Sandy/Ivy Generation system Or AMD for a value for money pc

[beelzebub360]

Sandy/Ivy Generation system Or AMD for a value for money pc


Hey guys, my cousin wants to upgrade his PC (everything)

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Using Server OS & VM WARE / Hardcore Testing Heavy OSes & BRowsing(100+tabs on ie10/Chrome)

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: Lowsest possible

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Win Server/Other SERVER OSes /windows 8(with all eye candy) / Dual monitor setup(budget Full HD)

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 250gb+

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Buget Full HD

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: N/A.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: AUG

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Will be assembled by myself

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Kolkata, will be buying Locally.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Is AMD(2/4/8 cores) will suit my cousins purpose better or an i3 or i5 or a Basic Dual core?



Processor- Intel dual-core g620- 3.2k
Motherboard- Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H-3.3K
Ram- Corsair Value select 8GB 1333Mhz-2.5K
PSU- Corsair CX430 V2-2.5k
GPU- MSI R6670 1GB DDR5-5.2K(only if necessary)
Monitor??

Total- 16.8K with vat.


AMD Athlon-II X4-640 - 4.3k
Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P -2.6k
Ram- Corsair Value select 8GB 1333Mhz-2.5K
PSU- Corsair CX430 V2-2.5k


Acer 21.5" -S221HQL LED : HDMi 1920 X 1080 - 5 ms 7400
or
LG 22" - E2260V LED : HDMi + DVI 1920 X 1080 - 2 ms 9200
or
BENQ G2222HDL has D-sub / DVI-D
or
Dell ST2220L has HDMI(LCD monitor - 21.5") 5 star

which is better? In a multi monitor enviroment



your advise is welcome(regarding what will be best)
BTW usb3 & dual vga ports(for dual monitor setup)
and Supports Supports AMD Quad-GPU CrossFireX™ Technology is welcome

P.S- is a GPU required(for MULTI-monitor setup)? & would like to upgrade to 16gb ram in the following month

 

[skeletor]

For VMWare, the more the cores, the better it is. So stick with quad core AMD in your budget.

GPU is not require if you don't want to play games.

I'd say:

Phenom II X4 960T (6K) + Gigabyte 880GM-USB3 (4.4K).

X4 960T might unlock into 6 cores if lucky.

 

[beelzebub360]

For VMWare, the more the cores, the better it is. So stick with quad core AMD in your budget.

GPU is not require if you don't want to play games.

I'd say:

Phenom II X4 960T (6K) + Gigabyte 880GM-USB3 (4.4K).

X4 960T might unlock into 6 cores if lucky.

Thanks for the reply

What about the new Quad APUs?

Also X4 960T has a core unlock feature?
Plus is asus/asrock better or gigabyte?

 

[skeletor]

Thanks for the reply

What about the new Quad APUs?

Also X4 960T has a core unlock feature?
Plus is asus/asrock better or gigabyte?

New "Trinity" Quad Core APUs with FM2 haven't arrived. (A8-5700K and A10-5800K). Old "Llano" APUs (A6-3670K and A8-3870K) have FM1 socket which is pretty much dead. So, stick with Phenom II.

Asus and Gigabyte are fine. Asrock is also fine but Asrock doens't have AMD motherboards in India.

Just make sure that you don't buy a very cheap motherboard with Phenom II X4 960T since you'll attempt unlocking. The one I mentioned is good for the price and performance. Over it, you have Asus M5A97 @ 6K. But remember, unlocking depends on luck - but still worth a shot.

 

[beelzebub360]

How is this combo?

AMD FX Quad FX - 4100 3.6 GHz, 12M, AM3+ 6750
+
Asus AMD880G M5A88-M 16x,V (1GB),S,L, H, U3 5400
or
ASUS AMD970 M5A97 16x,S, L, U3 6550

else


AMD - A6 A6 - 3500 2.4 GHz, 3M, FM1 4100
+ASUS F1A55-M LE 16x,V (2GB),S,L, H, U3 3775
or
ASUS F1A75-M-LE 16x,V (2GB),S,L, H, U3 5900

 

[skeletor]

FX-4100 is much slower than Phenom II X4 960T. And funny thing is, Phenom II X4 960T is cheaper.

A6-3500 has 3 cores. It is not quad core. A6-3650 (quad core) is a good choice if you want graphics as well.

 

[beelzebub360]

New "Trinity" Quad Core APUs with FM2 haven't arrived. (A8-5700K and A10-5800K). Old "Llano" APUs (A6-3670K and A8-3870K) have FM1 socket which is pretty much dead. So, stick with Phenom II.

Asus and Gigabyte are fine. Asrock is also fine but Asrock doens't have AMD motherboards in India.

Just make sure that you don't buy a very cheap motherboard with Phenom II X4 960T since you'll attempt unlocking. The one I mentioned is good for the price and performance. Over it, you have Asus M5A97 @ 6K. But remember, unlocking depends on luck - but still worth a shot.

Phenom II suffers the same as Old "Llano" APUs since AMD stopped the production

So what would you suggest Phenom II or Bulldozer?
(value for money)

 

[skeletor]

So what would you suggest Phenom II or Bulldozer?
(value for money)

My previous post. Phenom II.

 

[beelzebub360]

A6-3500 has 3 cores. It is not quad core. A6-3650 (quad core) is a good choice if you want graphics as well.

