Entry Level - Performance Laptop - INR 60-65K - mostly editing

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1) What is your budget? (INR or USD)
Around INR 60-65K

2) What size & weight consideration (if any) would you prefer?
  • Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen.
  • Weight : Not much of an issue since traveling will be minimal
3) What are the primary tasks you will be performing with this notebook?

Primarily used for the following purposes.

1. Video Editing ~ mostly 1080p videos - - 60% of time (Adobe Premiere Pro / After Effects)
2. Watching movies - 30 % of time
3. Light Gaming - 10 % of time - (I dont play much AAA games)


5) Any typical configuration in your mind you're eying for ?

Processor : i5 - 9th / 10th Gen or any similar spec chipset from AMD Ryzen 5 or 7 series
Storage : Min 256GB SSD
GPU : Min GTX 1650
RAM : Min 8GB RAM - provision for expansion as well.
Screen : Best available Iat the price point - FHD is okay- Crisp and Punchier Colors. Need to cover atleast 70% RGB Gamut.


4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
Need to see laptop in store before buying
Also if list of approved retailers from onlines stores that are genuine.

6) Anything else you would like to say?

  • Screen resolution ( 1080p (Full HD) )
  • Battery back up ( normal (3-4hrs)
  • Purchase place ( Online and Offline )
Should be able to last a minimum and should not be under powered for the next 4-5 years.

Hope one of the below will suffice the requirements.

1. ASUS TUF Fx505 DT - currently 65K - - https://www.amazon.in/FX505DT-Graphics-5-3550H-Windows-FX505DT-AL106T/dp/B07RTYFS9S/
2. Acer Nitro 7 -currently 68K - - https://www.amazon.in/Acer-i5-9300H...omputers&sprefix=acer+ni,computers,304&sr=1-3
3. Lenovo Legion Y540 - currently out of stock but available in store for 65K -- i5 9th GEN / 256GB SSD + 1 TB HDD, 8GB RAM + GTX 1650 ~4 GB
 

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1. Video Editing ~ mostly 1080p videos - - 60% of time (Adobe Premiere Pro / After Effects)
At least 16GB RAM (and Hexa Core if 4K) needed if you run both at the same time and create Dynamic Link - After Effects start become heavier once you start adding layer/component, Stick to Nvidia as both will benefit from that.

Premiere Pro will also benefit from increased RAM if you are into pre-formatted Transition and Graphics/Titles.
 
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Target Ryzen 5 4600H and GTX 1650 for nvenc support on Premiere. Of course, you'll have to use an external monitor because of low color accuracy and color gamut coverage on performance laptops in this budget.
 
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At least 16GB RAM (and Hexa Core if 4K) needed if you run both at the same time and create Dynamic Link - After Effects start become heavier once you start adding layer/component, Stick to Nvidia as both will benefit from that.

Premiere Pro will also benefit from increased RAM if you are into pre-formatted Transition and Graphics/Titles.
Wont be running both simultaneously.

16GB is a wish but unfortunately 16GB models are north of 80K and money is tight. I was planning to put not more than 40K but understand the laptops in that price bracket may not be much suitable for editing :wah:

Will upgrade possibly after this COVID thing is over.
 
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Target Ryzen 5 4600H and GTX 1650 for nvenc support on Premiere. Of course, you'll have to use an external monitor because of low color accuracy and color gamut coverage on performance laptops in this budget.
Any laptops in the Ryzen 5 4600H that can be purchased immediately (in the next 10-15 days)

Monitor is defintely out of question till Jan 2021 and will have to manage with whatever best is available.
 

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Any laptops in the Ryzen 5 4600H that can be purchased immediately (in the next 10-15 days)

Monitor is defintely out of question till Jan 2021 and will have to manage with whatever best is available.
Look during the upcoming Amazon & maybe FK sales.

Models to look for:
  1. Asus TUF A15 for ~62k (Its thermal system isn't good for R7 + 1660Ti, but fine for R5 + even 1650Ti)
  2. HP Pavilion Gaming for under 60k
Both have R5 4600H + GTX 1650. If you can't find them in stock, get Lenovo Y540. Try to get 8GB RAM model with maybe 512GB SSD pre-installed. Add a 1TB HDD/SSD & additional 8GB RAM later.
 
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Look during the upcoming Amazon & maybe FK sales.

