Suggest a Basic Rig for regular office use

[dippi_taurus]

Hi, I would like to purchase a rig for basic office use.

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Office work. MS Office, Pharmsoft - used by pharmacists, Net browsing.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: Rs. 12K. Can extend to Rs. 15K max but Rs. 12k is preferable.

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows XP or Windows 7 basic.

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: Preferably 160GB or more.

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Already have a 15" CRT. But would like you to suggest a 15" Flatscreen if it can come within the budget.

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Speakers, UPS, keyboard & mouse.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Within this week.

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Assembler.

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Bangalore. I'll buy it local.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Need a good cabinet and psu as the system will mostly run for 24hrs. Again, monitor is not an option but would like it if it comes within the budget.

 

[harshilsharma63]

Intel G2010 (3500)
Asus P8H61-M LX R2.0 (3000)
Corsair value Select 2 GB (1100)
WD 320 GB HDD (2500)
Any iBall/zebronics cabinet (900)
Logitech Mk200 KB & mouse combo (700)
Corsair VS450 (2300)

total: 14000

 

[ankush28]

Cool
change psu with antec BP300 @ 1700rs that should suffice your rig easily and try to get corsair value 1333mhz 4GB yoh will get all links in my sign if you are intrested in online buying

 

[truegenius]

cpu and motherboard = GIGABYTE GA-E350N 3.5k
kingston/corsair value ram ddr3 1333mhz cl9 4GB 1.5k
any cabinet with smps 1k
any 500GB hdd 3k
any led/lcd monitor for 5k

~14k total
this whole system will consume less than 50w power and have great performance for office and net use (i will recommend ms office 2010 or higher)

 

[Cilus]

Not at all. E-350N is not at all a good choice for Office works as the CPU is really very weak. Use Microsoft Office Suite 2010 and while running Office 2010 and Outlook 2010, you will fee the slowness in your system. Pentium G2101 is the best choice here.
truegenius, try to provide solution based on OP's requirements, not by your imagination. E-350 is good for Web Browsing and playing Videos on it, nothing else.

 

[truegenius]

e350 is based on k10 core
so if i downclock my phenom 1090t to 1.6ghz and dissable 4cores then it will give me a feel of e-350 performance (imagination someone said ! )

and after running my pc in this state i found that it is great for office (i don't use outlook, i mainly use power point, word and excel) and net surfing

so my suggestion was based on practically tried and tested method

 

[dippi_taurus]

Intel G2010 (3500)
Asus P8H61-M LX R2.0 (3000)
Corsair value Select 2 GB (1100)
WD 320 GB HDD (2500)
Any iBall/zebronics cabinet (900)
Logitech Mk200 KB & mouse combo (700)
Corsair VS450 (2300)

total: 14000

Thank you for the config. Will this setup be able to handle Windows 7 Home Premium? And how much would a 15" and 17" LCD monitor cost? And do you think the Corsair VS450 is a little too much coz I won't be adding anything else. How about VS350?

e350 is based on k10 core
so if i downclock my phenom 1090t to 1.6ghz and dissable 4cores then it will give me a feel of e-350 performance (imagination someone said ! )

and after running my pc in this state i found that it is great for office (i don't use outlook, i mainly use power point, word and excel) and net surfing

so my suggestion was based on practically tried and tested method

I'm sorry, but there won't be any chance of experimenting on the setup, so downgrading it is out of the question.

 

[ankush28]

> g2010 can easily handle win7ult x64 too.
>Antec bp300 is much better then vs350

samsung, lg, aoc 15.5" ~ 4k
Dell 18.5" IN1930 ~ 5.2k
my recommendation
Dell IN2030N 20" ~ 6k

 

[dippi_taurus]

> g2010 can easily handle win7ult x64 too.
>Antec bp300 is much better then vs350

samsung, lg, aoc 15.5" ~ 4k
Dell 18.5" IN1930 ~ 5.2k
my recommendation
Dell IN2030N 20" ~ 6k

Hmmm, I will have to search extensively for Antec bp300 coz it's quite hard to find here. Still, I will look for it. Any other alternatives?

I think I'm gonna stick with the 15.5" ones coz 18.5" and 20" are quite big in terms of price and size and considering the application used, I think 15.5" is more than enough. Any chance of knowing which among the 15" that you mentioned is good in terms of brightness, color reproduction and warranty?

 

[truegenius]

I'm sorry, but there won't be any chance of experimenting on the setup, so downgrading it is out of the question.

that reply wasn't for you that was for cilius's reply in which i was explaining that e-350 and phenom 2 x6 1090t are based on same k10 core just like i7-3770k and i3-3220 are based on ivy bridge
and we can get an idea of performance difference between same arch based cpu just by equating their parameters like core count, memory channel, clock speed etc
its an easy to understand thing, you too can understand it by very less effort
but its not related to your asked question so don't bother about it

(amd phenom 2 x6 1090t costs 10K for cpu only and new cpu is out of stock from everywhere so its neither in your budget nor available)

 

[Cilus]

e350 is based on k10 core
so if i downclock my phenom 1090t to 1.6ghz and dissable 4cores then it will give me a feel of e-350 performance (imagination someone said ! )

and after running my pc in this state i found that it is great for office (i don't use outlook, i mainly use power point, word and excel) and net surfing

so my suggestion was based on practically tried and tested method

Again, lack of knowledge can be very dangerous. So don't make a joke of yourself .Even If you downclock your Phenom Ii 1090T then still it will have all its 6 Core running, right or as per your imagination the 4 cores will be vanished or stop working. Due to Turbo Boost, 1090T at balanced mode with Cool 'n Quite enabled, works at 800 MHz Clock speed, lesser than E-350's speed but still it can provide more than 6 times the performance. Now, lets come to the architecture part:-

1. E-350 does not have dual channel memory controller, it has a 1066 MHz single channel DDR3 memory controller. So memory read/Write and access speed is very very low compared to any desktop class processors, even the single core Pentium 4.
2. It does not have any L3 Cache which is present in even Pentium Celeron series.
3. It's size for TLB or Translation Look Ahead Buffer which is half of any Athlon II/Phenom II series. Google TLB to find what it is.
4. It is based on Bobcat architecture, not K10. Get your facts correct. Llano is the APU based on K10, not Bobcat based processors like Brazos and Hondo.
Wikipedia is a great help for you: AMD Accelerated Processing Unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope this time you will understand

 

[Chaitanya]

Hmmm, I will have to search extensively for Antec bp300 coz it's quite hard to find here?

