EFiX Hack Dongle to Let PC Users Run OS X without Hacks

[goobimama]

Actually Apple does not need to file a lawsuit. All they need to do is drastically change the way OSX installs so that all the EFiX users are left with an outdated copy of OS X. I'm pretty sure they are waiting for the Psystar+EFiX userbase to mount and then send them the boot.

As for OS X, you can buy it of course.

 

[infra_red_dude]

U need to have a mac to buy it, dont you?

^^ No, you can buy Mac OS X separately.

I think we can. I have seen Tiger & Leopard discs at Mac stores on sale.

I said the same

 

[iMav]

Oh damn, I am hallucinating. Need to catch some sleep.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Um Hello??

It modifies the "intended use" of the actual Software to run on Non Apple Machines. Thats good enough for a lawsuit in most countries.

I guess so. But does "intended use" REALLY qualify for a lawsuit ? As long as the allowed type

And what makes an original mac not work on our PCs? Also what would be the price of a mac cd?

Macintosh often uses hardware/interfaces different from some mainstream computers.
EFI instead of BIOS
USB keyboard instead of PS/2 keyboard
IDE HDD instead of SATA HDD
etc etc(compiled by my friend who is a hackint0sh user)

Actually Apple does not need to file a lawsuit. All they need to do is drastically change the way OSX installs so that all the EFiX users are left with an outdated copy of OS X. I'm pretty sure they are waiting for the Psystar+EFiX userbase to mount and then send them the boot.

Nope. This dongle thing basically converts standard PC parts to some of the stuff which a apple pc uses. For example, EFI from BIOS, USB Keyboard from PS2 keyboard, IDE HDD from SATA HDD, etc. So unless the Macintosh OS installer specifically tries to see the exact hardware configuration, and tries to match it with a catlogue of macintoshes, for example, see if the supposed mac mini really has only an 80GB HDD, it can't detect the presence of non apple hardware.

That, or it needs to change hardware requirements, which would render current apple PCs useless.

Besides, Psystar is not the main threat. EFiX will be the REAL threat, because for a cheap device, it can do wonders. Imagine something like mac users paying 130$ for a new osx while non mac users pay 130$+50$ for a new osx. This money is worth it considering Windows Pi$$TA is still more expensive.

As for people being left with an outdated OS, thats hardly a thing to worry about considering many still use windows xp. The main advantage of having OSX installed is the ability to use iLife, which is full of mac exclusive apps. And any good version will do.

Oh damn, I am hallucinating. Need to catch some sleep.

Still not asleep ? I just woke a couple of hours back after going to sleep at 6.

 

[FilledVoid]

guess so. But does "intended use" REALLY qualify for a lawsuit ? As long as the allowed type

Yes. Apple released a product which clearly states the intent and rights a consumer has to use it. Using it in any other way specifically mentioned in the EULA ends up in a lawsuit if they want.

You can check this out also

2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original.

Its quite clear that the thing goes beyond the License agreement.

 

[goobimama]

^^ USB Keyboard is mac exclusive? Goodness this is a first. And where are you getting this Macs use IDE HDDs? All of them come with SATA drives. The only big difference is the EFI, and the TCMPsomething chip which tells the software that the computer is a mac.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

^^ USB Keyboard is mac exclusive? Goodness this is a first. And where are you getting this Macs use IDE HDDs? All of them come with SATA drives. The only big difference is the EFI, and the TCMPsomething chip which tells the software that the computer is a mac.

My friend found that to use a mac, he needed to use an IDE drive instead of his SATA one and he spent Rs. 500/- on a USB keyboard because PS/2 is not detected by mac. I think the drive issue may be an exception, but its a well known fact that a mac can't recoganise PS/2 ports.

 

[sakumar79]

2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original.

Offtopic: Will putting up a sticker showing apple picture (not necessarily a half eaten one) on a regular PC qualify as a "Apple labelled computer"?

Arun

 

[FilledVoid]

Offtopic: Will putting up a sticker showing apple picture (not necessarily a half eaten one) on a regular PC qualify as a "Apple labelled computer"?

Assuming you own a car . Lets say Ambassador / Maruthi or whatever . Will putting the word Aston Martin on it make it any different ?

 

[goobimama]

^^ I see the famous Car - Computers comparison has been brought into play...

 

[praka123]

@filled-void: owned apple |users

 

[FilledVoid]

^^ I see the famous Car - Computers comparison has been brought into play...

Lol , Im sorry . If You ask a silly question , you get a silly answer .

