. @gx, stop asking anyone to lock this thread. You have no right to ask anyone to do that. I don't understand why on every thread that seems to be a threat to MS, you keep asking to lock it. If you don't want to reply on this thread, don't! But other's who want to express their opinions, let them! If you think statements against MS is flaming, then I would ask you not to reply in this thread anymore.

As far as the thread itself is concerned, whether it was written by some stupid blogger is totally irrelevant because of the fact that what ever presented is clearly the thruth and logical reasoning can tell you that.

Software business is no longer a money machine because of the simple fact that first of all people expect things to be cheap and available freely to them because they expect things like computers to help easily without being a money monker. Secondly, there are lot of other softwares that are alternatively available either free or at a fraction of the price. Now, even if there is no alternative, people have managed to crack every software that one can imagine of! There is hardly any software in the world that has not been cracked. Sofware piracy can never be stopped because no matter how much of intelectual property rights and any other legality involved, it always points to the basic fact of human life that is computing for free and not at a killing price! Money being charged for very specifically used applications can be justified, but sofware for everyday use(OS) being charged? I don't think that is justified when there are a hell lot of other alternative softwares that can be available for free!

And it makes sense to anyone in the world that get it as cheap as possible is the best thing! Hardware prices were at a very forbidden price long back but today it has come down the reach of common man but the case with sofware has been the other way around. The prices have always been going away from the reach of common man and let me tell you that, that is a very bad monopolistic greedy idea in this age where computing is available at a much cheaper rate!

The point is simple, if you don't bring down the price, we are going to look for alternatives! If anyone thinks that the hundreds of big corporates who are replacing their entire infrastructure with cheaper linux based models are nut crackers and are dumb idiots who are stupid, then I don't know what to say about the person who thinks like that? And also if you think companies like IBM, Dell and HP who happened to be the largest desktop PC manufacturers in the world are pre-installing linux on their systems because they are stupid and have seen the potential, then again, I don't know what to say to people who think so! And also the no. of Linux Apache servers compared to Windows servers will tell you the story about how well MS is in the server market! Hell, now that IBM is bringing out cell based servers, it's even going to break the Intel-MS monoply or partnership.

@Imav, you didn't get the point about the XBox, did you? how will you when you eyes are blindfolded by microsoft? The point is not about the sales volume for the XBox, but the fact that the XBox has been selling at a loss especially at times when MS announced a $1billion fund into replacement and warranty due to the ROD issues on the XBox. How will you understand that? naa... forget it!

For those of you who keep saying linux is so hard to install and so hard to work with, either you haven't installed the latest versions on your systems, or you dont' know anything about computing that you just stick to something that is commonly used by people who don't know how to use computers or you are simply a ProMS!

Open your eyes people, this is the era where companies have realized that it's the right of every person to have 'affordable computing' and not squeeze the money out of people who just want to use a computer because they have to!

Related Links:
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shantanu

Technomancer
@hih : the first thing is that every member can ask for what he/she wants.. whether he /she feels that the thread should be locked or not. ! then you srarted the thread in the worng section if you wanted others to express their views ... views can be expressed, but only if they are views.. not flames..

SO its a notice for this thread : ANYONE i REPEAT , ANYONE.. who will post a bit of flame will face misery for a week..after my post, so be aware that not to flame...
 
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shantanu said:
@hih : the first thing is that every member can ask for what he/she wants.. whether he /she feels that the thread should be locked or not. ! then you srarted the thread in the worng section if you wanted others to express their views ... views can be expressed, but only if they are views.. not flames..

SO its a notice for this thread : ANYONE i REPEAT , ANYONE.. who will post a bit of flame will face misery for a week..after my post, so be aware that not to flame...

I get your point, but the only reason I mentioned that was because the last time I asked the mods to lock a thread, the entire users on the thread came to beat me up... sadly including the mods saying that it was everyone's right to keep the thread open.. that is why I had to bring that up.. sorry if it offended anyone.
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
1. more often than not pro MS guys get banned for refuting dumb claims
2. the blogger has logical reasoning :lol:

and as far as xbox is concerned it is a loss making right now ... the whole indian aviation ind is loss making does that mean the services are crap or every1 shud stop pack up & leave .... xbox is second to only wii and that too pricing of the wii and the 360 has blown away any potential ps3 competition .... wen the first xbox was launched we all know every1 lamblasted ms for a crappy console ms doesnt know how to make a console blah blah and wat happened then ms came with a new 1 and the best console in the market the best console makers in the market were left eating dust ... thats the point i m makin abt the xbox ....

so ur point is only that if ms doesnt bring prices down they are doomed:?

For those of you who keep saying linux is so hard to install and so hard to work with, either you haven't installed the latest versions on your systems, or you dont' know anything about computing that you just stick to something that is commonly used by people who don't know how to use computers or you are simply a ProMS!
shantanu my reply to this wud be considered flaming but i doubt whether any1 will raise objection to the provocative nature of the quote
 

vish786

"The Gentleman"
iMav said:
infra its not only abt the driver availability also the ease of installation ...
kya ease of installation.... ease of installtion... ki leye rota reha hai. can " we " use windows without even touchin mouse/keyboard:D.

Kuch naya bolo yaar ek hi baat sun sun ke pak/bore gaya hu.
iMav said:
and also if u say ppl dont have the common sense to run windows w/o an av then we can well imagine the excitement they shall be faced with trying to mount an ntfs partition
u wont believe i have not mounted any windows partitions manually, everthing is done automatically in buntu/mandriva/suse/and most of them which i have tested.

