HP G002AX / G009AX Laptop [Honest review, Benchmarks] [AMD Beema A8 6140, 4GB, 1TB, 2GB 8570m]

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HP G002AX / G009AX Laptop [Honest review, Bench, Gaming] [AMD Beema A8 6140, 4GB, 1TB, 2GB 8570m]

HP G002AX / G009AX Laptop [Honest review, Benchmarks] [AMD Beema A8 6140, 4GB, 1TB, 2GB 8570m]

This Ganesh Festival, I was looking forward to a new Cheap laptop as I gave away my existing laptop (Acer 5560 AMD A6-3400M llano) to my sister. I was longing for a Full fledged AMD kaveri with dual graphics setup , however AMD is getting a bit long in the tooth due to repeated delays. Anyways the new tech comes late in India compared to the west. Understanding that I wont get AMD kaveri for atleast 6 months or more, I pounced upon a cheap little stop-gap laptop that gets the work done.

HP G002AX / G009AX are same but 009AX misses out the Windows 8.1.









Design and Looks-

HP is making some of the worst designs I've ever seen recently and this laptop is no exception.

>The power and HDD LEDs are off to side rather than upfront.

>There is no Basic LED indicator for Num Lock!!

>NO VGA PORT! This is unacceptable :(
After saving a few bucks on laptop I have to spend Rs.1100 on Adapters and cables. (HDMI converter)

>Whole laptop is made like single piece and Upgrading the HDD , RAM or even CMOS battery needs one to Rip out the Keyboard, Back cover, Top cover, then Motherboard and what not!! Yuk!

>Gloss Gloss Gloss! As if HP found a cheap stash of Gloss paint and they were simply spraying it everywhere they can. Gloss around the Touch pad means Fingerprints and Scratches galore!

>Only one Combo Headphone/Mic port. So those using old fashioned headsets will need to buy new ones.

Really HP?Why did you do this?



Now for some good things,
Laptop is slimmer than you'd expect. The Sparkling Black finish looks good (when its clean), Somewhat like a Granite top.
The Caps lock key has a small indicator built onto the key itself. My Samsung and Acer both missed these. There is a WIFI LED built onto the key as well. There is again a Yellow LED for Mute. A small LED near charging port is also present (yellow when charging, White when charged). Oh how I love these tiny lights!

There are a row of function keys with the Fn key combo and also include Media player controls and volume. These keys work directly without pressing FN by default. There is a Card reader upfront.
The touchpad is extra large and supports gestures which actually work.

Display-
Oh How bored I am with these 1336x768 screens! Even my Rs.16k cellphone now has FULL HD display with IPS quality. The Display is glossy and generic quality.
However keeping in Mind the low price and Low end graphics chips, Half HD display should be OK OK. There’s a 720p webcam (with indicator LED) and Mic above the display for those Skype calls.

Performance-
Performance is Snappy and boot-up is fast. Running multiple applications alongside poses no problems at all. I am running a dual screen configuration and I can surf and play on both screens no problem.

The RAM is only 3GB in reality which maybe limiting in the future. Worst part its, RAM is non-Upgradeable so you're stuck for a lifetime. There is only one RAM slot. However the GPU 8570M has its dedicated 2GB RAM so its atleast not eating away the Main RAM. However the Inbuilt Radeon R5 seems to be eating about 1GB of main ram. AMD is known to Heavily prefer Graphic rather than x86 performance, This psychology is shown in 3GB main RAM, 3GB Graphics RAM!!

The AMD A8 6410 Beema CPU performs closely to the A10 7300 ULV Which is a kaveri 19W part. Cheers! Compare here-
AMD A-Series A8-6410 Notebook Processor - NotebookCheck.net Tech
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Kaveri-A10-7300-Notebook-Processor.117333.0.html

Comparision with an intel i5 15w part yields strange results-
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-4200U-Notebook-Processor.93563.0.html

The Intel i5 is better in Geekbench and Cienebench. However intel badly looses on all 3d mark scores (like 4~5 times poor) And about 10 times poor in X264 marks.