Models to look for:
  1. Asus TUF A15 for ~62k (Its thermal system isn't good for R7 + 1660Ti, but fine for R5 + even 1650Ti)
  2. HP Pavilion Gaming for under 60k
Both have R5 4600H + GTX 1650. If you can't find them in stock, get Lenovo Y540. Try to get 8GB RAM model with maybe 512GB SSD pre-installed. Add a 1TB HDD/SSD & additional 8GB RAM later.
Thanks a lot @omega44-xt for the recommendations.

ASUS TUF A15 (Ryzen 5 4600H models retailing at north of 75K) - - Buy ASUS TUF Gaming A15 Laptop 15.6" FHD 144Hz, Ryzen 5 4600H, GTX 1650Ti 4GB Graphics (8GB RAM/512GB NVMe SSD/Windows 10/Fortress Gray/2.30 Kg), FA566II-HN228T Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in

HP Pavilion Gaming (Ryzen 5 4600H Model also 70K plus)-- Buy HP Pavilion Gaming 15.6-inch FHD Gaming Laptop (Ryzen 5-4600H/8GB/512GB SSD/Windows 10/144Hz/NVIDIA GTX 1650ti 4GB/Shadow Black), 15-ec1051AX Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in

Legion Y540 - 128GB SSD + 1 TB HDD - at 67K on Lenovo website.

1. Are the i5 models of ASUS TUF and HP Pavilion Gaming not worth considering since they are similar to Y540 ?
2. Can we expect some reduction in prices online during the Independence Day Sale (will there even be a sale or not).
3. What can be good bargain price for Legion Y540 in the retail store / MBO like Vijay Sales - The nearest Vijay Sales near my place has the 128 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD model for 70K. This is considering that even laptops in the range of 35-40K are now selling at 50K.
4. Any specifc difference between GTX 1650 and GTX 1650 Ti (Asus and HP laptops have mentioned GTX 1650 Ti where as Lenovo one mentions only 1650.
 

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Thanks a lot @omega44-xt for the recommendations.

ASUS TUF A15 (Ryzen 5 4600H models retailing at north of 75K) - - Buy ASUS TUF Gaming A15 Laptop 15.6" FHD 144Hz, Ryzen 5 4600H, GTX 1650Ti 4GB Graphics (8GB RAM/512GB NVMe SSD/Windows 10/Fortress Gray/2.30 Kg), FA566II-HN228T Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in

HP Pavilion Gaming (Ryzen 5 4600H Model also 70K plus)-- Buy HP Pavilion Gaming 15.6-inch FHD Gaming Laptop (Ryzen 5-4600H/8GB/512GB SSD/Windows 10/144Hz/NVIDIA GTX 1650ti 4GB/Shadow Black), 15-ec1051AX Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in

Legion Y540 - 128GB SSD + 1 TB HDD - at 67K on Lenovo website.

1. Are the i5 models of ASUS TUF and HP Pavilion Gaming not worth considering since they are similar to Y540 ?
2. Can we expect some reduction in prices online during the Independence Day Sale (will there even be a sale or not).
3. What can be good bargain price for Legion Y540 in the retail store / MBO like Vijay Sales - The nearest Vijay Sales near my place has the 128 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD model for 70K. This is considering that even laptops in the range of 35-40K are now selling at 50K.
4. Any specifc difference between GTX 1650 and GTX 1650 Ti (Asus and HP laptops have mentioned GTX 1650 Ti where as Lenovo one mentions only 1650.
I said, look for R5 4600H + GTX 1650 models, which are out of stock right now. Maybe they will get in stock during sales, if you see one, just grab it. A15 was 62k from what I remember & Pavilion was listed at 50k in FK but never went on sale (for HDD only model).

1. R5 4600H = i7 10750H > i5 10300H/9300H, so R5 4600H is just a much better performer
2. I can't predict, these are uncertain times. But generally, that was the case.
3. Y540 with i5, 1650, 512GB SSD & 8GB RAM has been on sale for 60k online. So that's a good price now considering prices have gone up & Y540 is kind of old now.
4. 1650Ti is 10% better, not huge, but a difference nonetheless.

