Vista vs Mojave

[FilledVoid]

Oh boy . This lame thread actually reached this lengths. Nice Absolutely stunning. Look at you all fighting like freaking three year olds.

Just had something to clear out. This "Mojave Experiment" is to clear out the FUD about Vista in the present consumers right. In that case let me quote a person who seems to be going apeshit on others.

MS did agree that there was a problem and they fixed it. Look at Vista now, it's rocking. Seems like the author is stil living in 2007 January.

Vista came out with a half done product. It in plain words sucked big time. People obviously bought it expecting it to be able to teleport you to mars. Guess what? The First Impression backfired and people started hating it with more passion than pink polka dot pants. Whether you like it or not it was their own users who created this bad press. Don't call it FUD because these problems in some time did exist and piss off quite a few. You need not go nuts but over the fact that one person on this forum has an Ubuntu icon as his avatar. So get over it. Linking to an article that pisses you off barely qualifies as a reason to taunt other users on this forum with it. You have a problem with the source go talk to the author.

 

[desiibond]

Ok I understand. If some other OS is difficult to use, it is OS's fault. If it is Windows I should not complain I must bang my head against wall and learn.
Can I use Vista for 3 months to see if it is worth and then get a re-fund of my license fee if it sucks? Or do they allow a trial version for 3 months??

I have two questions for you.

1) When was the last time that you used Vista?
2) What is the configuration of your PC?

answer these questions and I will tell you whether you will like Vista (if you try it with nothing in mind about it).

and btw, I have tried couple of times to use linux on my desktop. It doesn't recognize 50% of my hardware properly however I try.

though I get it right, it doesn't live upto the mark. Moreover, I am a gamer and you know I have a reason to stay off from linux on desk side.

On the other hand, I am a linux admin and when I step into office, I work only on linux. 99%.

I have winxp, linux and solaris workstations to use in office. And there, I feel that linux is the best for that work.

Because the apps that I use (like apache, ssh etc) work better on linux.

What I say is that you should not rely on what others say. Start using it with nothing in your mind about it.

My home pc spec is in my signature. My primary task for home pc is pure multimedia and gaming. Nothing else. For that Vista suites best. For the first time I used vista on same pc without GPU (nvidia 6100 onboard) and 1Gig ram. had few issues for first 2-3 months. Then I installed all the driver updates etc and since then no issues. Only once it crashed after more than a year (first time I used OS for a year without formatting). I installed fresh copy of Vista and all the updates and this time it's even better. hardware is bonded even more to the OS.

 

[Pat]

and btw, I have tried couple of times to use linux on my desktop. It doesn't recognize 50% of my hardware properly however I try.

And did you ever try to get help from Linux experts on this forum? Or you just formed an opinion about it in 8 hours ?

 

[chandru.in]

1) When was the last time that you used Vista?

I did not try it on my system for this reason.

Can I use Vista for 3 months to see if it is worth and then get a re-fund of my license fee if it sucks? Or do they allow a trial version for 3 months??

2) What is the configuration of your PC?

On several different laptop with RAM ranging from 1 GB to 3 GB. With GPU mostly nVIDIA or Intel. CPU some form of Intel Core 2 Duo.

On 1 GB RAM systems, it runs as fast as a pig even for normal operations (word processing, presentations, etc). On 3 GB RAM systems, it is smooth as butter for normal operations. But becomes a pig when Eclipse and JBoss are started at once without any other visible app running (except avast AV) and aero completely turned off.

On my home system running Ubuntu 8.04 with 2 GB ram, AMD dual core and on-board nVIDIA graphics, I run Firefox + Eclipse + JBoss + iReport + Rhythmbox + Pidgin + Compiz all at once and it shows no sign of slow down.

I buy only hardware known to work well with Linux. But hey you have to do that for Vista too (even more difficult when you have to deal with hardware falsely labeled "Vista Capable")!!

and btw, I have tried couple of times to use linux on my desktop. It doesn't recognize 50% of my hardware properly however I try.