I have nothing else to say abt it.

shantanu said:
@hih : the first thing is that every member can ask for what he/she wants.. whether he /she feels that the thread should be locked or not. ! then you srarted the thread in the worng section if you wanted others to express their views ... views can be expressed, but only if they are views.. not flames..

SO its a notice for this thread : ANYONE i REPEAT , ANYONE.. who will post a bit of flame will face misery for a week..after my post, so be aware that not to flame...
Aap ki baat " Sirako per "
 
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iMav

The Devil's Advocate
coming back to the topic ... help~is~here how abt replying to this post:

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=594403&postcount=9

vish i dont know but the ubuntu i have needs me to type tedious lines of codes to load a ntfs drive same is the case with slax and well just dont have the time to sit and type lines of codes to install display drivers ... u have it good for u ... enjoy it
 
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iMav said:
1. more often than not pro MS guys get banned for refuting dumb claims
2. the blogger has logical reasoning :lol:

and as far as xbox is concerned it is a loss making right now ... the whole indian aviation ind is loss making does that mean the services are crap or every1 shud stop pack up & leave .... xbox is second to only wii and that too pricing of the wii and the 360 has blown away any potential ps3 competition .... wen the first xbox was launched we all know every1 lamblasted ms for a crappy console ms doesnt know how to make a console blah blah and wat happened then ms came with a new 1 and the best console in the market the best console makers in the market were left eating dust ... thats the point i m makin abt the xbox ....

so ur point is only that if ms doesnt bring prices down they are doomed:?

Dude, I meant prices for softwares, not for their already at a loss console. As far as the XBox360 is concerned, you too agree that it has been selling at a loss. Which means microsoft is at a loss with the product regardless of if it's the best one or not! Now, if microsoft wants to make a profit, they have to increase the price of the console which is obviously going to help more no. of PS3s and Wiis go out from store shelves. The only reason that the XBox360 is selling more is becasue of it's price compared to the PS3, now if MS wants to make profit, raising the price like mentioned before is also not going to help them. So, the point is, XBox360 is a loss for MS regardless of even if it's the best console in the world because of the simple fact that it's already at a loss and even if they increase the price, it will still be a loss!

iMav said:
and as far as web 2.0 is concerned ... look at the entire live package ... its all web 2.0 ... no 1 in their minds can say MS flunked web 2.0 or watever ;)
the business model and web 2.0 points were something that help~is~here u urself cud hav made sense and not put here ...

Yeah, the entire live package has been the most horrible piece of online application I have ever seen in my life, after MS shifted to live services, because of the big pain in the wrong place due to loading times and system resources issue, I started collecting my mails via OE and not use hotmail anymore, and stopped using MSN messenger and shifted to other AIO messenger services.

Dude, no one is saying that MS doesn't have Web2.0 services. They do, but they failed horribly in getting any users interested in the horribly slow and system resources hogging services! On the contrary, google has been just building up it's services on Web2.0 which is much faster and much more user friendly(User friendly doesn't mean eye-candy)
 
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iMav

The Devil's Advocate
ms is not increasing prices of the xbox on the contrary prices have been dropping ... and dude i hardly know of any company/brand that has been making profit since launch/establishment ... as i said the whole indian aviation ind is loss making .... today business is loss making for the initial periosd and the break even point is atleast 5-6 years for almost all major businesses so please dont consider that because xbox is loss making now ms will shut shop ... do u think jet airways, kingfisher, indian are going to close they have been loss making for years now ...

and please reply to the post i have requested u to

with regards to liove services: its ur choice that u dont like messenger or hotmail ... im rather thrilled at my 5gb hotmail, skydrive, live spaces, live gallery and its a given that live is gonna have a lot more ... its even been posted in the tech news section .... easy to use and eye candy i have been saying that since i jopined this forum ... i dont want to bring it here but os x its all eye candy ;) and live uyes its not suitable for indian internet conx speeds as of now but that doesnt mean the services are crap ... u feel the services are crap is no reason to believe that ms will shut shop
 
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praka123

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Just let the users here,even a fraction atleast just let them know that microsoft and windows are not praised and worshipped as the three geniuses are trying to force on you.
One word-let the monopoly of microsoft shattered,the world will be much better with a lot of options and more stable Platforms.
By the time ppl knew that what Vista with DRM means-it will be a big shock for average user.not blaming microsoft alone all those music rights groups in the name of fair use are really limiting the ppl from using Vista with DRM(proteced_video_path :rolleyes: ).
the same case is with Nokia too.once they became a monopoly,things can be a little difficult to have the mobile platform remain as of now.nokia too can act as microsoft way of monopoly.thx to SE i hope atleast mobile platform be free of these big demons.
Monopolies at any field means users(you!) are forced to use whatever they pressurize on you directly or indirectly(microsoft Vista os as an eg)
Many ppl see Bill gates as a genius-but i see him as a good marketer.
Bill gates pushed the software licence crap model.otherwise OSS movement shud have grown much more than what @1980's RMS envisaged.
anti-trust-this word is linked with the genius's company from the day it gained popularity.
A class action settlement that will see Microsoft pay up to $180 million to Iowa consumers and $75 million to their lawyers was approved Friday morning by Polk County District Court Judge Scott Rosenberg.

The approval ends a seven-year legal battle in which Des Moines lawyer Roxanne Conlin and others had accused Microsoft of anti-trust activities, which they claimed boosted the price of the company’s computer software.

The settlement was reached in February following three months of a trial that was expected to last well into the summer.
*desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070831/BUSINESS/70831027/-1/LIFE04
Analysis: DRM may be why Microsoft flip-flopped on Vista virtualization
Did the company's entertainment industry partners get cranky?
 
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