If you thinking of going to 75k, get this:
Buy HP Omen 15.6-inch FHD Gaming Laptop (Ryzen 5-4600H/8GB/512GB SSD/Windows 10/NVIDIA GTX 1650ti 4GB/Shadow Black/2.36 kg), 15-en0001AX Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in
 

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Just some ques to the Experts,

(1) Hp OMEN is better than Asus TUF A15 in the thermal department?
(2) HP OMEN with R5 4600H + 1660 Ti 6GB (15-en0002AX) superior than HP OMEN R7 4800H + 1650 Ti 4GB (15-en0004AX) ?
(3) People are preferring a Hexa Core over Octa-Core just for GPU - why?
 

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Just some ques to the Experts,

(1) Hp OMEN is better than Asus TUF A15 in the thermal department?
(2) HP OMEN with R5 4600H + 1660 Ti 6GB (15-en0002AX) superior than HP OMEN R7 4800H + 1650 Ti 4GB (15-en0004AX) ?
(3) People are preferring a Hexa Core over Octa-Core just for GPU - why?
1. Yes
2. Yes for gaming but no for CPU intensive tasks like video editing.
3. Better GPU directly translates to better gaming performance unless its getting CPU bottlenecked, like R7 3750H + RTX2060 will perform inferior to R5 4600H + 1660Ti because of CPU bottleneck. Also, 1660Ti is like 35-40% better than GTX 1650Ti, maybe, which is very huge. R7 4800H is ~25% better than R5 4600H, but most games will hit GPU limit before being able to utilize that 8 core CPU.
 
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I said, look for R5 4600H + GTX 1650 models, which are out of stock right now. Maybe they will get in stock during sales, if you see one, just grab it. A15 was 62k from what I remember & Pavilion was listed at 50k in FK but never went on sale (for HDD only model).

1. R5 4600H = i7 10750H > i5 10300H/9300H, so R5 4600H is just a much better performer
2. I can't predict, these are uncertain times. But generally, that was the case.
3. Y540 with i5, 1650, 512GB SSD & 8GB RAM has been on sale for 60k online. So that's a good price now considering prices have gone up & Y540 is kind of old now.
4. 1650Ti is 10% better, not huge, but a difference nonetheless.

If you thinking of going to 75k, get this:
Buy HP Omen 15.6-inch FHD Gaming Laptop (Ryzen 5-4600H/8GB/512GB SSD/Windows 10/NVIDIA GTX 1650ti 4GB/Shadow Black/2.36 kg), 15-en0001AX Online at Low Prices in India - Amazon.in
Thanks a lot @omega44-xt for the details. Much appreciated to narrow down the choices. :doublethumb::doublethumb:

**update**

Went to some shops today for a general inquiry and primary visual observation of the screens and overall look of laptop.

1. No ASUS showroom in this part of Mumbai. But ASUS TUF A15 with R5 4600H retailing around 78K mark.
2. HP Pavilion with R5 4600H - No one even heard of this system, not even the authorised distributor. He has on offer i5 9300H - around 70K
3. Went to Lenovo Showroom - Got the shock !!! Y540 with i5 8300H price quoted at 78K. :banghead:
I told him price is way off. Even the i5 9300H / 128GB SSD + 1 TB HDD is available at 67K on website. Had a look at the laptop and the design seems really nice. The only downside being the screen which looked a bit dull (Bright Showroom lights could have caused this) - Planning to visit again tomorrow / 2 days later and bargain for the 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD model for 58K - lets see what best deal can be got. :hyper:
4. The Vijay Sales outlet which is the only ASUS dealer in the area was closed. Again will visit tomorrow to see some other 1080p panel laptops + secure a good deal for Legion Y540. Hope fully in the 58K range.
5. Online prices are simply not dropping - in fact some are charging exorbitant rates online - probably due to COVID. :fc_bat:


Overall showroom sellers are ignorant of specs and configurations.

1. Unless specified - they wont show the better option model (Lenovo showroon guy said the company did not have a 128GB SSD + 1 TB HDD model. I had to open the website and show him the same.
2. AMD bias is very much visible. Almost all of them preferring the intel ones over AMD ones.
3. Most customers have almost zero knowledge about laptops and processors - hence very easy to misguide them.

Lets see whats up for tomorrow. Kinda sad that RYZEN 4600H are not available in the open market.
 
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This is most likely because of higher commission they get on selling intel models compared to amd models.
How is it that retailers are able to obtain better commissions on Intel chipset laptops than AMD ones ?

