"The Mac has won"

[mehulved]

I second the feeling that Macs are somewhat overpriced. You definitely pay a premium for the Apple logo compared to a non-Apple PC of similar specs + costliest windows OS + security software. However, what appeals me is that the whole damn thing is squeezed in behind the LCD!

And you pay for after sales service too. People never take service and genuine softwares into account when buying a computer. Most of them hardly even look at the differences in hardware. For them a 2GHz celeron would be better than a 1.66GHz C2D cos simply 2GHz >1.66GHz. And it creates a myth that apple with better quality hardware, better after sales service and original software is way more costlier. All factors taken into account, you can hardly call mac more expensive than a branded PC or laptop.
The decision depends upon your use eg. softwares you need, whether you'd like easy upgradibilty of hardware, etc.

And that is why I find it surprising that people still don't see that a Mac is the only computer a person should buy.

No. I would any day prefer an assembled PC cos it gives me a much better choice of hardware components that I can put in and costs cheaper too. And I needn't worry about cost of OS.
You need to see the other side too before making the statement. The decision will vary a lot depending on personal preferences and usage pattern.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

And you pay for after sales service too. People never take service and genuine softwares into account when buying a computer. Most of them hardly even look at the differences in hardware. For them a 2GHz celeron would be better than a 1.66GHz C2D cos simply 2GHz >1.66GHz. And it creates a myth that apple with better quality hardware, better after sales service and original software is way more costlier. All factors taken into account, you can hardly call mac more expensive than a branded PC or laptop.
The decision depends upon your use eg. softwares you need, whether you'd like easy upgradibilty of hardware, etc.

Well you get After Sales Service with Most Branded Computers(i've used services of Dell n HP) .

Also , for the price of a Mac you can very well buy a much more powerful branded PC from any good manufacturer . So the notion that Macs are costlier is certainly true .

Also , how can you prove that Apple has better after sales aervice than any other PC Assembler(HP,Dell,anyone) , after all , all these companies have cal centres here in India only(yes even Apple , which overcharges users for 'premium' services)

Take an example here , my friend's iPod Nano recently died(battery went kaput) , he took the iPod to Authorized Apple Center here in lko , these dudes didn't even have a clue that you can get the iPod battery changed( for a price , if warranty is over ) , they just kept giving vague answers n after half n hour they said said we cannot help you , you will have to visit the Delhi Service Center on your own expense n they wil tell you what to do !

It's only an allusion Apple has created that their products are better .
(i too own an iPod Nano though , n i'll agree it has an excellent build quality , but we're talking of Macs here n not iPods )

 

[gxsaurav]

arya, come out of the "Feel Good factor" ok, & face the truth that apple is like any other PC company out there.

 

[goobimama]

User Interface for me is secondary.. I used Aero and Compiz-fuzion for just 2 days.. later disabled both .. aka fun was over. Yea it runs windows and not to forget I have to either buy a new copy of windows or trash my current system and transfer the licence to the mac. and not to forget my Visual Studio licence.. I dont know if VS licence allows me move it from one system to another.

User interface is primary! And I'm not talking about eye candy-istic stuff like wobbly windows. I'm talking about interfaces that actually make working easier. Eg: When you hide a photo in iPhoto, it fades out and the other photos move right into position animated. It's not only 'cool', but it actually shows you what is actually going on. Trying this on ten randomly selected photos just shows what the power of excellent user interface is.

@zeerash: I don't know what Apple service you are talking about, but the "Authorised service centres", the ones which have to go through a half-yearly test to see that they are fit for service, are amazing. Especially the one in Goa. It's like a Genius bar out there. I recently got my DVD writer replaced because a DVD was stuck in it within 3 days.

No. I would any day prefer an assembled PC cos it gives me a much better choice of hardware components that I can put in and costs cheaper too. And I needn't worry about cost of OS.

