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Provisional 2009 F1 calendar

Melbourne March 26-29
Kuala Lumpur April 3-5
Bahrain April 17-19
Catalunya May 8-10
Monaco May 21-24
Montreal June 5-7
Silverstone June 19-21
Magny-Cours June 26-28
Nurburgring July 10-12
Budapest July 24-26
Istanbul August 7-9
Valenica August 21-23
Monza September 4-6
Spa-Francorchamps September 11-13
Singapore September 25-27
Suzuka October 9-11
Shanghai October 16-18
Sao Paulo October 30 - November 1
Abu Dhabi November 13-15
 
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Driver controlled moveable front wings from nextseason

The 2009 Formula One season could see a lot more passing manoeuvres thanks to a unique collaboration between three of the sport’s leading teams. Backed by the FIA, top design engineers from Ferrari, McLaren and Renault worked together to help frame changes to the aerodynamic regulations that should make overtaking far less of a rarity.

Under current regulations, a driver typically needs to be as much as two seconds a lap faster than the car in front to have a realistic chance of passing. That should be cut to around a second next year thanks to a host of bodywork changes, including wider front wings that can be adjusted by the driver from the cockpit - a Formula One first.

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Wow, a surprising and interesting move by the FIA, good good, all the better, more the action, more the fun :D
 

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"Unfortunately when we race on tracks where staging a circus or something else would be better, anything can happen, because the spectacle is supplied by the Safety Car," di Montezemolo was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.

"This is humiliating for F1."

Ecclestone has told the Ferrari boss that he should have kept quiet after the problems his team had in Singapore.

"After the weekend Ferrari had, their president should have shut up and kept his head down," Ecclestone was quoted as saying by the Mail on Sunday.

"If Massa loses the world championship, he will know the team were responsible. He would have destroyed everybody in Singapore if he had kept going."

Felipe Massa lost all chances of a good result in Singapore when he was given the green light to leave the pits before the fuel hose had been removed from his car.

"If I wanted to be a smart-arse, I'd have devised a system so that the light goes green to release the driver at the same time as the coupling hose comes off the car," Ecclestone added.

"If it's a matter of turning a switch, which I am led to believe is how it works, then why not stick with the 'lollipop' man of old? Why do you want to have some other piece of technology that can go wrong? It's over the top."

the best line :
"If the Ferrari president is right about the Singapore Grand Prix being a circus," Ecclestone told The Mail on Sunday, "then we have to be grateful to him for providing the clowns.
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*www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71186 + *www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4247691,00.html
 

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This year's Canadian Grand Prix was the race in Montreal as the FIA announced the 2009 Formula One calendar on Tuesday afternoon. The Canadian Grand Prix was absent for the first time since it first hosted the race back in 1987.

The 2009 F1 season counts a total of 18 races and sees the season begin in Melbourne, Australia at the end of March and the season will come to an end November 15 in Abu Dhabi.
I will miss North America , too bad we wont see two excellent circuits any time soon. :(
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Force India, Mercedes in cooperation talks

Mercedes-Benz and McLaren are in advanced talks with Force India about an engine supply and technical cooperation deal for next year, autosport.com has learned.

Although Force India have a customer engine contract with Ferrari for 2009, it is understood that they are reevaluating their engine situation because of the raft of regulation changes that are being made for next season.

Sources have revealed that discussions have opened with Mercedes-Benz and McLaren about a deal which could eventually expand beyond just a simple customer engine relationship.

As well as possible technical cooperation on the car itself, there are also suggestions that part of the deal could also include Force India running Briton Paul di Resta, who could be groomed for a future switch to McLaren.

A McLaren spokesman confirmed to autosport.com that talks with Force India were ongoing, but insisted that nothing had been agreed.

"McLaren and Mercedes-Benz are convinced that the independent teams are of vital importance for F1 - in fact they are the bedrock on which Grand Prix racing has been built," said the spokesman.

