Countdown to Iphone india begins!!!!

[skeletor]

Well, I'm not against iPhone.

I believe that if 4-5 main features are added to it, it can really be a killer mobile.

1) Video Recording: I know its coming soon....
2) Bluetooth
3) Improve upon the Camera driver
4) Java: even though iPhone is going to get its own applications soon but Java rocks as far Platform independency is concerned.....
5) MMS

 

[kirangp]

The only thing I want is flash support which I doubt is ever gonna happen....I find my iPod touch good enough....well I really have to agree that the touch screen feature is quite good... It will be so much difficult to use any other handheld device for browsing after using the iPod touch....Iphone will really be a worthy investment only when iphone=3g+flash+more than 2 applications can be run at a time...but still in India 28000 is a very raw deal... Atleast by that time v2 firmware would have been released...

 

[aryayush]

Well, I'm not against iPhone.

Thank God! Now you're talking. I don't agree with your list, but you're entitled to your own opinion. I'm just glad to see you're not just a blind Apple hater.

I believe that if 4-5 main features are added to it, it can really be a killer mobile.

I believe it already is.

1) Video Recording: I know its coming soon....

I doubt that it's coming soon, and I don't want it either.

2) Bluetooth

I agree. The iPhone is sorely lacking in the Bluetooth department.

3) Improve upon the Camera driver

Why? What's wrong with it now? It takes awesome pictures.

4) Java: even though iPhone is going to get its own applications soon but Java rocks as far Platform independency is concerned.....

Why do we want applications from other platforms? I hope and pray Java never happens on the iPhone. Native applications are awesome. Java is complete and utter crap. I hate it so much that I paid Rs. 1,500 for a native Mac application, when a Java application that does the same thing was available for free.

Please, please, Apple, never ever allow Java to spoil the iPhone!

5) MMS

Umm... what? MMS? What's that? Who uses it anyway? It's a dead technology. Sending emails with attachments is the way to go. I do wish the iPhone allowed you to send more than one picture as an attachment though (you still can, but using third party applications).

 

[The Conqueror]

Well, I'm not against iPhone.

I believe that if 4-5 main features are added to it, it can really be a killer mobile.

1) Video Recording: I know its coming soon....
2) Bluetooth
3) Improve upon the Camera driver
4) Java: even though iPhone is going to get its own applications soon but Java rocks as far Platform independency is concerned.....
5) MMS

There is no need of Bluetooth when it has Wi-Fi, as bluetooth is slower and now outdated

 

[skeletor]

Thank God! Now you're talking. I don't agree with your list, but you're entitled to your own opinion. I'm just glad to see you're not just a blind Apple hater.

Who said that I'm an Apple hater??...Did I say so??......I'm really considering to get an iMac next. Actually I'm a Microsoft hater.

I believe it already is.

It is but these features and the price forbid me from buying it.

I agree. The iPhone is sorely lacking in the Bluetooth department.

This really needs to be improved. File sharing is easier in Bluetooth and no use of internet (I'll have to send email is I want to share using my iPhone). Its short & easy.

Why? What's wrong with it now? It takes awesome pictures.

Night mode can be improved. There is always scope of improvment.

Why do we want applications from other platforms? I hope and pray Java never happens on the iPhone. Native applications are awesome. Java is complete and utter crap. I hate it so much that I paid Rs. 1,500 for a native Mac application, when a Java application that does the same thing was available for free.

Please, please, Apple, never ever allow Java to spoil the iPhone!

Actually it saves development costs of other companies. Java is platform independent. It is going to bring lots and lots of games and applications. And yeah, a Java application will never be malicious as it will have limited access to the iPhone OS and hardware whereas malicious iPhone native applications may be developed.

Umm... what? MMS? What's that? Who uses it anyway? It's a dead technology. Sending emails with attachments is the way to go. I do wish the iPhone allowed you to send more than one picture as an attachment though (you still can, but using third party applications).