While I agree there should be a Mac Pro, the fact of the matter is that Assembled machines just don't give me that piece of mind. The fans are loud, there's always some loose RAM or Hard drive cables, and there's a lot more cables to handle. I am so used to the iMac being silent, that whenever I'm next to a PC I feel really weird...like something is wrong in it. In the good ol' days when I liked to frequent the insides of my computer, the Mac would have tortured me. But since I've grown out of "taking care of" and grown into "using it", the all-in-one works best for me. But I do still agree, a cheaper Mac (minus) Pro would please a lot of fidgety geeks out there...

 

[aryayush]

I second the feeling that Macs are somewhat overpriced. You definitely pay a premium for the Apple logo compared to a non-Apple PC of similar specs + costliest windows OS + security software. However, what appeals me is that the whole damn thing is squeezed in behind the LCD!

This is the basic problem with such comparisons. You just add the cost of the "costliest windows OS" and then compare it to a Mac. But doesn't it count for something that even that "costliest windows OS" is puny when compared to Mac OS X and the value that the iLife '08 suite adds to it. Can you put a value to finally being free of viruses, not having to spring clean your operating system every few months, not having to re-install the damn thing again and again? These are very important intangible benefits that people simply overlook in these direct specs-to-price based comparisons.

Btw, if there is one thing that keeps me hooked to OS X, it is the software. There tons of amazing apps which one can only dream about using on Windows or wherever else.

Exactly. Ask any Mac user. A Windows user can only dream about the kind of applications we enjoy on Mac OS X. And now, with Core Animation in the fray, the best is yet to come.

Great sense of humor at a Xcellent time

The only thing I hate more than a poor sense of humour is when someone comes along and starts praising it. It's just a pet peeve.

I am not asking which one is better.. I just want to know what are the basic applications just to get my work done.. for example I use Opera for everything .. for chat, for mail (pop and imap), downloads, RSS etc etc.. so there is no need for me to use another application for the other tasks.

So, Opera is there. But once you switch to a Mac and really decide to make a conscious effort to use the system as it is supposed to be used - instead of forcing it to work more like Windows, which is what you are used to and which is unfortunately what most newbies try to do - you'll realise that the combination of NewsFire, iChat and Safari works much better than the all-in-one Opera with a crappy user interface. (Make no mistake, I love Opera on Windows but on a Mac, the Windows-like user interface just plain sucks.)

User Interface for me is secondary.. I used Aero and Compiz-fuzion for just 2 days.. later disabled both .. aka fun was over.

I used to say the exact same thing about a year and a half ago. And then I switched. You just cannot see it from the other side of the fence...

Yea it runs windows

I was not talking about that. Mac OS X can run Windows applications. Not the whole of Windows; just the applications. Sounds surprising? It is true. I use µTorrent on my Mac but I don't have Windows installed.

how can you prove that Apple has better after sales aervice than any other PC Assembler

Some things just don't need proving. It is an accepted fact that Apple has the best customer service and support system in place compared to all other technology companies. For example: They are the only company I know who have a toll free support number.

Visit this thread.

 

[RCuber]

@goobi and arya.. you said your points.. I accept those.. I cannot say more till I use a MAC and OS X .. Only thing which make me look away from mac is the pricetag..

@arya.. you are using crossover mac to run utorrent and

You are the only guy reffering Opera as crappy ( second time I guess ) !!! and this was the reason which caused me not to look into safari for windows anymore..

 

[Gigacore]

Opera $ucks?

I agree, but its wayy better than $afari. what a explorer man... IE is also better than that.. pheww

 

[aryayush]

You are the only guy reffering Opera as crappy ( second time I guess ) !!!

I'll say this a hundred times if you want me to. It's the truth.

I was the biggest proponent of Opera on Windows. Visit old browser war threads in the forum itself and you'll see which browser I recommended in every single post. I've used Opera exclusively for three years on Windows. When I used to go to Sify iWays, I used to download and install Opera first and then browse the Internet. I also use the latest beta of Opera Mini on my cellphone. In short, I am one of the biggest fans ever of Opera.