"Therefore, should we be in a position to cooperate with an independent team and should such a cooperation make economic sense, we would be prepared to do so. Nothing has been decided yet, but we are engaged in various discussions and will inform the media of their outcome as soon as we are able to do so.

"We are also in discussions with, and seeking the guidance of, FIA president Max Mosley in connection with the matter."

Force India team principal Colin Kolles would not comment on the state of the discussions with Mercedes-Benz and McLaren. When asked in Japan about his team's engine situation for 2009, he said: "All I can say is we will have an engine next year."
*www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71239

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THE JAPANESE GRAND PRIX

Practice 1==============Fri 06:30-08:00

Practice 2==============Fri 10:30-12:00

Practice 3==============Sat 07:30-08:30

Qualifying==============Sat 10:30-11:30

The Race==============Sun 10:00-12:00
 
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Glock puts Toyota on top at Fuji
Timo Glock gave circuit owners Toyota a boost by setting a surprise fastest time in the second free practice session at Fuji.

In another totally dry session, Glock's early 1:18.383 lap remained unbeaten in the latter part of the afternoon despite the bigger names' best efforts.

Singapore winner Fernando Alonso continued Renault's fine form to take a close second, 0.043 seconds behind Glock, with McLaren's Lewis Hamilton only 0.037 seconds slower than the Spaniard in third, as the top 18 cars all lapped within a second.

The session got off to a much busier start than morning practice, with the McLarens leading the order early on before being usurped by Felipe Massa's Ferrari after 15 minutes.

Alonso then became the first to try soft tyres and looked set to go fastest, only to run wide at the final corner.

Force India had a brief moment of glory as Adrian Sutil grabbed first place for around a minute before first Toyota's Jarno Trulli then Toro Rosso's Sebastian Vettel hit the front.

But it was home team Toyota who would lead the way for the majority of the session, as Glock set a 1:18.383 on soft tyres just after the half-hour mark to beat Vettel by nearly 0.4 seconds.

As had been the case in the morning, most of the quick times were set relatively early in the session, so with few making big improvements, Glock remained unchallenged. Alonso, Hamilton and Massa all closed right in, but none of them managed to beat the Toyota's time, allowing Glock to end Friday practice as the pace-setter.

Kimi Raikkonen took fifth in the second Ferrari, while Mark Webber thrust Red Bull into contention by jumping to sixth with his final lap.

Kazuki Nakajima continued Toyota's good day by taking seventh in his Toyota-powered Williams, ahead of Vettel, Heikki Kovalainen (McLaren) and Trulli.

But while Toyota prospered, their Japanese arch-rivals Honda continued to struggle, with Rubens Barrichello only 15th and Jenson Button slowest of all.

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Hitboxx

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Just finished watching Qualifying.

1) Lewis 2) Kimi 3) Heikki 4) Fernando 5) Felipe

Felipe should have run a little light. Tough luck tomorrow but its an open race and anything can happen.

The track seems ok but I don't like this one bit, Suzuka was so much better.
 

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Felipe had Tyre Grip problems:p

anyway he said "The first corner? It's similar to the one at the Hungaroring, so I hope I can manage to repeat the good start I got there.".

lets see what happens, i'm gonna miss this race :(

Japanese GP Qualifying.

Suzuka is much better than Fuji, but Fuji is a lot better than half of the other circuits.

lotsa overtaking oppurtunities at fuji.
 

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A little far fetched for you maybe but I have done it in the past..

"Go book a cheap motel with TV and Star Sports" :p
 
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Only a Fernando can take a Renault to victory twice in succession. Nice drive Fernando.

Lewis proves yet again why he is disliked and criticized for his driving, that penalty hopefully should make him learn.
 

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Alonso takes second win in a row at Fuji
Fernando Alonso took his and Renault's second shock victory in succession in the Japanese Grand Prix, as title contenders Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton finished only eighth and 12th after a series of controversial early incidents.

Both Hamilton (McLaren) and Massa (Ferrari) were delayed by drive-through penalties - the Briton for forcing Kimi Raikkonen wide at the start, and Massa for pushing his title rival into a spin shortly afterwards.

