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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
This is where the problem lies. The problem with Apple is not the hardware; it's the arrogance & attitude of macboys. Fatbeing has said so many times use whatever u like, just don't rant your product to be the best cos it's not without its flaws. We gave the same reasons again & again why Mac sux, seems like you have a problem in reading.
1) The Mac you are talking about cannot be easily updated.
2) You are charged a lot then what should be the cost. Stop paying for white color.
3) You are acting elite, while this is proven by yourself that you do not know how to compare products or for anything non-Mac. If u did you wouldn't be giving such lame reasons.
Grow up boy, stop acting like a baby & sticking to one thing while there are better choices. iPod itself is not the best player in the market but it's sailing just due to its brand name. Same goes with Apple Mac.
Those who know how to use a computer buy PC. You pay $130 each year (legal) to upgrade your OS. About the point that MacOS X tiger can be installed even on 10 years old Mac (PowerPC G3) then Plz do so & see how "good" it works. Even Vista can be installed on a P3 1GHz, but the performance will be bad obviously
Vista is out for 4 months, yet 0 security related problems. No security update so far for it. No Anti-virus required on it right now. I m myself using it just with Ad-muncher, & Windows Firewall. No XP virus affects Vista, even if I run in myself (tested in VM by me).
It's costly, but there are so many versions to choose from which results in low TCO.
It provides features much better then MacOS X, what Audio are u using arya? AC'97 right, here is the thing; With Vista & even XP we now use HD Audio & EAX.
What about the I\O stack is their support for SAS in MacOS X server, go check again...it's there in Windows Server & Longhorn server beta & Vista from many vendors. But for Mac there is only 1 so far.
What about IPv6 in Mac, just a few apps use IPv6. In Vista each & every application has access to IPv6, cos app asks the OS which gives IPv6 transfer automatically.
What about DirectX & Gaming, nope not on Mac.
What about MCE features, again not on a Mac properly? & No, front row is not even close to the feature & performance of Vista Media Centre.
Virus on Vista, none so far, better then Windows XPs track record. It's not even cracked properly yet.
What about support from Hardware vendors. If your hardware is not supported it’s as good as junk.
You mentioned that before Vista we didn't had applications like Photo Gallery which helps in management of Photos. Here is the thing, ever heard about IrfanView (free) or Picasa (free) or ACDSee (Paid). Ok these were not integrated in Windows itself, but looking at the past of MS, they cannot cos they will get sued. (& they did got sued for including features in Windows).
1) My applications which I use on XP are not supported on Mac. I have paid for a few so I m not going to pay for alternatives. But here is the thing; if I paid for one app in XP I can still use it in Vista.
2) You cannot resize the Windows from anywhere. Just the south east corner.
3) It hogs RAM, 1 GB is minimum, & it runs pathetic on 512 MB RAM.
4) I cannot upgrade it the way I want to. If apple isn't supporting the upgrade then there is no way. Don't talk about RAM here plz
5) I don't know whether my hardware will work or not. I don't want to run to check hardware compatibility before buying something just to make sure it will run.
6) I don't want to pay $130 each year to upgrade. A better option is to pay Rs 8,000 once for Vista Home premium for years to come. I paid Rs 7000 for Windows XP in 2002, & still using it fine.
Still, if you want to use MacOS X & your 1.47 Lakh macbook which blasts & gets hot as hell then plz do so, just stop acting like a smug & imposing it over others
While Apple goes after bloggers & theme designers for making a skin for "Windows Mobile"
1) The Mac you are talking about cannot be easily updated.
2) You are charged a lot then what should be the cost. Stop paying for white color.
3) You are acting elite, while this is proven by yourself that you do not know how to compare products or for anything non-Mac. If u did you wouldn't be giving such lame reasons.
Grow up boy, stop acting like a baby & sticking to one thing while there are better choices. iPod itself is not the best player in the market but it's sailing just due to its brand name. Same goes with Apple Mac.
Those who know how to use a computer buy PC. You pay $130 each year (legal) to upgrade your OS. About the point that MacOS X tiger can be installed even on 10 years old Mac (PowerPC G3) then Plz do so & see how "good" it works. Even Vista can be installed on a P3 1GHz, but the performance will be bad obviously
Vista is out for 4 months, yet 0 security related problems. No security update so far for it. No Anti-virus required on it right now. I m myself using it just with Ad-muncher, & Windows Firewall. No XP virus affects Vista, even if I run in myself (tested in VM by me).