The AMD Beema A8 6410 also manages to beat an Intel i5 35W CPU is most benchmarks-
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-2415M-Notebook-Processor.49627.0.html

















Gaming-
The ATI 8570M is a well known Mid-range performer. It plays older games at full quality and new games at medium or High. The 8570m is based on modern 28nm GCN architecture just like R7 series.

The GPU comes with it own 2GB DDR3 memory clocked at 900Mhz and core clocked at 644Mhz (wrongy mentioned as 850MHZ GPU/1000Mhz MEM on internet) It comes with 256 Shaders (wrongly said 384 shaders on net) As the AMD shader cores are weaker than Nvidia, I would call them more like 90~120 Nvidia shaders. That Puts the performance more in Range of GT630( Desktop) or even 9800M GT (laptop)
In modern terms, the GPU is equal to R7 M260- (laptop DDR3 model)
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/inde...495&compare=radeon-r7-m260-vs-radeon-hd-8570m

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9800M-GT.9906.0.html

Most of the Modern games can be enjoyed at highest settings on 720p resolution-
Crysis 2
COD 4, COD MW2, COD MW3, COD black ops
Split second
battlefield bad company 2
Battlefield 3
Left 4 dead 1 & 2
Sniper ghost warrior
NEED for speed (All series)


Still decent for the Price and power consumption. One Strange thing, The inbuilt R5 GPU is also about 80% as good as dedicated 8570m (See Aquamark3 for detailed observation). This can be a good or bad thing depending on the way you look at it.

Unfortunately, the GPU cannot enable Dual graphics with the Stock BEEMA R5 128 Shaders as the GPU is a few generations older. Had the HP put in a compatible R5 Model, we could benefit increased framerate. That's like HP has a Old stock of outdated GPUs and they just want to get rid of them. But I'm not cringing due to low prices.













Accessories-
There are no accessories supplied. Not even a Driver CD. Everything needs to be downloaded (over 1.5 GB) from the HP website (3G rates have just increased) and even then there can be issues. I remember when buying a new laptop 5 years ago means a box or two, full of accessories and over a dozen CDs! Look how the companies are cutting corners. A CD costs what today? 10 rupees?

Ports & Ergonomics-
The laptop comes with the usual bandwagon of HDMI, and USB ports. There are No E-Sata or Express card slots. NO VGA PORT. There are only 3 usb ports out of which only ONE has USB 3.0 Speeds. I would have expected all ports to be 3.0 Speeds for such a large notebook. The USB 3.0 Copy speeds are 65~70 MB/s

For the good things, We have full size keypad with numeric inputs (these are the norm anyways), But arrow keys are too small.

Speakers actually had me stunned. These are among the best speakers in laptop. Total Thumbs up!

HEAT-
Thanks to the Low power 15W AMD BEEMA CPU, During surfing, the laptop stays cool at about 31~45.C. However gaming is totally another story.
After half Hour of COD MW3, I saw temperatures of 76.C on Pirifom Speccy. There is a single fan at the bottom for cooling. I will Strictly suggest going for a Laptop Stand (with fans) when gaming.

Battery-
The laptop comes with only 4 cell battery which is a tad small for large laptop. Usual 6 cell would have done better. However due to low Consumption AMD BEEMA 15w CPU, it still gets about 3 hours. Another cost cutting by HP. One great thing is AMD power play, that allows you to set your CPU max speed anywhere from 1 Ghz to 2 Ghz on battery mode. It really works and saves battery.

However gaming is only 1 Hr on Battery.

Software-
I simply hate Windows 8. Its a disaster. This time Microsoft screwed even more than they did with Vista. Thankfully with some Free tools I am able to attain start menu and classic shell. I may try to get back to windows 7, however the internet is full of driver complaints and various horrors. I think Microsoft paid HP to NOT support windows 7 at all.