This is considering that almost all major laptop companies baring DELL have both Intel and AMD chip laptops on offer are more or less similar price points depending on the processing power.
 

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How is it that retailers are able to obtain better commissions on Intel chipset laptops than AMD ones ?

This is considering that almost all major laptop companies baring DELL have both Intel and AMD chip laptops on offer are more or less similar price points depending on the processing power.
That is why AMD alleged Intel of abusing its dominant position in the past. Intel can afford to pay more commission because it has more money courtesy of its long monopoly in the past.
 

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Thanks a lot @omega44-xt for the details. Much appreciated to narrow down the choices. :doublethumb::doublethumb:

**update**

Went to some shops today for a general inquiry and primary visual observation of the screens and overall look of laptop.

1. No ASUS showroom in this part of Mumbai. But ASUS TUF A15 with R5 4600H retailing around 78K mark.
2. HP Pavilion with R5 4600H - No one even heard of this system, not even the authorised distributor. He has on offer i5 9300H - around 70K
3. Went to Lenovo Showroom - Got the shock !!! Y540 with i5 8300H price quoted at 78K. :banghead:
I told him price is way off. Even the i5 9300H / 128GB SSD + 1 TB HDD is available at 67K on website. Had a look at the laptop and the design seems really nice. The only downside being the screen which looked a bit dull (Bright Showroom lights could have caused this) - Planning to visit again tomorrow / 2 days later and bargain for the 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD model for 58K - lets see what best deal can be got. :hyper:
4. The Vijay Sales outlet which is the only ASUS dealer in the area was closed. Again will visit tomorrow to see some other 1080p panel laptops + secure a good deal for Legion Y540. Hope fully in the 58K range.
5. Online prices are simply not dropping - in fact some are charging exorbitant rates online - probably due to COVID. :fc_bat:


Overall showroom sellers are ignorant of specs and configurations.

1. Unless specified - they wont show the better option model (Lenovo showroon guy said the company did not have a 128GB SSD + 1 TB HDD model. I had to open the website and show him the same.
2. AMD bias is very much visible. Almost all of them preferring the intel ones over AMD ones.
3. Most customers have almost zero knowledge about laptops and processors - hence very easy to misguide them.

Lets see whats up for tomorrow. Kinda sad that RYZEN 4600H are not available in the open market.
Shopkeepers lie blatantly, like without hesitation. There should be laws against it & should be implemented.

Laptop manufacturers are themselves having Intel bias, not sure what they are doing. I agree that more people know of Intel than AMD, but manufacturers should try to offer both options, at least in US & EU where laptops will sell a lot. India is a relatively poor country, so not fair to ask them to experiment here.

Check Asus G15 (AMD) vs Asus M15 (Intel), both have same chassis with CPU difference majorly. G15 has bottom vents blocked, whereas its open in M15. For Asus A15 they claim that VRM temps are higher if they open bottom vents, which was found to be true when Hardware Unboxed tested it. But even they said that Asus should have improved VRM cooling that blocking vents to make even CPU & GPU hotter. There are no laptops with new AMD Ryzen CPU & RTX 2070 MQ or higher. A cheap R5 4600H performs similar to Intel's i7 says how much Intel is lagging now.
 

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1. Yes
2. Yes for gaming but no for CPU intensive tasks like video editing.
3. Better GPU directly translates to better gaming performance unless its getting CPU bottlenecked, like R7 3750H + RTX2060 will perform inferior to R5 4600H + 1660Ti because of CPU bottleneck. Also, 1660Ti is like 35-40% better than GTX 1650Ti, maybe, which is very huge. R7 4800H is ~25% better than R5 4600H, but most games will hit GPU limit before being able to utilize that 8 core CPU.
Thank you for the reply and detail explanation.
Found out HP Omen 4600H + 1660 Ti comes with 6 Cell battery (70Wh) Battery but the other two models come only 3 Cell battery i,e 4800H / 4600H + 1650 Ti....There is no 4800H + 1660 Ti for India which comes with 144hz Display.
 
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**update*

Found out this model for 62500.



Would like to know the below.

1. How is Reliance Digital as a place for buying ? Are they reliable or very bad?
2. Is this model an Indian model since companies may not cover the warranty for some models which arent there in India.
3. Is 63K a good price for the same. ?

Request an early response so that i can buy it before it goes out of stock
 
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