Why are IIT's preferred over other engineering colleges in India?

[SaiyanGoku]

ISC board has a lot of practicals. :-/

Compare number of schools affiliated to CICSE to that of CBSE and other state boards. Also compare the number of students they have.

Most brilliant students aren't lucky and/or rich enough to get good schooling in India and even if they do, they're pushed towards engineering. Couple this with the ridiculous caste based reservation system where even a rich SC/ST candidate with 20% marks gets admission while a General/OBC (stupid creamy layer criteria here) with 80%+ marks doesn't.

People here get a B. Tech first and then decide what they actually want to do.

 

[mikael_schiffer]

So after reading all your comments i conclude this:

1) IITs are good, only with regard to rival engineering colleges of India.
2) IIT is overhyped, extremely popular...mostly theoretical and less practical.
3) IIT-ians usually end up in shittier jobs than expected.

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Ok let me take out some of your misconceptions. Firstly, any institute doesn't become a top institute simply because it have been ranked by some organizations based on some preconceived notions etc.

Institutes becomes great by the level of teachers, pupil and students (human resource) that are there to inculcate the real education. Infrastructure does make a difference upto a limit. But, having said that, these IITs are not far behind or would be on par with the so called top institutions( according to you) in the world.

And the proof of all this is that even now, maximum number of IITians are working in the top institutions around the world that are on the cutting edge of technology. For eg: NASA, EUROPEAN space agency, Hardron collider at CERN etc. Apart from that Indians primarily make the bulk or take top positions in companies like Google, Microsoft, Intel etc-2.

Yes, the iitians are there in all these companies and institutions. I don't believe that any other institute in your top 100 can even claim to have achieved such a feat bearing a few like engineers from MIT.

That in itself is a proof of world class education and the kind of world class students that IIT attracts.

Ranking are just numbers that people use to satisfy there ego.
Or to show a bad institute in a good light.

If i am not wrong, but it is the IITians who gloat the most about them being No.1 in India. They are they ones who keep yapping about being the best in the country. Specially those IIT Delhi guys, such showoffs... Some of them end up in IAS Coaching centres.. i mean ...what da fraaak!!!!!!!
You said any institute doesn't become a top institute simply because it have been ranked by some organizations based on some preconceived notions etc... Thanks Captain obvious...true quality only shows when the person starts doing his job. Even getting the offer letter from NASA does not show true worth. However several organisations rank these universities and colleges based on several factors, so that a comparison can be made.
Why do we have grades and marks in exams? To act as a way to compare students. Mark sheet doesn't show "real" Quality..but what alternative do we have as of now?
And then you talk on the quality of teaching and the students as if you personally assessed each and every one of them....zzzzzz. first you criticize me for judging an institution, and then you go ahead and do the judgement yourself.

At least i have some data to give weight to my statement.. All you bring is your rabid hard-on for anything "IIT" (you know, red hot iron and all heheh)

If you are the typical IITian then i am not surprised as to why IITs dont list in the top 100 Engineering college

 

[chimera201]

I think most IITians usually end up in the management division instead of engineering. Basically they 'managed' to clear IIT.

 

[mikael_schiffer]

ISC board has a lot of practicals. :-/

Well, CBSE is designed while keeping the entire country in mind. How many schools can provide an actual science lab worth several lakhs. Even if they provide, what about the technicians and lab experts??? Even Computer Lab is a joke (my Mom will know more about computer than those computer lab teachers)

I was from ICSE/ISC school (St. Xaviers Doranda) and the practicals is a comedy circus. Its all about buttering our sir

 

[tkin]

I think most IITians usually end up in the management division instead of engineering. Basically they 'managed' to clear IIT.

Or IAS teachers, or bankers. Very few IIT graduates end up working in their own line of study and almost none of them end up leaving any mark.

 

[SaiyanGoku]

Well, CBSE is designed while keeping the entire country in minds and lowering their standard of education
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FTFY.