It's costly, but there are so many versions to choose from which results in low TCO.
It provides features much better then MacOS X, what Audio are u using arya? AC'97 right, here is the thing; With Vista & even XP we now use HD Audio & EAX.
What about the I\O stack is their support for SAS in MacOS X server, go check again...it's there in Windows Server & Longhorn server beta & Vista from many vendors. But for Mac there is only 1 so far.
What about IPv6 in Mac, just a few apps use IPv6. In Vista each & every application has access to IPv6, cos app asks the OS which gives IPv6 transfer automatically.
What about DirectX & Gaming, nope not on Mac.
What about MCE features, again not on a Mac properly? & No, front row is not even close to the feature & performance of Vista Media Centre.
Virus on Vista, none so far, better then Windows XPs track record. It's not even cracked properly yet.
What about support from Hardware vendors. If your hardware is not supported it’s as good as junk.
You mentioned that before Vista we didn't had applications like Photo Gallery which helps in management of Photos. Here is the thing, ever heard about IrfanView (free) or Picasa (free) or ACDSee (Paid). Ok these were not integrated in Windows itself, but looking at the past of MS, they cannot cos they will get sued. (& they did got sued for including features in Windows).
1) My applications which I use on XP are not supported on Mac. I have paid for a few so I m not going to pay for alternatives. But here is the thing; if I paid for one app in XP I can still use it in Vista.
2) You cannot resize the Windows from anywhere. Just the south east corner.
3) It hogs RAM, 1 GB is minimum, & it runs pathetic on 512 MB RAM.
4) I cannot upgrade it the way I want to. If apple isn't supporting the upgrade then there is no way. Don't talk about RAM here plz
5) I don't know whether my hardware will work or not. I don't want to run to check hardware compatibility before buying something just to make sure it will run.
6) I don't want to pay $130 each year to upgrade. A better option is to pay Rs 8,000 once for Vista Home premium for years to come. I paid Rs 7000 for Windows XP in 2002, & still using it fine.
Still, if you want to use MacOS X & your 1.47 Lakh macbook which blasts & gets hot as hell then plz do so, just stop acting like a smug & imposing it over others
While Apple goes after bloggers & theme designers for making a skin for "Windows Mobile"
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kalpik
In Pursuit of "Happyness"
Umm.. Im not really sure if that's true.. I myself have seen some security updates comming in thriugh windows updates.. And as far as far as an antivirus is concerned, it is definately recommended, even with Vista.. That's why people are coming up with new versions, supporting Vista (eg Avast, Kaspersky, Nod32, and soon Avira). And believe me when i say it, Vista has been completely cracked in at least 3 different ways..gx_saurav said:
Disclaimer: Im not a fanboy of windows/mac/linux etc.. Just putting forward some points..
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
kalpik said:
Kalpik, glad to hear some proper remark
Vista, like any version of Windows will require antivirus cos well.....it's Windows & it is targeted most due to it's market share. But as of now, I was not wrong when I said when I said 0 security releated problem for Windows Vista, there were updates for Windows Mail etc but not the OS itself.
Many users including me here are using Vista without antivirus. There are even many using Windows XP without Antivirus just cos we know how to use Windows, we don't just click on anything (viagra anyone
)About those 3 compleately different cracks
1) I tried it myself in VM, after 5 days the timar started again
2) Doesn't work everytime. This can & will be rectified by a Windows Update.
3) Already solved via Windows update.
Vista will be crack eventually, but like I said above, there is no proper crack as of yet.
