New Rig Query

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Hi Everyone,

I am planning to buy a new pc/laptop for design /game dev/ and some aaa gaming when i feel like.
I was contempelating this https://www.amazon.in/FX705DT-Graphics-7-3750H-Windows-FX705DT-AU096T/dp/B07RRQB83M
but this has 45% ntsc color support and that would not give me accurate colors on screen when making print designs.
And in Np its around 82k but on amazon if I put it on EMI it will shoot up so I need a desktop config as well to make a final decision.

I have a c2d e7500 old desktop with a corsair vx 550 smps if you think It can run 1600 series gpu or 2060 maybe I can just change the core components right now.

Haven't decided a budget yet but keep it as low as possible to meet my requirements.

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
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Will be learning game and app development so android studio and game engines like unity, unreal, lumberyard , game maker studio and godot.
I will also use adobe CC suite, Affinity designer , autodesk sketchbook, Zbrush, blender 2.8, Quixel mixer.
vector design/3d animation and rendering/game dev will be core tasks on the system.
might also learn sound design and make music for use in game dev projects.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: I am looking for the least I would need to build required rig. if an amount is really necessary lets say 50k

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows 10

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 2TB + SSD

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Yes, need a new monitor. Currently I have a vintron 14 inch CRT so that wouldn't serve the purpose
of the new rig.

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: I have a corsair vx 550 smps if that can be of any use, otherwise I will need a new one.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: ASAP

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: I will get it assembled.


10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: yeah i can go to Nehru Place or order online if that gives a good deal.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Read something about ryzen 3000 series performance issues so not sure whether to jump on the band wagon yet or should go for previous gen ryzen.
Intel I believe wont be possible and i'll only get a crappy compromise in my budget so lets stick with ryzen.
 
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Since you were willing to spend upto 80k, better to get something like this at least instead of a 50k rig which will be pretty weak.

CPU - AMD R5 2600 - 14.5k
Mobo - Gigabyte B450M DS3H - 6.5k
RAM - 2x8GB DDR4 3000MHz - 8k
GPU - RX 580 - 16k
SSD - WD Green/Adata SU650 120GB 2.5″ - 1.6k
HDD - WD/Seagate 2TB - 4.5k
PSU - Corsair CX550 - 4.5k
Cabinet - Cooler Master/Antec/corsair mid tower ATX - 4k
Monitor - LG 22MP68VQ 22" 1080p 60Hz Freesync - 8.5k
Total - 68.1k

Check primeabgb, mdcomputers, theitdepot (online stores) for PC parts at a good price. On sales, even Amazon would have great prices. Nehru place might offer even lower or similar prices, do visit them though. If possible get a Zotac GTX 1660 for 19k as an upgrade to GPU or go all the way to 1660Ti for 24k.

Sadly R5 3600 builds are bit out of reach. R5 3600 costs 20k & a good B450 motherboard like MSI B450 Tomahawk costs 10k, not to forget getting the latest BIOS installed on motherboard from the shop you are buying.
 

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Mobo - Gigabyte B450M DS3H - 6.5k
RAM - 2x8GB DDR4 3000MHz - 8k
SSD - WD Green/Adata SU650 120GB 2.5″ - 1.6k
Gigabyte mobo is lowest tier,better go for MSI Mortar at 9.3k or even better MSI Tomahawk for 10k(both available at costtocost/nehru place).
8gb 3200MHz Ripjaws V is available on primeabgb for 3.4k Buy Online G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1x8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 Memory F4-3200C16S-8GVKB - in India
WD Green & SU650 are slower than Kingston A400 120gb available at same price on onlyssd.com https://www.onlyssd.com/buy/kingston-a400-120gb-ssd/

@aby geek Check costtocost pricelist here: http://www.costtocost.in/list/pricelist.pdf Overall prices in nehru place should be around this only.Check prices on mdcomputers/vedantcomputers/primeabgb/theitdepot before making the trip to Nehru place.Also you will have to get CX550 online only as availability of good budget psu in nehru place is zero,they either sell cheap inferior models or high end costly models.
 