Windows 8 misses on the beautiful glass AERO effects that vista introduced. So I will say that windows 8 looks more like “classic mode, No transparency” theme of windows 7. Also windows 8 has done away with neat desktop gadgets. I will have to bring them back somehow. Doing all of this (Transparency,Gadgets, Classic shell) needs third party apps that sap performance



HP comes with its own share of Bloatware and trial ware. I will suggest un-installing these and creating a System Image (Clone) for safeguard of basic windows OS.

Unwillingly, I would STRONGLY suggest you get G002AX with ready windows as Installing your own OS is a horror story with poor driver support and other issues. Price difference is minor.



Benchmarks-

Aquamark 3-
nvidia 7600go , Intel C2D @ 2Ghz 4GB DDR2 (dual channel) laptop- (on power)
gfx 4275
cpu 4891
tot 29749 fps 29.75

HP AMD A8 6410 @ 2Ghz , AMD 8570M (This machine on Power)
GFX 6153
CPU 8430
tot. 45084 fps 45.08

HP AMD A8 6410 @ 2Ghz , AMD R5 Onboard (Forced Power saving Graphics, On Power)
gpx 5538
CPU 7988
tot.41123 fps 41.12

HP AMD A8 6410 @ 1 Ghz , AMD R5 Onboard (This machine on Battery)
GFX 3507
CPU 4282
Tot 24886, Fps 24.89

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Everest ultimate v5 benchmark -
nvidia 7600go , Intel C2D @ 2Ghz, 4GB DDR2 (dual channel) laptop-


mem read- 4073mbs
mem write 3034
latency- 99.2nz

CPU queen 6471
CPU aes 5876
fpu julia- 1355
fpu mandel 634
fpu sinjulia 751

HP AMD A8 6410, AMD 8570M (This machine On power)
mem read- 6606
mem write-3960
latency- 114.5ns

CPU queen- 9045
aes- 149609 ??
fpu Julia- 1194
fpu mandel 7636 ??
fpu sinjulia 1847



UT 2003 Default benchmark (This machine on power)
Flyby-180 FPS, Botmatch 63 Fps


Aida64 benchmarks- (AMD A8 on power)-



















Overclocking-
I tried various OC apps like K10Stat, Brazos tweaker, MSI afterburner, Saphire TriXX , AMD overdrive etc. Unfortunately, None of the Apps could recognize either CPU or GPU properly on this machine. Heck! only Piriform speccy was able to get correct specs and temperature readings. Not even GPU-z works. Overclocking is Impossible on this machine.


Price- Brought for mere 31k during Ganesh festive offer. Windows included.


Verdict- Great AMD A8 hardware that is marred by Stupid HP designs and puzzling windows 8! If you are looking for the cheapest AMD laptop that can do daily job and game a little, this is Okay.

The Specs-
OVERVIEW
Brand HP
Type Notebook
Series G Series
Utility Gaming
Color Sparkling Black
Model Number 15-g002ax (G8D84PA)

PROCESSOR
Processor Name AMD APU A8
Variant 6410
Processor Brand AMD
Clock Speed 2 GHz with Turbo Boost Upto 2.4 GHz
Cache 2 MB

MEMORY
Memory Slots 1 (Unused Slot - 0)
RAM 4 GB DDR3

STORAGE
Hard Disk Capacity 1 TB
RPM 5400
Hardware Interface SATA

OPTICAL DISK DRIVE
Read/Write Speed 8x
Optical Drive SuperMulti DVD Drive with Dual Layer Support

PLATFORM
Operating System Windows 8.1
Architecture 64 bit

DISPLAY
Screen Size 15.6 inch
Resolution 1366 x 768 Pixels
Screen Type HD BrightView LED Backlit Wide Screen Display

GRAPHICS
Dedicated Graphics Memory Type DDR3
Dedicated Graphics Memory Capacity 2 GB
Graphic Processor AMD Radeon HD 8570M

