Why I Won't Buy an iPhone
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
No, I wasn't. I hate the iPhone's not having official support for third party applications. Steve Jobs' lame arguments against them never convinced me. I've always bashed this decision - always hated it. I am frustrated and angry because I really want the phone and I also really want third party applications. 
Cross-platform compatibility? I don't give a ****! Every Mac user knows that cross platform applications are the worst ones on Mac OS X. I have an iPhone and it has native applications. That's all I care about. Why do I give a damn about whether my application works on other phones or not! I don't care.
Oh, I have JAVA on my phone and I've never seen any decent JAVA application apart from Opera Mini (and maybe the Gmail one). Now, Opera Mini itself is heavily inspired by MobileSafari and the interface of the latter is still much better. JAVA applications have horrid interfaces and they are total pain to use. Having JAVA slows down the phone and even computers. Basically, it is impossible to make really great applications using JAVA and therefore, I see no reason for it to exist.pathiks said:
Cross-platform compatibility? I don't give a ****! Every Mac user knows that cross platform applications are the worst ones on Mac OS X. I have an iPhone and it has native applications. That's all I care about. Why do I give a damn about whether my application works on other phones or not! I don't care.
dude save urself the embarrassment and stop posting in this thread
gxsaurav
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aryayush said:
See, selling ring tones is not the problem. But the ability to set your own music files, or that music which u purchased from iTunes & play in iPhone is not available. Thats the problem. In all the other Multimedia phones u can set any mp3 file as a ring tone, but in case of iPhone u have to "purchase" a song which u already own again...that is the problem
I know people who change there ringtone every 3 days. U think they will be happy to buy a new song even if they already own it, every 3 days?
But doesn't provide us the ability to set our ringtone which we want. Any mp3 of our choice.
Yes they can, just follow Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola & give us the ability to set any mp3 as a ringtone.
aryayush said:
That & IM+, Morange, Talkonaut etc etc et
Wait, Opera used a time machine to come to 2007 & use the Safari browser in iPhone so that they can go back to 2004 & release Opera Mini...u really r on crack boy
..The technology is compleately different, the method is compleately different. The data it requirs to see a webpage on Opera mini is 5% of that on iPhone lolz.....MobileSafari sux compared to Opera Mini cos opera mini does the same thing as mobile safari but at lower data download...
HA HA HA HA HA HA
JAVA apps work & communicate directly with the CPU & RAM, & don't need an OS at all....thats why even firmware based phones run them at the same speed as Nokia N73 (although CPU speed matters). You have a C2D in your macbook, why r u worried about Speed when Apple makes there own virtual machine for java according to Mac OS X
Don't ever say that in front of a JAVA developer like Anuj
lolz...Lolz.....developer friends do I have to remind u all again of arya's stupidy & lack of knowledge about how computers work.
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gxsaurav
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^^^Lolz....JAVA Apps are usually slow on computers then native apps cos they run in using a JAVA Virtual Machine, however in case of firmware based phones they can interect directly with the Phone's hardware without the need of an OS.
In anycase, running a JAVA Application does not slows down the computer.....the apps is slow, in responce time, screen redraw etc but this can be solved with a fast CPU & more RAM.
In anycase, running a JAVA Application does not slows down the computer.....the apps is slow, in responce time, screen redraw etc but this can be solved with a fast CPU & more RAM.
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
@arya
I won't do a multi-quote reply here. But I've said this before and I'm saying it again: You don't haf even the slightest idea about Embedded Java Technology!
@gx
NO Java App can DIRECTLY interact with any hardware. Whether its on a PC or on Embedded Devices (like cellphones etc.), a Java app requires a Java Virtual Machine. In case of smaller embedded devices the JVM is many times called as KVM - Kilobyte Virtual Machine. KVM will run on 16bit+ uP and 128KB+ memory.
I won't do a multi-quote reply here. But I've said this before and I'm saying it again: You don't haf even the slightest idea about Embedded Java Technology!
@gx
NO Java App can DIRECTLY interact with any hardware. Whether its on a PC or on Embedded Devices (like cellphones etc.), a Java app requires a Java Virtual Machine. In case of smaller embedded devices the JVM is many times called as KVM - Kilobyte Virtual Machine. KVM will run on 16bit+ uP and 128KB+ memory.
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
I know. I've never refused that. The point is, I don't want to know. The end result is what matters to me and so far, I have never seen any decent JAVA application. (And gx_saurav saying that they are decent just strengthens my belief that they are crap. After all, this guy worships Windows!)infra_red_dude said:
Yeah, I know. I myself am not a fan of the fact that you cannot make any MP3 file on your phone a ringtone. I hate it! But you have to take into consideration that Apple Inc. has to maintain a working relationship with the music execs and the day Apple allows you to have free ringtones, all the music labels will pull the plug on the iTunes Store. It sucks but that's just the way it is and it's not going to change any time soon.gx_saurav said:
None of those companies is the largest online retailer of music in twenty-two countries.gx_saurav said:
LOL! Who is talking about Opera Mini 1.0? I am talking about the latest beta. It is heavily inspired by MobileSafari. Even the animations are similar and Opera Software practically accepts that they copied the iPhone browser. They had that unfunny video a while back that touted that Opera Mini is almost exactly the same as MobileSafari while being free. Stop twisting statements and purposely misinterpreting them. You know just as well as I do that I was talking about the latest beta only.gx_saurav said:
It is my opinion and I am entitled to have any opinion I want and have the complete freedom to voice it on this forum as long as I am following the rules.gx_saurav said:
Anyway, I'm not very happy about doing these multi-quote replies anymore so keep saying whatever you want - it is just not going to change my opinion that JAVA plain ol' sucks. It is just a personal thing. Maybe Milind loves JAVA. That is not going to change my opinion. I may be wrong, of course but I am free to have any opinion I want.
But one thing I can say for certain is that there are extremely few good JAVA applications around (if any) and certainly none on Mac OS X.
gxsaurav
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aryayush said:
Cos I don't think u have ever used one
All other phone manufacturers give this option. Do I see universal suing Sony Ericsson? Talk something which makes sense. If all other manufacturers can give it, then there is no reason Apple can't give it.
Thats it...no more requirment for arya to post his stupidity.
Thats the beauty of JAVA. If there is a good JAVA app on any platform other then Mac, then it is also there for Mac OS X cos JAVA runs anywhere
alsiladka
Noobie Pro
For the phones, i feel Yahoo! Go 2 deserves a mention, although i hate it for taking away Yahoo! Go 1 from me, but on the whole, it is not bad. It works very fast on 6300, but very slow on N73.
Other good JAVA apps would be mig33, Opera Mini 4 beta 2, Cricketcast...
But ya, JAVA apps dont match the Native OS apps, whether it be S60, UIQ, WM
Other good JAVA apps would be mig33, Opera Mini 4 beta 2, Cricketcast...
But ya, JAVA apps dont match the Native OS apps, whether it be S60, UIQ, WM
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