You didn't search extensively so I bring it for ya.. (don't take it otherwise just trolling)

Antec Basiq BP350 350W Power Supply

 

[harshilsharma63]

@Op; make sure you install the 64 bit OS if you are going for 4GB or more ram.

 

[Chaitanya]

Yeah + I recommend win8 cause its a bit lighter than win7

 

[dippi_taurus]

You didn't search extensively so I bring it for ya.. (don't take it otherwise just trolling)

Antec Basiq BP350 350W Power Supply

Hahahahaha

@Op; make sure you install the 64 bit OS if you are going for 4GB or more ram.

Hmmmm, is it really necessary to go for 4GB RAM? I thought since it was just regular office work 2GB was sufficient.

Yeah + I recommend win8 cause its a bit lighter than win7

Hmmm, I'm sorry but the person who uses is not so familiar with windows 7 itself and I don't suppose he'd get to know windows 8 right off the bat after xp. I'll stick with win7 for now. Thanks again.

 

[truegenius]

Again, lack of knowledge can be very dangerous. So don't make a joke of yourself .Even If you downclock your Phenom Ii 1090T then still it will have all its 6 Core running, right or as per your imagination the 4 cores will be vanished or stop working. Due to Turbo Boost, 1090T at balanced mode with Cool 'n Quite enabled, works at 800 MHz Clock speed, lesser than E-350's speed but still it can provide more than 6 times the performance

CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 2 Cores - 2 Threads (imagination someone said)
CPU PSN : AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
Freq : 1607.19 MHz (200.9 * 8)
RAM : 4096 MB DDR3 Single Channel
RAM Speed : 669.7 MHz (3:10) @ 9-9-9-24

CPU-Z Validator 3.1

core count, memory speed, memory channel, cpu clock speed are controllable parameters in many systems
if you don't know how to do it that doesn't mean others too can't

 

[harshilsharma63]

Hahahahaha


Hmmmm, is it really necessary to go for 4GB RAM? I thought since it was just regular office work 2GB was sufficient.


Hmmm, I'm sorry but the person who uses is not so familiar with windows 7 itself and I don't suppose he'd get to know windows 8 right off the bat after xp. I'll stick with win7 for now. Thanks again.

2 Gb is sufficient for basic job, but in case you go with 4 GB ram, you should install 64 bit os, else 32 bit should be used. Dont install 64 bit os in <4Gb RAM.

 

[Cilus]

CPU-Z Validator 3.1

core count, memory speed, memory channel, cpu clock speed are controllable parameters in many systems
if you don't know how to do it that doesn't mean others too can't

Don't get diverted from the topic. I know that each of the cores can be disabled or enabled but even a Phenom II 1090T running only two cores enabled will perform far faster than a E-350. Here is the debate about performance, not how one can disable CPU cores which you didn't even mention earlier. Stop posting BS. And do care to read about the architecture part I have posted. 2 core or or 4 core, a Phenom II 1090T will always perform far better than a Bobcat based Ultra low voltage processors like E-350. Go to noteboockcheck.net and see the performance of E-350 against some comparable processors and you will find that it even performs slower than Processors like very old Athlon II Neo X2 Processors running at lower speed but based on K10 Microarchitecture. A Athlon II X2 Neo K345 running at 1.4 GHz Speed, opposed to E-350's 1.6 GHz speed and also lacing the L3 Cache is 11% faster than it.
So stop misguiding OP by posting your misleading information. Op asked for CPU for basic task, not how to disable cores of a Processor. So suggest accordingly.

Also. if performing a Google Search is a tough job for you, please check here: *www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-E-350-Notebook-Processor.40941.0.html

 

[truegenius]

that core dissabling reply wasn't for op, op already decided to go with g2010 so other replies were only to clear that imagination thingy
yes my calculations went off because i thought that e350's bobcat is derived from k10 (which it isn't)
so to get performance of e350 i will need 1.2ghz on 2 cores (4 dissable) of 1090t

e350 is more like a module of bullcrap clocked at 1.6ghz (coz bullcrap looses performance when full module is used i.e it does not perform 2x of 1 core instead it performs like 1.6x), e350 isn't that bad , it is compareable to 2-3ghz p4 (used in cafe) as it performs good against 3.6ghz p4 (in anandtech)

 

[Cilus]

^^ You have to disable the 6 MB L3 cache too to bring 1090T to E-350's level

The thing is currently most of the browsers like Chrome, Firefox, IE 10 and and upcoming 11, Safari Next...all are getting optimized for multi-core CPU and provide good degree of mmultithreading optimization. Firefox and Chrome also even use GPU acceleration and IE 11 is going to use Direct Compute based optimization for offloading its tasks to GPU. So when you open multiple tabs and browsing for long, an E-350 can't keep up. I use Microsoft Office Suite 2010 in my office with a Athlon II X2 3 GHz processor and I know how slow they are actually.