CBSE first changed percentage system to CGPA system for class 10th, then merged AIEEE with IIT-JEE only to split that again into JEE- Mains and JEE- Advanced with focus on only 3 subjects, PCM. And the ranking is done by taking 40% of normalised* Class 12th marks and 60% of JEE marks. Most of people sitting on the top of HRD (including Smriti Irani) either haven't even been in a lecture or are old enough that they don't know about current worldwide education scenario.


*Normalisation is again a way to f*ck up a student's ranking.

 

[krishnandu.sarkar]

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[seamon]

If i am not wrong, but it is the IITians who gloat the most about them being No.1 in India. They are they ones who keep yapping about being the best in the country. Specially those IIT Delhi guys, such showoffs... Some of them end up in IAS Coaching centres.. i mean ...what da fraaak!!!!!!!

IITians have started a never ending cycle. A student graduates from IIT(after getting a decent 3 digit rank in JEE) and then enrolls as a teacher in a coaching institute for JEE coaching. He ends up creating more of these coaching teachers.
I remember one them saying "Tum log parh ke liye banao. Main toh successful ho gya IIT se nikal ke".
I was like "Ghanta".

 

[mikael_schiffer]

FTFY.

CBSE first changed percentage system to CGPA system for class 10th, then merged AIEEE with IIT-JEE only to split that again into JEE- Mains and JEE- Advanced with focus on only 3 subjects, PCM. And the ranking is done by taking 40% of normalised* Class 12th marks and 60% of JEE marks. Most of people sitting on the top of HRD (including Smriti Irani) either haven't even been in a lecture or are old enough that they don't know about current worldwide education scenario.


*Normalisation is again a way to f*ck up a student's ranking.

No one likes lowering the standard of education... but we cannot be selfish and think for ourselves only. We have access to the internet, discussing stuffs on a web forum. That clearly puts us at the 1% creamy layer of the India student population. Higher standard Curriculum may fit us, and make us much much better. But then we dont have the teachers to deliver that "high standard" of education. We dont have the tools and equipments to deliver the high standard education.

Being a P.hD Scholar in Education (specialisation in ICT) i often go for RMSA and SSA monitoring. I see schools with computer labs and 20+ Computers (decent 4th gen Core i3 PCs) all packed in bubble wrap for months. Why? becuz no Computer teachers. This is the same issue with 90% govt. schools in India..
Our top bosses in MHRD have a wholistic idea about the problems. Of course they want to upgrade education, but, we simply cannot go beyond our limits...

Ideal solution given by most netizens is different curriculum for different demographic. Lets not go into how stupid this idea is because it will bring soooooooooo many problems only a student studying Education (like me)as a subject can understand. A centralised Curriculum is the ONLY way to go, even if it means lowering the nation's education standard.

PS. Whatever i said is in the context of secondary and primary education, since i have experience working in this field. I have very less idea about Higher and Technical Education (eg.IIM, IIT)...since , well...i have no experience. And i dont want to give my opinion on matters where i dont have actual experience.

 

[AcceleratorX]

Definitely true. IIT's have that brand name and they fulfill all the amenities required by a student.

Not really, IIT brand name is losing its sheen lately.

India, the country of "engineers"...... of poor quality. People regard IIT so highly because others are shittier.

That's not it. In India, an institute becomes good or bad based on placement only, and not based on the actual quality of education. If we were to take only the education into account I know a few private universities that can give IIT a run for its money...

The quality of students they get is incredible. IITs are just for the brand name.

Both statements here are debatable. Neither are they the best students, and nor is IIT just a brand name.

The reason is that IIT is a relic of excellence of a bygone era, it still selects students as per very outdated methods and paradigms. This no longer ensures a good student quality in such institutions.

the only videos I get from Indians are people teaching in blackboard about permutations and combinations for competitive exams

And this is the type that usually gets into premier institutions. Excellence is not about by-the-book calculations.