Well multi monitor setup is required too(vga+vga or vga+??)
should i buy a entry level GPU for that & go for Phenom II
+ AMD970 ASUS-M5A97 16x,S, L, U3 6550(better than 880 right?)

But has No Vga output

ASUS - Motherboards- ASUS M5A97 EVO

would be going to find out the prices today

 

[skeletor]

^ buy an entry level card + Phenom II.

In Llano's case, multi-monitor will depend on the motherboard.

Just pointing out, some HD 6450 can be weird. In HD 6450 - IF IT has VGA + HDMI + DVI-D....to use two monitors one has to be HDMI. You can only use either of VGA or DVI-D at once.

If it has DVI-I, then it should be okay. Any two at once.

 

[beelzebub360]

^ buy an entry level card + Phenom II.

to use two monitors one has to be HDMI. You can only use either of VGA or DVI-D at once.

If it has DVI-I, then it should be okay. Any two at once.

DVI-I or D not sure
will have to buy a Full HD monitor too(value for money)
See the post for The monitor choices & see if you can suggest any


BENQ G2222HDL has D-sub / DVI-D

Dell ST2220L has HDMI(LCD monitor - 21.5") 5 star
but both have high prices

So which GPU?
Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 4250 GPU
Multi-VGA output support : HDMI/DVI/RGB ports is available on some MB
can they do Multi monitor setup?

or should i go for

AMD Athlon X4 640 + 880/890/970 mb and Radeon 6870


the "AMD FX 4100" and the "Phenom II x4 965". The FX 4100 is about 20 bucks cheaper than the Phenom, which struck me as odd because the FX 4100 runs at 3.6 Ghz with quad core, while the Phenom has 3.4 Ghz with quad core. So, is there any real drawback to the FX 4100.
but
The FX 4100 is not a true Quad core because in reality it only has 2 physical cores but as counted as 4 modules. The 4 modules share resources and unlike the true 4 physical cores of the Phenom II X4 965. Single thread performance of the FX 4100 is very weak, weaker even than the Phenom II X4 and its multithread performance is equal to the Phenom II X4 (despite the fact that it is a 2 cores 4 modules processors).



Or i can get
AMD - Value for money

1 x AMD FX-6 6100 Black Edition 6 Core 3.3Ghz Socket AM3+ 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
AMD FX - 4100 3.6 GHz, 12M, AM3+ 6750
Phenom II x4 965

1 x Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 Socket AM3+ 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
1 x Crucial 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Sport Memory Kit CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.5V

Intel -Price is higher
1 x Intel Core i5 2400 3.1GHz Socket LGA 1155 6MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
1 x Asus P8Z68-V LX Socket 1155 Onboard graphics output 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard 281367
1 x Crucial 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Sport Memory Kit CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.5V

At present despite I'm leaning towards the AMD build because it's significantly cheaper, at the £70 - £80 price point AM3+ motherboards seem better and It's still a big step up from what I've got. I suppose i could go for a Core i3 instead of an i5, but like I said in the title I'm confused.

 

[Minion]

Don't be confused go with phenom x4 960T as suggested by ico or you may opt for A8 3870K APU performance wise it perform similar to i3 2100 but have a very good IGP that will take care of all eye candy in windows 8.

 

[beelzebub360]

Don't be confused go with phenom x4 960T as suggested by ico or you may opt for A8 3870K APU performance wise it perform similar to i3 2100 but have a very good IGP that will take care of all eye candy in windows 8.

But it's not genuine quad core right?

Should i consider AthlonII too?

Dual Monitor output?

 

[The Sorcerer]

I am saying the same stuff that ICO posted here and what I posted in tech2. Eventually you're going to get the same advice. All the more strange that you deleted the first post over there. When someone gives a quote and system config, the least one can do is do some self research. At the end of the day help is given by peers. The least you can do is ask all the questions at once.


Which screen are you even planning to buy? Have you made a choice on that???

 

[beelzebub360]

I am saying the same stuff that ICO posted here and what I posted in tech2. Eventually you're going to get the same advice. All the more strange that you deleted the first post over there. When someone gives a quote and system config, the least one can do is do some self research. At the end of the day help is given by peers. The least you can do is ask all the questions at once.


Which screen are you even planning to buy? Have you made a choice on that???

As i said before it was by mistake that happened.

Did some research new stock of P-II are not coming in
but some shops have it

Full hd(DVI/HDMI)

Acer 21.5" -S221HQL LED : HDMi 1920 X 1080 - 5 ms 7400
or
LG 22" - E2260V LED : HDMi + DVI 1920 X 1080 - 2 ms 9200
or
BENQ G2222HDL has D-sub / DVI-D
or
Dell ST2220L has HDMI(LCD monitor - 21.5") 5 star

Acer looks the most affordable

 

[Minion]

But it's not genuine quad core right?

Should i consider AthlonII too?

Dual Monitor output?

A8 3870K is a tru Quad core.

Don't consider athlon II they are some what old now.

Regarding Dual monitor output A8 3870k will support Dual Monitor
See this link
NitroWare.net :: Mainstream Computing Showdown - AMD A6 APU v Intel 2nd Gen Core i3 CPU - AMD 2011 Mainstream Platform | A6-3650 APU and Gigabyte A75 Motherboard