KEYBOARD/INPUT
Integrated Camera HP TrueVision HD Webcam - 1280 x 720 by 24 frames
Pointer Device Touchpad with Windows 8 Multi-touch Gesture Support
Keyboard Full-size Textured Island Style Keyboard with Numeric Keypad

AUDIO
Internal Mic Single Digital Microphone
Speakers Dual Speakers
Sound Effect HD Audio

COMMUNICATION
Ethernet Integrated 10/100 BaseT
Wireless LAN Integrated 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth v4.0

POWER & BATTERY
Power Supply 65 W AC Adapter
Standard Battery 4 cell

PORTS/SLOTS
USB Port/S 2 x USB 2.0, 1 x USB 3.0
RJ45 LAN Yes
HDMI Port Yes, v1.4 HDMI Port with HDCP Support
NO VGA PORT.
Multi Card Slot 3-in-1 Card Reader
Other Ports 1 x Headphone Out / Microphone-in Combo Jack

SECURITY
Lock Port Kensington Lock Slot

Size & Weight
Weight 2.23 kg
Dimension(W*D*H) 377.952 x 259.08 x 25.4 mm
Color Sparkling Black

WARRANTY DETAILS
Warranty Period 1 Year HP India Onsite Warranty

Links-
Snapdeal,
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/hp-15g002ax-notebook-apu-quad/1710445692#ReviewHeader

Acer 5560-
http://www.digit.in/forum/reviews/1...ming-amd-apu-a6-amd-6520g-4gb-ddr3-500gb.html

samsung review-
http://www.digit.in/forum/reviews/1...vision-e1-1-4ghz-amd-7310-2gb-ddr3-500gb.html

**LONG TERM UPDATE**

I am pleased to present a long term update about the machine. This has been my primary machine till date and has been chock full of Apps, Data and Games. Infact, Only 40 GB is free out of 1TB.
There are no complaints regarding this machine and has never failed or Hung. Battery life still holds up at 4~5 hours. Most of the new games are working very well. There is no heating or any other problem.

**WINDOWS 7 INSTALL**
I could not stand the Stupid windows 8.1 So I ended up gathering the guts, Transferred 860GB+ Data to external, and BOOM! Formatted the machine!
The HDD was formatted as GPT so I had to format the whole disc Including recovery partition, System partition and Data areas. However Windows 7 install was smooth (40 Mins).

The Windows already installed Drivers for-
AUDIO
Wired LAN
Chipset
Kayboard and Touchpad

You can easily Download and Install drivers for-
AMD Graphics (Also installs USB 3.0 and card reader Driver automatically)
The Windows Aero and Brightness controlls start working after AMD graphics driver only.
For the webcam you need YOUCAM app installed.

Problem driver-
I had to spend 4~5 hours researching about the WIFI driver. All the Drivers on HP site and also the ones on laptop are Win 8.1.
I found this kind site which has Atheros WIFI driver-
http://driverzone.com/{5dac04e7-b0c9-4c8c-a002-b214ab627c7a}?id=5160656

Make sure your device ID is-
PCI\ven_168C&DEV_0036 SUBSYS 217F103C&REV

And There you have it, Stunning windows 7 on this stunning laptop! All functions working just like win 8 , but just faster and better!
 
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bhvm

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Few updates I've noticed-

Power consumption-
Idling. Brightness medium- 4W only!!
Web surfing on WIFI - 5w
Web surfing with backgroud tasks- 7.8w

Idling on High performance preset- 10.8w
Gaming on Onboard GPU (High performance) 15.8w
Gaming in dGPU (High performance) 25w !


Heating-
Gaming on Onboard GPU (High performance) max 62.C
Gaming in dGPU (High performance) upto 84.C (with cooling stand)


I've noticed that adding even a very large fan does not help bring down temperatures. HP has poor thermal design and it shows here.
 

Vyom

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That is some in depth review that you have written there. Kudos. And thanks for sharing.
 