I agree but is there anything wrong in having it?? Those Ringtone providers send ringtones through MMS. Atleast we can receive MMS.

 

[aryayush]

There is no need of Bluetooth when it has Wi-Fi, as bluetooth is slower and now outdated

Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, for the most part, serve entirely different purposes.

 

[The Conqueror]

I thought that file transfer is possible on wi-fi too.ok thanks for clearing my doubt

 

[aryayush]

Actually it saves development costs of other companies too. Java is platform independent. It is going to bring lots and lots of games and applications.

Trust me, the iPhone is going to have "lots and lots of games and applications" anyway. Already does, actually.

Quality is far more important than quantity. Java applications, though numerous, are no match for the quality of native ones. Similarly, there are several Windows applications for everything you can do but hardly any of them are ever able to match up to the quality of the two applications Mac OS X has for that purpose.

Again, quality is far more important than quantity. I'd prefer if Java applications didn't litter the iPhone development environment at all.

And yeah, a Java application will never be malicious as it will have limited access to the iPhone OS and hardware whereas malicious iPhone native applications may be developed.

No, they cannot. Apple will be the gatekeeper of all applications that make it to your iPhone so you can rest assured that they won't allow any malicious applications through.

I agree but is there anything wrong in having it?? If those Ringtone providers can send ringtones them through MMS?? Atleast we can receive MMS.

Bah. Who cares! Seriously, I have much better things to do in life than worry about stupid ringtones. I never change the default ringtone on my phones and never subscribe to stupid "hello tune" services. I'd much rather spend my efforts on loading the phone with songs or videos or other things that entertain or interest me.

 

[dreamcatcher]

hope by the time i have the phone in my hands i can play games on is massive screen..and dude...java and flash is a must...java support will come sooner than expected i think..rather i hope so..i dont need a better cam coz i will have my k850 or the c905(7.2 sony phone)..

cant wait for august

 

[skeletor]

Trust me, the iPhone is going to have "lots and lots of games and applications" anyway. Already does, actually.

Quality is far more important than quantity. Java applications, though numerous, are no match for the quality of native ones. Similarly, there are several Windows applications for everything you can do but hardly any of them are ever able to match up to the quality of the two applications Mac OS X has for that purpose.

Again, quality is far more important than quantity. I'd prefer if Java applications didn't litter the iPhone development environment at all.

Lol..man I used to say the same thing to vaibhavtek "Quality is more important than quantity"...Duh! I miss him. He used to make this forum a little humorous.

Anyways, got on to the topic. I was just saying to include Java into iPhone so that it saves time for mobile application developers. People will now have to learn about iPhone SDK.

What about the Java game which I play on my mobile?? Won't I like to get onto my iPhone and enjoy??

Anyways, I think getting Java on iPhone may be difficult because they'll have to also develop a virtual on-screen keypad for those games and apps.
They'll require a special JVM developed for iPhone.

Probably they think that if they get Java, then people may not develop native iPhone applications. May be a strategy by Apple to boost iPhone native application development.

No, they cannot. Apple will be the gatekeeper of all applications that make it to your iPhone so you can rest assured that they won't allow any malicious applications through.

Its nice that they'll check & examine applications. But for gods sake I don't want them to restrict me installing only their approved applications. They shouldn't be the sole gatekeeper. I should also have some sort of right that I can install any application which I want. I want them just to give a certification that this app is iPhone safe. And yeah, they won't need this sole gatekeeping for Java. But in future we may expect a Java enabled iPhone when we'll have tons of native apps for iPhone.

Bah. Who cares! Seriously, I have much better things to do in life than worry about stupid ringtones. I never change the default ringtone on my phones and never subscribe to stupid "hello tune" services. I'd much rather spend my efforts on loading the phone with songs or videos or other things that entertain or interest me.

I agree. Even I hate those Hello tunes and balah blah and will always use the default ringing and dialer tone. But what if one day I want to use MMS... I'm too stubborn, you see. Anyways, I give this to you as I've ever never touched that MMS feature in my mobile since 3.5 years.