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Thank you Anupam and whitestar,

yeah 80k was the bare minimum for the laptop but its color accuracy became a deal breaker.
I did consider all 9th gen intel laptops that were coming with 16 gb ram as they have either 16 series or 2060 for gpu.
I was also cosidering asus hero and scar 3 but I am not sure if with the launch of ryzen 3000 that kind of investment
makes sense.

You were able to wrap that below 70k that's awesome but if i add in the remaining 12k should I go for 2700 or the 2700 x ? will i need to change the mobo to x470 chipset as well?

And yeah r5 2600 shows 11790 in cost2cost pricelist and 2600 x is 14.1k. did you mean the x version?

I am thinking ill build all feasible ryzen 3000 series configs and then try cutting costs if its too much.how much difference is between 3700x and 3800x in rendering performance?

Will my Corsair VX550 work in this build can it take 1660 ti and above? coz I am not really keeen on cx series.

Regards,
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MSI B450 Mortal/tomahawk are good enough for 2700/2700x.Instead of deciding between 2700/2700x better spend extra on mobo/card/psu(may be keep it for later purchase). VX550 was a very good psu but it is quite old now.How long it has been since you bought it?

Main issue currently with Ryzen 3xxx series is that current B450/X470 mobos are having issues because of smaller bios chip.MSI has just released "MAX" version of tomahawk & mortar with larger bios chip & out of box Ryzen 3xxx compatibility but it will take few weeks for them to get to India. Other than that,only option is buying a good X570 mobo but those are costly(asus tuf gaming x570 is 17k probably the best/cheapest x570 mobo currently).
 
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@whitestar_999 the vx 550 is a 2011 purchase but it has never run a graphic card ( my 8800gts got fried since then i let the desktop run on g41 igp).

yeah iam keeping an eye out for all below 20k x570 boards. what do you think about 2ok ish wifi boards are they wrth 5k premium?

I put together a config based on 3700x please check for imbalances though lot of components are placeholder as many of them are out of stock online or were not listed in c2c pricelist.
3800x will be 4k more how much performance jump will i get if i choose that?

also i cant find normal 2060 rtx anywhere only supers are there which are exorbitant i think will have to settle for 1660 / ti only.

CPU - AMD R7 3700x - 23.5k
Mobo - asus prime x 570 p-14k
RAM - 2x16GB DDR4 3000MHz tridentz- 19k
GPU - zotac 1660 ti 6 gb - 23k
SSD - crucial mx500 - 3.2k
HDD - WD/Seagate 2TB - 4.5k
PSU - Corsair hx850 - 10k
Cabinet - Cooler Master/mb 500 - 7k
Monitor - LG 25um58 ultra wide - 12.5k
Total - Rs 116,700
 

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There is another hiccup now, my table can only accomodate cases 16 inches in height or less.
If I go for compact systems will all my components fit in and work as expected?
I found this Antec Product
This too is going to leave just enough room to put my fingers between the shelf roof and the case top.
In this one I am concerned coz the buttons are on top.

Will I have to go for squarish designs will they fit in x570 mobo and ryzen cooler?
I found Thermalteke lvl20 vt but that thing is 9kg and again not sure if it will be right for ryzen build.
 

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Don't even think about putting a Ryzen 3xxx processor in a not so well ventilated cabinet in a cramped space in NCR region.Get coolermaster MB511 & place it on the floor or on the top of the table.
 

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^^Imagine yourself sitting in car with all glass windows closed & no ac in afternoon in Delhi in June,that is this cabinet.

Imagine yourself in a heavily crowded metro with people all around squeezing you & there is no ac but just fans,that is what any cabinet with such processors will be in any enclosed space(aka your pc shelf). It is only fine if your pc shelf has an open back & front with at least 1 feet space between shelf side walls & cabinet sides & similarly between shelf top side & cabinet top.
 