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bhvm

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Today I had a nice long session playing COD 5 WAW on battery. I am blown away at the Tiny Onboard APU. A Comfortable 30FPS on Onboard R5 6410 Graphics, 4x AA, 16x AF, 720p
The GPU 1 and Mem 1 (8570M dGPU) is totally turned off

Amazing performance with just 128 Shaders.



 

srkmish

Ambassador of Buzz
Really great review. This seems like a capable gaming laptop.

But as you mentioned if the thermal dissipation is not good, wont it cause problems eventually?
 

Vyom

The Power of x480
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APU's are very powerful graphics capability. I was blown away too when I use to play good amount of racing games on a Combo Mobo (Gigabyte E350N) which costed just 4k ! It had a AMD Radeon HD 6310 as integrated graphics and games like Trackmania and NFS Undercover runs smooth!

APU's are awesome for people who are on a budget and still want a good gaming experience.
 
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bhvm

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Really great review. This seems like a capable gaming laptop.

But as you mentioned if the thermal dissipation is not good, wont it cause problems eventually?

1)HP has a bad track record for Cooling. I opened up quite a few HP laptops and I know what their design is...
There is a single heatpipe that goes like
GPU>CPU>Some chipset> single copper heatsink> Fan

Not only this is inadequate but single pipe means ONE overheating component can also overheat other chips on the Pipe. Same thing seems to be happening over here.

2)I have a 7 year old Hp DV9 laptop at my office doing file serving all day. it ildes at about 66.C and Games near 91.C (on Nvidia 7600GO). Horrible temps but rock solild, Doing whole day that way. Intels are tough nuts for temps. Only time will tell about AMD though.

Problem is even the largest Notebook fan (Zebronics 1000NC) does not bring temps down.

3) You can alleviate the temps by forcing games on Onboard BEEMA R5 Graphics. Its pretty good on its own and temps stay around 72.C.

APU's are very powerful graphics capability. I was blown away too when I use to play good amount of racing games on a Combo Mobo (Gigabyte E350N) which costed just 4k ! It had a AMD Radeon HD 6310 as integrated graphics and games like Trackmania and NFS Undercover runs smooth!

APU's are awesome for people who are on a budget and still want a good gaming experience.
Here you go-
AnandTech Portal | The Brazos Review: AMD's E-350 Supplants ION for mini-ITX

I remember what you're talking about. The GPU is same as in my Samsung E1 with AMD 7310 (laptop models are 7310, desktop 6310 perhaps). They have just 80 shaders which is puny by today standards. But I clearly remember how even 32 and 64 shaders where total drool just 3~4 years ago (with the launch of Nvidia 9600GT at 8k).

http://www.digit.in/forum/reviews/1...vision-e1-1-4ghz-amd-7310-2gb-ddr3-500gb.html

I still don't understand why people recommend i3 and i5 for gaming.
 

Vyom

The Power of x480
Staff member
Admin
I still don't understand why people recommend i3 and i5 for gaming.

Probably because people who are "not" on budget can pair it with an intense Graphic card. I myself bought Core i5 4570 since I will buy a graphic card later when I intend to do hardcore gaming.
But probably an A10 would have served my purpose too regarding gaming.
 

srkmish

Ambassador of Buzz
3) You can alleviate the temps by forcing games on Onboard BEEMA R5 Graphics. Its pretty good on its own and temps stay around 72.C.

But what is the point of purchasing a laptop with graphics card if one does not get to use the same due to fear of frying
 
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But what is the point of purchasing a laptop with graphics card if one does not get to use the same due to fear of frying

Hmm... valid point. These days im gaming mostly on Onboard only. Its just that Crysis 2 and 3 needs discrete one for smooth playback.

The laptop has only one air intake vent about the center. I have pasted a 40mm High speed fan on it, powered by external 12v transformer. I'll let you know how it goes.
 

srkmish

Ambassador of Buzz
[MENTION=89823]bhvm[/MENTION] : Can you shed your thoughts on the below laptop. Apparently it has the NVIDIA GeForce 840M 2 GB Card which can play Many games of 2013/2014 fluently in WXGA resolution (as per notebook check). Im very tempted to buy one as it is only 36.5k on amazon.