Robert Kubica kept himself in title contention by finishing second for BMW, fending off Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.

Hamilton made a slow start and was behind Raikkonen going into Turn 1, where the McLaren dived down the inside with a tyre-smoking move that took not only Hamilton and Raikkonen wide onto the run-off, but also caused their teammates Heikki Kovalainen and Massa to go off in avoidance.

That allowed Kubica and Alonso to slip into first and second ahead of the recovering Kovalainen, while Massa, Hamilton and Raikkonen fell back into the traffic.

On the next lap Massa ran wide into the Turn 10 chicane, allowing Hamilton to slip past and into fifth place, but the Ferrari fought back across the kerbs at the second part of the corner, punting Hamilton into a spin.

Both Hamilton and Massa would later receive drive-through penalties for their respective aggressive moves, consigning the title contenders to unproductive afternoons in the midfield.

At the front, Kubica held a narrow lead over Alonso and Kovalainen through the first stint, with Raikkonen swiftly hacking through the field and back up to fourth, then closing right in on the closely-matched top three.

But at the first stops Alonso managed to leapfrog Kubica and take the lead, and was able to charge away at the front.

Kovalainen's shot at victory ended at the same time, as his McLaren suffered what the Finn believed to be an engine failure.

By the time Alonso came in for his final stop on lap 43, he had established a 13-second lead over Kubica and an 18-second advantage over Raikkonen, and although both his pursuers were running several laps longer, neither was able to get anywhere near the flying Renault.

Alonso duly pulled away again after pitting, taking another comfortable victory that demonstrated Renault's huge improvements in recent weeks.

Raikkonen picked up his pace significantly prior to his second stop and was able to rejoin just metres behind Kubica. The pair then commenced a spectacular battle for second, running wheel to wheel into the first corner several times in the closing laps.

As they battled, Nelson Piquet closed in after a superb drive from 12th in the second Renault. A good start and very long stints allowed the under-pressure Brazilian to come through the field, and as Kubica and Raikkonen lost time fighting with each other, Piquet moved into podium contention.

Ultimately Piquet dropped back when he ran wide at Turn 5 in the closing laps, while Kubica managed to edge clear of Raikkonen as the Ferrari's tyres faded.

Jarno Trulli took fifth for home team Toyota, losing out to Piquet at the last stops, but his teammate Timo Glock was an early retirement with suspension damage from the first lap incidents.

Toro Rosso got both cars into the points, with Sebastien Bourdais and Sebastian Vettel coming home sixth and seventh, ahead of the flying Massa, who at least reduced Hamilton's lead to six points.

Massa managed to salvage a point despite spinning when he banged wheels with Bourdais as the Toro Rosso rejoined following its final pitstop - an incident that will be investigated by the stewards after the race.

The Ferrari survived that tangle and produced a series of late passes to claim eighth, with Red Bull's Mark Webber his final target. The Australian had driven well on a one-stop strategy, but couldn't fend off Massa at the end.

BMW's Nick Heidfeld also used a one-stop plan to progress to 10th, ahead of Nico Rosberg (Williams) and the delayed Hamilton, who had pitted and taken on heavy fuel immediately after his tangle with Massa. This strategy failed to pay off, as although he was rapidly catching Massa in the middle of the race, he lacked the pace to make progress during his long final stint.

The sole Japanese driver in the field, Kazuki Nakajima, saw his first home race ruined at the start, when he lost his front wing on David Coulthard's Red Bull as it veered across his path after a dramatic suspension breakage. Coulthard, who suspected his suspension had been weakened in first corner wheel-banging, slammed into the barriers but was unhurt.
*www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71342


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did anyone record this race?

Bourdais given 25-second penalty, Massa at 7th place in podium
Sebastien Bourdais has received a 25-second post-race penalty for his tangle with Felipe Massa in the Japanese Grand Prix.

The stewards' decision drops Bourdais from sixth to 10th in the race results - and also affects the title battle as it elevates Massa to seventh and therefore reduces Lewis Hamilton's championship advantage to five points.