By the way, 57 users have said Vista will fly so far....well, it is all over the news. It is indeed flying
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shantanu
Technomancer
Till now the only AV to get access to Vista KERNEL is AVG business edition, and all others will be coming in April or MAY,
and of cracks , NO vista isnt cracked yet, Those all cracks dont even work, they are just craps,, and M$ called Hackers to crack vista before launching and fixed the issues found after that.. and i think some cracker committed that his crack was fake , but all users were saying that it worked, just to critisize vista.
and of cracks , NO vista isnt cracked yet, Those all cracks dont even work, they are just craps,, and M$ called Hackers to crack vista before launching and fixed the issues found after that.. and i think some cracker committed that his crack was fake , but all users were saying that it worked, just to critisize vista.
kalpik
In Pursuit of "Happyness"
Hehe.. Windows Mail is also part of the OS, aint itgx_saurav said:Kalpik, glad to hear some proper remark
Vista, like any version of Windows will require antivirus cos well.....it's Windows & it is targeted most due to it's market share. But as of now, I was not wrong when I said when I said 0 security releated problem for Windows Vista, there were updates for Windows Mail etc but not the OS itself.
Many users including me here are using Vista without antivirus. There are even many using Windows XP without Antivirus just cos we know how to use Windows, we don't just click on anything (viagra anyone
About those 3 compleately different cracks
1) I tried it myself in VM, after 5 days the timar started again
2) Doesn't work everytime. This can & will be rectified by a Windows Update.
3) Already solved via Windows update.
Vista will be crack eventually, but like I said above, there is no proper crack as of yet.
By the way, 57 users have said Vista will fly so far....well, it is all over the news. It is indeed flying
Anyway, you are right, even i NEVER EVER had any virus on XP too (even though i had an AV installed just in case 
, but we are talking about the average joe here aint we? Not an MVP And i didnt want to list out the cracks, but since you already have,1. Works (tested for over 2 months, timer stays..), with ALL updates from MS enabled.
2. Also works, a new release fixed the issues with it not working sometimes (used to give BSOD occasionally). Again, with ALL updates enabled.
3. You missed this one.. This one works too, with ALL updates from MS.
I personally DO NOT use Vista at all (i use Ubuntu), and no way do i endorse piracy.. But i like to be at the top of things
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Viruses are over hyped anyway. Just don't act stupid. The default installation of Vista does a lot to prevent damage by Average Joe in the form of UAC, Windows defender, firewall, secure mode....welll if we are talking about average Joe then i don't think he knows how to disable UAC which helps him.
maybe i was not able to crack it properly. But like I said, this will be resolved using windows update soon, or WGA
Again WGA
It's for bussiness edition not Consumar edition. We all know Vista will be cracked to make it popular. Actully, piracy in homes helps MS. How else do u think so many students learn or study
which helps him. maybe i was not able to crack it properly. But like I said, this will be resolved using windows update soon, or WGAAgain WGA
It's for bussiness edition not Consumar edition. We all know Vista will be cracked to make it popular. Actully, piracy in homes helps MS. How else do u think so many students learn or study
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gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
1) Restricts access to the Windows Folder for any changes
2) Halts the user from making any system level changes which might screw the computer
3) Doesn't let any malicious software to install using activeX or any such method
4) Doesn't let a virus run, cos the virus exe tried to access system lavel access & files & tries to inject itself in startup list of Windows.
5) Informs the user if he is doing something wrong, like deleting a Admin installed printer from Printer control panel, or if he tries to uninstall a driver without admin permission.
UAC does everything to prevent a user from screwing his computer. I do admit there should have been a "Remember my settings fot this program" check box in UAC
aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
OK. All I see it doing is popping up 'Cancel' or 'Allow' dialog boxes for everything I try to do on the system. And though I understand the need for securing certain areas of the Control Panel, what use does it serve to block every piece of software you try to install on the system (the only exception I've come across so far is µTorrent)? How many people will read what it says every time they try to do basic things? Does it give you a different kind of alert when you try to install a virus? No, it obviously doesn't.gx_saurav said:
The biggest annoying thing about it is that it is either there or not. You either keep it turned on and get bugged by the system day in and day out for everything you do on it, or you turn it off and the system will keep mum even if you commit a crucial misstep that could paralyse the system. It is just a feature that Microsoft has put in place to show that they are taking security seriously and doing something about it - and they totally expect every user to turn it off.
Just for the sake of fun, here's Apple's darned funny take on this feature:
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Exactly what I expected you to post, nothing valid or to the point. Since you got pwned again finding that UAC is indeed a feature which well....works.
Average Joe's will cos it attracts attention to the UAC prompt when it papers. Those who don't want to read it are themselves responsible for screwing their OS. UAC warns them.....it is there decision whether to listen to it or not.