 

[bikdel]

Because of this. The update disc I think costs $129.

thanx. I had once actually posted one thread on intel's itanium failure and researched about EFI but did not know it was there in Macs too since their shift to Intel. Thanks anyway?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Offtopic: Will putting up a sticker showing apple picture (not necessarily a half eaten one) on a regular PC qualify as a "Apple labelled computer"?

Arun

Actually, yes I guess so.
Thats true unless there is a defination of the term "Apple Labelled" within the licence agreement.

For that, I need a copy of apple EULA.

I am getting exited already.

Apple Labelled. Those dumb asses. Even in some Indian laws, the word "may" is often used in a way that not following it is not illegal since "may" is only suggestive, not authoritative.

 

[praka123]

@gowtham :read M$ windows EULA -full satisfaction guranteed *www.techenclave.com/images/smilies/happy55.gif

 

[FilledVoid]

Actually, yes I guess so.
Thats true unless there is a defination of the term "Apple Labelled" within the licence agreement.

For that, I need a copy of apple EULA.

I am getting exited already.

Apple Labelled. Those dumb asses. Even in some Indian laws, the word "may" is often used in a way that not following it is not illegal since "may" is only suggestive, not authoritative.

Sigh. Apple Labelled in legal terms would rather mean that the computer was manufactured by Apple or in other words the company that maintains the Apple Trademark. The Apple EULA does not contain the definition for an "Apple Labeled" computer because legally it is implied in whatever court you are pleading in.

You think Apple Labeled was formed by dumbasses? Dude this is a MNC. The Business World is the Survival of the Fittest. If your product sucks or its run by a group of three year olds it gets mowed down. PERIOD. You can hate Microsoft / Apple as much as you want but the truth is they are experts when it comes to business.

Even in some Indian Laws? Please quote the Act/ Section you are referring to and the use of "may" in it . I'll be more than happy to clear the doubt. I fail to find the suggestive reference in "You May...." or "You May not". Maybe I am wrong . Why don't you quote the law you find the use of "May" as a suggestive reference or probably a certain case proceedings?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Even in some Indian Laws? Please quote the Act/ Section you are referring to and the use of "may" in it . I'll be more than happy to clear the doubt. I fail to find the suggestive reference in "You May...." or "You May not". Maybe I am wrong . Why don't you quote the law you find the use of "May" as a suggestive referecne or probably a certain case proceedings?

I remember reading it in The Hindu newspaper. Let me see...
Bangalore Edition, 16/6/2008 - Page 15

OK, found it online:

*www.hindu.com/2008/06/16/stories/2008061655711500.htm

 

[FilledVoid]

I opted for the former alternative and paid CGT to the Australian Taxation office as at November 25, 2002. Under Article 13(5) of the Agreement between India and Australia for the Avoidance of Double Taxation, “Income or gains derived for the alienation of share or comparable interests in a company....... may be taxed in the contracting state of which the company is resident”

The reason the word May is in the above statement is because there are numerous conditions which attribute to whether the taxes are applicable or not. Usually they are given as sub sections to the law mentioned above. In the above source they have truncated the Article so Im not sure what it says and I'm not sure of what it actually says in the case of Australia and India. In other words you may be taxable if you qualify for certain criteria.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

The reason the word May is in the above statement is because there are numerous conditions which attribute to whether the taxes are applicable or not. Usually they are given as sub sections to the law mentioned above. In the above source they have truncated the Article so Im not sure what it says and I'm not sure of what it actually says in the case of Australia and India. In other words you may be taxable if you qualify for certain criteria.

I know, but still... Looking at a similar set of arguements:

1. Apple needs you to install Mac only on an Apple Labelled Computer.

2. Under Indian law, using a software you bought for non commercial personal home use while running only one copy at a time is always Fair Use, unless you violate a clause in the EULA.

3. Literally speaking, you never violate any clause of Apple EULA if you use a computer thats "Apple Labeled".

4. Under the language used in the EULA, english, "Apple Labeled" means labeled as Apple or labeled with an apple.

Now isn't it looking possible to argue in a court that installing Macintosh on any computer labeled with an "apple" is legal ? You don't literally violate the EULA, and the use you are putting the software to is stil fair use.

Correct me if I went wrong anywhere, but I think all this means you don't need apple manufactured hardware anymore to install apple manufactured operating system, under the clauses I just stated.

 

[Pathik]

WTF! Wont patents and rights apply here? That only Apple may produce Apple 'labelled' computers?