Anyways, I'm done for today. I've to do a lot of HW now......Bye tc good night.

PS: Don't think that I'm an Apple hater.....I really love Mac OS X and will surely get an iMac.

 

[The Conqueror]

This Thread is turning into wars !
one thing i can say everything lacks something so no thing is Perfect its near perfect.

 

[aryayush]

java and flash is a must...

Apart from YouTube, Flash is pretty much only used for advertisements on the Internet, and YouTube is already there on the iPhone.

java support will come sooner than expected i think..rather i hope so..

Wait and watch. I like to think that I understand Apple and Steve Jobs better than most people here and I don't think Java is coming to the iPhone any time soon, if at all.

You might want to read this: *www.applematters.com/article/flash-and-java-on-the-iphone-similar-problems-similar-fate

This Thread is turning into wars !

It was, but I think it has been salvaged now.

I was just saying to include Java into iPhone so that it saves time for mobile application developers. People will now have to learn about iPhone SDK.

During the introduction of the SDK, Apple showed applications developed by some developers, in just two weeks, who'd never even touched a Mac before and all of those applications and games were far better than anything Java applications and games are capable of. In just two weeks.

Trust me, right now, you have no idea what OS X is capable of.

What about the Java game which I play on my mobile?? Won't I like to get onto my iPhone and enjoy??

Which Java games do you currently play that you'd like to see on the iPhone?

Probably they think that if they get Java, then people may not develop native iPhone applications. May be a strategy by Apple to boost iPhone native application development.

LOL! Once you buy a Mac and get to know about Apple, you'll realise how funny that sounds. You can develop Java applications for Mac OS X but there are about ten Java applications out there for the platform. The native development tools for OS X are so advanced, and supposedly easy to learn, that no developer in their right mind chooses to go the Java route. The same applies for the iPhone.

Its nice that they'll check & examine applications. But for gods sake I don't want them to restrict me installing only their approved applications. They shouldn't be the sole gatekeeper. I should also have some sort of right that I can install any application which I want.

Why? So that you can install aforementioned malicious applications and screw up your device and then blame Apple? Because that's exactly what is going to happen if they allow everyone to jump onboard.

The other day, ring_wraith was blaming Apple because I loaded some unofficial applications and they screwed up my phone.

Apple's doing the right thing by monitoring all applications before they reach the user and I wouldn't have it any other way.

PS: Don't think that I'm an Apple hater.....I really love Mac OS X and will surely get an iMac.

That's up to you, but I don't think you're an Apple hater.

 

[skeletor]

During the introduction of the SDK, Apple showed applications developed by some developers, in just two weeks, who'd never even touched a Mac before and all of those applications and games were far better than anything Java applications and games are capable of. In just two weeks.

Trust me, right now, you have no idea what OS X is capable of.

Thats good.

Which Java games do you currently play that you'd like to see on the iPhone?

FIFA 2005 MIE, Dragon Island, MotoGP07, Rambo on fire, Midtown Madness 3 mobile.....the list is endless.

LOL! Once you buy a Mac and get to know about Apple, you'll realise how funny that sounds. You can develop Java applications for Mac OS X but there are about ten Java applications out there for the platform. The native development tools for OS X are so advanced, and supposedly easy to learn, that no developer in their right mind chooses to go the Java route. The same applies for the iPhone.

Developers choose to go the Java route so that they can target more audience. Thats why I was just wanting iPhone users to also be a part of those audience.

Why? So that you can install aforementioned malicious applications and screw up your device and then blame Apple? Because that's exactly what is going to happen if they allow everyone to jump onboard.

The other day, ring_wraith was blaming Apple because I loaded some unofficial applications and they screwed up my phone.

Apple's doing the right thing by monitoring all applications before they reach the user and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Well, it will be better if they just give a certification to an application because some people will like to do whatever they want to do with their iPhone.