& how do you know, have you tried installing a Virus in Vista with UAC turned on yourself? Well, I have, so I can say. It informs with all the info about the application & gives the user a chance for prevention.
So, as you can see, UAC is simple, there is no need to turn it off if you are an average Joe. If you are turning it off anyway....which I do not recommend you cos u indeed are an average Joe of Windows, you still can't replace or modify system files manually or by a Virus. Even then if you take permission to screw your computer, Sorry Vista can't help you in that case.
Suppose UAC is turned off
1) I got a Virus in outlook mail in the form of EXE, well...outlook blocks exe already so I can't open it
2) If I get a mail to go to some webpage & click on some link to do something, well....it will start installing an app (virus) in which case IE 7 notifies me that there is an exe being downloaded & installed without informing you. Here is the thing....average Joe is notified about it, now weather he wants to install an application from an un-trusted source is again his decision.
3) Suppose I do install it, now Windows defender is running, & it will not let this new app inject itself in system startup & will notify u that some app is trying to start at system start up.
phew...average Joe notified, now he still has all the rights to screw his computer.
I do agree, there should be a checkbox for "Remember my settings", so that Power users can turn on UAC but still work properly.
P.S. - Since you have not used Vista, you cannot say it sux. Use before saying anything. About me, well I have been using MacOS 9/X/10.2/10.4 long before you even knew the meaning of the word Computer. MacOS X is good, but not that good, just like Vista which is good but again not that good.
Back to topic - UAC is nagging, but if used can save from lots of problem. Those who want to turn it off can do so, yet they will be informed when doing something wrong. UAC could have been implemented in a better way so welll....lets hope & give feedback to MS to improve it in Vista SP1. UAC is not a show stopper for the success of Vista.
What, you mean you actually let any software install on the computer without informing you
Average Joe's will cos it attracts attention to the UAC prompt when it papers. Those who don't want to read it are themselves responsible for screwing their OS. UAC warns them.....it is there decision whether to listen to it or not.
& how do you know, have you tried installing a Virus in Vista with UAC turned on yourself? Well, I have, so I can say. It informs with all the info about the application & gives the user a chance for prevention.
You got Vista RTM now I guess, right? Turn off UAC, now go & try to replace some file in C:\Windows\system32\,, try to modify or delete any file. Vista will not let you without admin control.
So, as you can see, UAC is simple, there is no need to turn it off if you are an average Joe. If you are turning it off anyway....which I do not recommend you cos u indeed are an average Joe of Windows, you still can't replace or modify system files manually or by a Virus. Even then if you take permission to screw your computer, Sorry Vista can't help you in that case.
Suppose UAC is turned off
1) I got a Virus in outlook mail in the form of EXE, well...outlook blocks exe already so I can't open it
2) If I get a mail to go to some webpage & click on some link to do something, well....it will start installing an app (virus) in which case IE 7 notifies me that there is an exe being downloaded & installed without informing you. Here is the thing....average Joe is notified about it, now weather he wants to install an application from an un-trusted source is again his decision.
3) Suppose I do install it, now Windows defender is running, & it will not let this new app inject itself in system startup & will notify u that some app is trying to start at system start up.
phew...average Joe notified, now he still has all the rights to screw his computer.
I do agree, there should be a checkbox for "Remember my settings", so that Power users can turn on UAC but still work properly.
P.S. - Since you have not used Vista, you cannot say it sux. Use before saying anything. About me, well I have been using MacOS 9/X/10.2/10.4 long before you even knew the meaning of the word Computer. MacOS X is good, but not that good, just like Vista which is good but again not that good.
Back to topic - UAC is nagging, but if used can save from lots of problem. Those who want to turn it off can do so, yet they will be informed when doing something wrong. UAC could have been implemented in a better way so welll....lets hope & give feedback to MS to improve it in Vista SP1. UAC is not a show stopper for the success of Vista.
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
First of all, cut that crap about having used Mac OS X (any version) already. You have never even seen it apart from screenshots on the internet and maybe a few videos.