Bourdais had been rejoining after his second pitstop on lap 50 just as Massa, who had yet to stop, turned into the first corner.

The Ferrari attempted to pass the Toro Rosso around the outside, but they made contact, sending Massa spinning. He rejoined and ultimately finished eighth.

The penalty moves Bourdais' teammate Sebastian Vettel up to sixth ahead of Massa, and gives Red Bull's Mark Webber a point for eighth place.
*www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71351


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Hamilton vs Massa @ fuji + shows 1st lap of race
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0HX9x-mQqg

video show how Hamilton wet into a spin:p
 
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Alonso says he will help Massa if possible
Renault driver Fernando Alonso says he will do all he can to help Ferrari's Felipe Massa win this year's championship.

"Yes, no doubt, if I can help, I will help Massa," Alonso was quoted as saying by AS newspaper following his victory in the Japanese Grand Prix.

"They have lost a lot of points," added Alonso about Massa and title rival Lewis Hamilton. "After 16 races the leader has 84 points. In 2006 I had 82 in nine races.

"In this championship the drivers who are up there have scored few points. But in the end the one who makes the least errors will win. We'll see," concluded the Spaniard, who had a torrid season as Hamilton's teammate at McLaren in 2007.

Massa is five points behind Hamilton with just two races to go.

The two-time champion scored his second consecutive victory against all odds last Sunday, having also emerged on top at the Singapore Grand Prix two weeks ago.

Alonso admitted the Fuji win tasted better.

"It was a great race, especially because of the win, which was again unexpected," he said. "In Singapore there was luck involved with the safety car and with the favourites having problems, like Massa's pitstop and all that.

"Here there was nothing strange, it was a race with no safety cars and we won, so it tastes better than in Singapore."

The Renault driver said he was not sure about what to expect from the final two races of the season following his upturn in form.

But Alonso confessed his feeling is that he will be able to fight on top again.

"I don't know what to say now, I haven't thought about it yet, but my heart says that we will," the Spaniard said. "We have been fourth on the grid on a regular track.

"I'm confident for the next races. Maybe not enough about winning, but podiums are now possible. We are four tenths a lap behind Ferrari or McLaren."
*www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71379
 

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Alonso: Title rivals fear mistakes

Former world champion Fernando Alonso believes the fear of making mistakes is now a bigger worry for title rivals Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa than the pressure of trying to win the crown.

Alonso has good experience of title showdowns following his title successes in 2005 and 2006, and thinks the pressure on drivers changes when the end of the season gets near.

"More than the pressure is also the worry about making a mistake or that something goes wrong in the car," said Alonso.

"You think constantly during the weekend that everything has to go right and you cannot do any mistake driving, or you cannot make a mistake with the car in terms of breaking any part.

"You spend too much effort thinking that anything can go wrong and this is putting some pressure to you every time."

Alonso believes the situation is particularly worrying for the title rivals this year because of Massa's engine failure in Hungary - which highlighted how late in races things can go wrong.

"Every race will be difficult to manage and unpredictable to the last moment in Brazil when you take the flag.

"Massa was winning the race very clear in Hungary and on the last lap you have engine failure, you lose ten points, and this can happen to anyone. And it maybe happens to Lewis as well."
*www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71403

what if Kubica wins:p, he's in similar situation like Kimi was in last year.
But Kubica wont make a worthy champ, the guy who posted more wins is a worthy champ.
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Japanese Grand Prix footage - what do you think?

*www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/10/8530.html (vdo showing the opening lap & the spins:p)
 
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Fear of loosing the title

Raikkonen backs off and give massa 2nd place :mad: , 4 laps to go.
 

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Re: Fear of loosing the title

Raikkonen backs off and give massa 2nd place :mad: , 4 laps to go.

Kimi was being a team mate:p, nothing wrong in backing off.

btw the race was boring:p, Ham. was in his own class.

lets see how it goes at Brazil, i dont want either of the contenders to retire:p, or a noob with just 1 win might own these guys:))
 
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