Anyways, the world is bad. If they do limit the power of installing apps, people will criticize them and if they don't, then also people will criticize them like ring_wraith did.

 

[praka123]

a truth many dislikes -OS X isnt the best operating system in this world
So,buying iphone for os x is like buying magazines(esp in TN) for masala powder free

 

[aritrap]

I doubt if the iPhone will retail for 28k when it releases in India as from today, it is retailing for GBP 169 instead of GBP 269 in the UK(the price cut is only for the 8GB version).


Source: GSMArena

 

[aryayush]

FIFA 2005 MIE, Dragon Island, MotoGP07, Rambo on fire, Midtown Madness 3 mobile.....the list is endless.

Well, we'll just have to wait and watch to know which games become available on the iPhone. Apple is targeting gaming in a big way though, and big names like Electronic Arts and SEGA are onboard, so I have high hopes for it.

Developers choose to go the Java route so that they can target more audience. Thats why I was just wanting iPhone users to also be a part of those audience.

It's like telling a Mac OS X user that he's missing out on the vast number of applications available for Windows. He knows that he is but the point is that he doesn't care. At the end of the day, you're only going to use one messenger client, one media player and one text editor. So what matters is that the ones available be of good quality, not that there be tens of applications in every category to choose from. Like I said, Java is all about quantity. An iPhone user would always prefer quality. Wait and watch, there are going to be all sorts of applications for the iPhone. No one is going to miss Java (except Sun, perhaps).

 

[Hrithan2020]

Who wants Iphone for such a hefty price.
Am waiting for Iphone 3g..

 

[teknoPhobia]

Milind, I don't know about you but ever since I bought the iPhone, I've lost all will to argue with anyone about it being the best phone in the world.

I have it, use it, love it and can say, beyond a shadow of doubt, that it is the best gadget ever made. Why do I have to explain myself to some of the retards on this forum (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular)?

Every person I've ever shown the phone too, and that's a lot, even though I never went out of my way to show it off, is completely shocked by the device. They're astounded by the things it can do. Sure, it can't do a few things here and there, but Apple keeps improving it with free software updates, unlike any other company in the world.

Till one month ago, there was only one product I'd ever bought that I was completely satisfied with. Now the count is at two. Unsurprisingly, both are Apple products and both run OS X, the best operating system in the world.

So stop arguing with them. If they haven't used an iPhone, they can never get it. And if someone has used it properly and still thinks there's some gadget out there better than it, then I pity that person. He/she has completely lost it and doesn't have any respect for the best things in life. Must've committed some sin or something to have been punished so brutally by God.

In any case, the less people buy iPhones, the better it is for us, the ones who do own it. There's only one model; you don't want to lose the exclusivity, do you?

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Rs. 28,000 for the 8GB version, by the way, is just freaking expensive. It shouldn't be any more than Rs. 20,000 (people suggesting something like 16K are on crack).

I dunno about the exclusive part, considering hat the single most common cellphone in my batch where I work is the iPhone and there's all of one N82....

Off Topic- I was going to quote Arya here but there are too many statements and I don't feel like it. However, I have read a large number of posts of his and I can safely state that any reasonably person would be under the impression that his age is around 13.

After having used the iPhone for a substantial amount of time, I would have to agree that the iPhone scores a 10 on interface, however, it scores about 2 on functionality and features and 0 on VFM.

The iPhone (in fact, all apple products) are for those who value form over function, and are willing to pay an unreasonably high premium for it. (Also for those individuals whose mental capabilities are not up the learning curve for other devices). Then there are those of us who have no problems learning how to use something and realising that beauty is not merely skin deep.

In short, apple fanboys give me a migraine.

 

[iMav]

^ we have been saying this since the first pics were leaked

 

[aryayush]

I was going to quote Arya here but there are too many statements and I don't feel like it. However, I have read a large number of posts of his and I can safely state that any reasonably person would be under the impression that his age is around 13.

Yes, and your very informative post gives us the impression that you're 92. Should I call you uncle? And can I have a lollipop?