Secondly, it makes all the sense in the world to have traffic lights on smaller roads that have many intersections and crossroads. But Vista puts traffic lights at intervals of half kilometers even on National Highways, and therein lies the problem. (Don't try to comprehend the meaning of the metaphor, I don't have high expectations from someone who spells "whether" as "weather" and "wasn't" as "wasen't" at the age of twenty two).
If it pops up a UAC dialog when a user tries to install Yahoo! Messenger, iTunes, QuickTime Player and even Windows Live Messenger, the user won't bother to read it when he installs a malicious application either. I suppose you must have heard of the story about the wolf and the shepherd. It is the same thing here.
I am not questioning the capability of Windows Defender or any other security feature in Windows, it is just UAC I am talking about. UAC is useless. You get that? It is completely and utterly useless and it cannot even prevent one person from a virus. Every single objective reviewer on Earth including Paul Thurrott and Scott Finnie think so and honestly, the opinion of people who think they are hot shot geniuses when they have a hard time spelling completely ordinary words matters little!
And I have used Vista Final. It is installed on Parallels even now. The RC1 was installed on my PC. And the UAC feature in the final version does not improve upon RC1 in any way, shape or form.
You yourself are stating it quite clearly what Microsoft's goal was behind the UAC (mis)feature. This is just a way to wash their hands off. If people start blaming Microsoft for viruses on their system, they intend to give the excuse that UAC warned them about the potential danger of installing that particular application which injected a virus into the system, never mind the fact that UAC goes off hundred times each day with the exact same warning for perfectly safe applications.
It is like driving fast on a road that keeps giving you signs at regular intervals that say "Drive slow, manhole ahead". You slow your vehicle and go a long distance. There is no manhole but the signs keep appearing. Eventually you speed up and end up in a manhole ten kilometers later and the Government says that they had put up the signs so it is now your fault.
I can see how that makes sense to a person with a warped mind, but I assure you it is completely abnormal for normal people.
Secondly, it makes all the sense in the world to have traffic lights on smaller roads that have many intersections and crossroads. But Vista puts traffic lights at intervals of half kilometers even on National Highways, and therein lies the problem. (Don't try to comprehend the meaning of the metaphor, I don't have high expectations from someone who spells "whether" as "weather" and "wasn't" as "wasen't" at the age of twenty two).
If it pops up a UAC dialog when a user tries to install Yahoo! Messenger, iTunes, QuickTime Player and even Windows Live Messenger, the user won't bother to read it when he installs a malicious application either. I suppose you must have heard of the story about the wolf and the shepherd. It is the same thing here.
I am not questioning the capability of Windows Defender or any other security feature in Windows, it is just UAC I am talking about. UAC is useless. You get that? It is completely and utterly useless and it cannot even prevent one person from a virus. Every single objective reviewer on Earth including Paul Thurrott and Scott Finnie think so and honestly, the opinion of people who think they are hot shot geniuses when they have a hard time spelling completely ordinary words matters little!
And I have used Vista Final. It is installed on Parallels even now. The RC1 was installed on my PC. And the UAC feature in the final version does not improve upon RC1 in any way, shape or form.
You yourself are stating it quite clearly what Microsoft's goal was behind the UAC (mis)feature. This is just a way to wash their hands off. If people start blaming Microsoft for viruses on their system, they intend to give the excuse that UAC warned them about the potential danger of installing that particular application which injected a virus into the system, never mind the fact that UAC goes off hundred times each day with the exact same warning for perfectly safe applications.
It is like driving fast on a road that keeps giving you signs at regular intervals that say "Drive slow, manhole ahead". You slow your vehicle and go a long distance. There is no manhole but the signs keep appearing. Eventually you speed up and end up in a manhole ten kilometers later and the Government says that they had put up the signs so it is now your fault.
I can see how that makes sense to a person with a warped mind, but I assure you it is completely abnormal for normal people.
amitava82
MMO Addict
Oh look Ma my Rs. 65K (actual price is more) macbook does not come with a DVDRW, only 60GB HDD and no Nvidia or ATi... what a rip-off.. why don't you put couple of benchmark scores then we can compare how it performs with my Rs. 35K laptop. by d way if you want a windows count another 5-6K. still RIP OFF..
what a rip-off.. why don't you put couple of benchmark scores then we can compare how it performs with my Rs. 35K laptop. by d way if you want a windows count another 5-6K. still RIP OFF..- Status