Buy Lenovo Z50-70 59420313 15.6-inch Laptop (Silver) with Laptop Bag Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in

1.7GHz Intel Core i5 processor
4GB DDR3 RAM
1TB Hard drive
2GB Nvidia N15S GT DDR3 = NVIDIA GeForce 840M

As per notebook check,

According to our benchmarks, the GeForce 840M is about 30 percent faster than the old GT 740M and just slightly behind a GeForce GT 750M (DDR3 version). Many games of 2013/2014 can be played fluently in WXGA resolution (1366 x 768) and medium or high detail settings. However, very demanding games such as Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4 will require lower resolutions and/or details.
 
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bhvm

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[MENTION=89823]bhvm[/MENTION] : Can you shed your thoughts on the below laptop. Apparently it has the NVIDIA GeForce 840M 2 GB Card which can play Many games of 2013/2014 fluently in WXGA resolution (as per notebook check). Im very tempted to buy one as it is only 36.5k on amazon.

Buy Lenovo Z50-70 59420313 15.6-inch Laptop (Silver) with Laptop Bag Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in

1.7GHz Intel Core i5 processor
4GB DDR3 RAM
1TB Hard drive
2GB Nvidia N15S GT DDR3 = NVIDIA GeForce 840M

As per notebook check,

According to our benchmarks, the GeForce 840M is about 30 percent faster than the old GT 740M and just slightly behind a GeForce GT 750M (DDR3 version). Many games of 2013/2014 can be played fluently in WXGA resolution (1366 x 768) and medium or high detail settings. However, very demanding games such as Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4 will require lower resolutions and/or details.

Sure,
The GT 840M with its 384 shaders clocker over a ghz sure seem promising. You should be able to play all the latest games at highest settings on 720p. Do try to add in another 4gig stick and you have a very nice Budget gaming beast.
 
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bhvm

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I tried the all new AMD gesture control (50MB download)
It works like a charm for flipping photos. The Mouse mode though is very finkcy. It does not "catch' up my hand when it should. Sometimes I have to hover my hand for a few sec before the software Thinks I want a mouse mode. Very funny .
Some more refinements and this could be a hit.
 

ankitj1611

Journeyman
Hello bhvm

I have one special request if you can fulfill.Can you please post the hdd temperature using crystal disk info or any another after continous gameplay of 1 hour or more?

I have hp 2010ax i want to compare my temp

Thanks
 
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bhvm

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I have transferred this lappy to my primary use.
I am using HDMi to VGA converter for the dual display which works flawlessly, But other one I had did not. The Display blanked out randomly and failed to detect sometimes.
The one that is working has a Sligltly lesser Image quality and the image looks 'Soft"

So beware if you people can think a simple converter can address the lack of VGA.
Otherwise the performance is great and maching is snappy. I am currently playing cysis2 and works like a charm. heat is not that much with cooling pad.
Windows 8 hogs up too much space (40GB OS, 20GB reovery) due to high amount of data my free space is only 7GB out of 1 TB.
 

Chaitanya

Cyborg Agent
Re: HP G002AX / G009AX Laptop [Honest review, Bench, Gaming] [AMD Beema A8 6140, 4GB, 1TB, 2GB 8570m

Nice, in depth review.
Seems like HP doesn't want another company to have this budget gaming bracket, first G6-2005AX now this...
 

Chaitanya

Cyborg Agent
Re: HP G002AX / G009AX Laptop [Honest review, Bench, Gaming] [AMD Beema A8 6140, 4GB, 1TB, 2GB 8570m

BTW have you tried out any Linux distro ?

My laptop(2005AX) is PITA when it comes to Linux
 
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bhvm

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Forget Linux, HP does not support even WINDOWS 7 as well.
Windows 8 is really lame and hate it more than anything.
 
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