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Hmm changing the furniture aint a possibility waiting for that would delay purchase indefinitely.

What do you think about this
MasterBox Q500L | Cooler Master

And this
X1-G3 SE (Ryzen)

If even these are inappropriate for ryzen 3000 then I will have to look for whatever compact pcs and laptops offer great value and performance currently.

Lenovo legion t730 tower is also coming within the height restriction but that would shoot up over 1.5 L. Does it make sense to get that at the asking price considering
Laptops in that range are pretty decent.

If you think assembling an i7 pc is possible in compact form factor then please suggest an intel config for time being I'll make beefier system with ryzen or TR when I have more space.

Thanks again,
Aby
 

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Cooler Master MasterBox Q500L review
However, it still feels like you're sacrificing quite a bit just to shave a couple of centimeters off the dimensions.

given the single included fan and very poor thermal and acoustic results, we can’t stamp any of our awards on this case. It was really close to making the “Great Value” mark, but the Q300L is significantly cheaper (although it’s an mATX chassis) and would deserve it more.
Never buy a pre-built desktop unless it is a bulk purchase for a company/office.

You are not getting my point. When it comes to PC, "performance=heat" & "less surrounding space=more heat". Laptops with similar components will heat even more so forget about them. Just buy Ryzen 2600 with MSI tomahawk or ryzen 3600 with asus tuf gaming x570 & make sure to run AC at 18C all the time when using desktop in the room.
 

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Crap PSU, no mention of exact GPU vendor (hopefully not a founders or mini edition), no detail about the ssd, using non-super RTX 2070.

Don't waste money on this or any other pre built desktop.

Edit: They are using a 30k processor on an older 10k mobo which has only 2 ram slots. WTF!
 
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So r5 3600 and second gen ryzen will not face heating issues in compact chassis ?
And which cabinet should I go for ? All cases marked for atx are above my 16 inch height limit.

Except for the q500l and cm haf xb

In haf xb the width is 17.5 inches so again it wont come in the same shelf with the monitor and that brings me back to square one.
 

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They will face heating issue but less than R5 3700x & R5 2600 should produce less heat than 3600. I am just assuming a room with AC always running at 18C should be enough to let you run pc without thermal throttling(of course no guarantees). Have you checked Q300L dimensions?
 
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Q300l is not standard atx compatible Q500l is.
I dont mind an intel config if the 9th gen would run cooler then ryzens in compact setup.
What about micro atx and mini itx mobos for ryzen 2000 are they any good?
Arent there more horizontal cases like cm haf xb evo in India I could choose from?
 

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Maybe use a 120mm water cooling setup, if possible, on the compact case or a good air cooler like be quiet Dark Rock 4 (again not sure if it will fit a compact case) or CM Hyper 212 will do. Since you aren't moving your desktop, just get a mid-tower cabinet.

Many options aren't available in India as PC market is small, not many people build desktops unlike US & EU even though the population is higher, not to forget high costs (higher compared to other countries).
 

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Almost there is no X470/570 mATX or ITX board available in India (Wow!!! @whitestar_999 found one :thumbs:). So you have to settle for ATX board which no mini tower or compact cabinet can accommodate. At least you have to go for Mid tower, but I guess all Mid tower and bigger won't fit in the space you have. So if you can't leave the cabinet on the floor or do some make shift arrangement to fit a bigger cabinet in the table/shelf, you have to settle for either high priced Gigabyte X570 ITX board or B450 mATX.

All board makers have now stable BIOS for B450/X470. I wouldn't worry too much about BIOS issues now. For someone who isn't going to OC, I really think should go for Asus or Gigabyte for better implementation of BIOS especially PBO despite having okaish VRM design but good enough to handle Ryzen CPUs at stock.

B450M and R5 3600 and other components would bring your bottom number to ~80k. Just make sure all the things you buy will fit in the cabinet you get (CPU cooler, PSU, GPU)
 
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