But if it sucks on the Mac, then I won't hide it from anyone. It does. I was so happy when I'd learnt that I would be able to keep using Opera even after switching to the Mac because Safari 2 just plain sucked, IMHO. I even did use it for quite a while. But it sticks out as a sore thumb amidst all the native applications on Mac OS X. The close buttons on the tabs, unlike every single other application on Mac OS X, are on the right side, the form buttons look like they're straight out of Windows, there are absolutely no animations whatsoever in the entire interface, the keyboard shortcuts are completely different from all other Mac OS X browsers... the list just goes on and on.

There are themes, yes. There are some themes which do an amazingly good job of making Opera look like Safari but that is where the point that I've been trying to make for the past several months and which goobimama stressed upon in his previous post comes in - the user interface is not just about how it looks, it is about how it works. These skins can make Opera look like a native application, but they cannot make it behave like one.

So, basically, Opera on the Mac sucks. The combination of Safari, Mail, iChat, Transmission, etc. is way better. There is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Like I said, you've got to be a Mac user to know this. You just cannot see it from the other side of the fence.

 

[Kenshin]

I want applications to program my microcontrollers directly thru the SPI interface...and electronics workbenches and stuff....apps like codevision and all and preferably free ones coz most of AVR stuff is free atleast on windows.....tats the reason most guys in my class are avoidin macs..

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

They are the only company I know who have a toll free support number.

Microsoft India's Toll Free Support Number is 1800 1111 00

 

[Gigacore]

LOL... Microsoft is so huge, how can anyone say it has no toll free number in INDIA ?
Please dont try to remain as a FROG in a WELL, come out and explore the world! Its HUGE!

OPEN UR EYES and SEE this!

*farm3.static.flickr.com/2014/1943926792_1a38eb1b16_o.jpg

Source

 

[Ankur Gupta]

Almost every company has its toll-free number..
Leave alone tech companies like HP,Dell etc...Even Home appliances companies like LG,Samsung all have their toll-free numbers which work all across India...
Also they have pretty good telephone customer support...
Also with companies like WD coming out with home pickup and delivery of faulty hard hard drives, you can't ask for more from them in terms of customer support, is it?

 

[sakumar79]

Many other companies too have toll-free service numbers - Acer, etc... The list in *teck.in/2006/09/useful-toll-free-numbers-of-india.html is worth checking out, but I give no assurances on their validity...

Arun

 

[infra_red_dude]

@arya
I was not comparing the features/advantages etc. of "costliest Windows OS" I was saying that a PC wid similar specs + OS cost is still less than Mac. I never commented on the looks, stability, security etc. Just the pricing.

Do I need to comment on stability and security!!??

 

[aryayush]

OK. I was wrong, I guess... (about the toll free number thing)

LOL... Microsoft is so huge, how can anyone say it has no toll free number in INDIA ?
Please dont try to remain as a FROG in a WELL, come out and explore the world! Its HUGE!

OPEN UR EYES and SEE this!

*farm3.static.flickr.com/2014/1943926792_1a38eb1b16_o.jpg

Source

There was no real need for that. He said they have a toll free number. That was enough.

@arya
I was not comparing the features/advantages etc. of "costliest Windows OS" I was saying that a PC wid similar specs + OS cost is still less than Mac. I never commented on the looks, stability, security etc. Just the pricing.

Do I need to comment on stability and security!!??

No, you don't.

 

[Gigacore]

^ Yeah i know, but just to clear u that the toll free number spans these many cities all over india..

 

[DigitalDude]

I guess this would be Ballmer's reply

*www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/1-18-07-ballmer.jpg

 

[Gigacore]

^ man everytime i see this pic in the internet... i laugh like a mad.. thanks for posting.. i love to see him like that..

So, basically, Opera on the Mac sucks.

My reply - Safari on Windows Sucks

 

[aryayush]

1. It doesn't.

2. Who cares anyway! Definitely not me.

 

[praka123]

waaow!sure a devil in post no #37!