How many hours did you spend on learning it? Not the commands needed for servers but the basic tips for desktop install (like choosing right hardware in a world filled with Windows only hardware for no fault of Linux).

Note: You can spend more than 30 days for learning Linux without having to pay a paisa to anyone unlike Vista.

 

[desiibond]

hmm. Why did it run like a butter on a 1Gb RAM on my PC with Athlon 64 2.2GHz and 6100 chipset? Magic???

No.

You say that I can spend more than 30 days for learning linux. Okay. You tell me this:

1) Play Crysis and GRID

Tell me how to play them. OR show me games of that level.

2) An application like Vista media center where I can do everything related to multimedia.

3) Application like Dreamweaver to design webpages.

I do not say that linux sucks and that it shouldn't be used by anyone unlike those who try to spread the false rumors about Vista. if my friends want to use linux, I will be glad to help. I helped them during college projects and I do help them. But nobody is ready to try because they have the same problem that I have. Gaming and multimedia is certainly not linux's way.

YOu say that Vista gets slower on using more apps. There is a solution. Get a fast processor or add more RAM.

I say linux can't do gaming. What will you do? Ask me to stick to tux racing?

You see. There is a way to make windows work but what about linux???

Anyways, lets keep this linux vs windows thing away from the discussion because it doesn't make any sense in this thread.

This thread is about Vista.

 

[iMav]

Note: You can spend more than 30 days for learning Linux without having to pay a paisa to anyone unlike Vista.

See that's where you're wrong, from the start itself. Get your self Vista from anywhere, install it on your system, use it for 30 days. Don't like it don't buy the license. It gives you 30 days to try. Stop making NOTES that are not true. Man I've become so polite.

 

[desiibond]

^^ thanks mate, forgot to answer that question. You rock

 

[Kl@w-24]

Can we stop the OS wars already? There's no end to it.

 

[desiibond]

The vista haters in the thread are proving that they actually never really tried Vista or tried to make it work.

 

[amitava82]

YOu say that Vista gets slower on using more apps. There is a solution. Get a fast processor or add more RAM.

WoW thats great! I have a Core2duo 2.4GHz laptop with 4GB RAM and you want me to add more processor power and RAM just to run Vista? What do you expect me to buy? A $4500 Alienware with Intel extreme and SLI 8800GTX? Vista FTW.

No thanks, I'll buy a Mac for all my web/graphics designing and a PS3 for gaming (not to forget I can run Ubuntu on it). Its much cheaper and better. And whats more, I can buy a HD TV and still save some bucks.

 

[desiibond]

If you are unable to run Vista on 4Gb ram and on c2D 2.4GHz, tune it.

This is not a problem with Vista.

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.

Check pcworld article about getting most out of vista (it's there in my earlier post).

Seriously, You just have to use it in the right way. that is exactly what MS is trying to teach

 

[amitava82]

Oh thats my fault now. How about you ask MS to fix their own problem instead of asking consumers to read some fking magazine and fix problem. I did not pay fking $150 to clean up their own mess. And you say "This is not a problem with Vista". Please an advice, get over it.

 

[SunnyChahal]

Offtopic:I'm trying to install Vista on my rig with 'quite a good' Config and not being able to install due too ...........its greed for geeks!!Now,fed up with this SH!T,will I continue further or open the drawer,get my Vista Ultimate(Original) and pop it up into the DVD drive?
Ontopic:Windows is much easier and saves time!!!
PS:Here'I'm comparing Windows to Linux not Mac OS X

 

[FilledVoid]

If you are unable to run Vista on 4Gb ram and on c2D 2.4GHz, tune it.

This is not a problem with Vista.

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.

Not to be mean but this is applicable in every operating system's. The only difference is you don't pay to be the scapegoat in Linux. But you do in Other Operating Systems.

 

[desiibond]

Oh thats my fault now. How about you ask MS to fix their own problem instead of asking consumers to read some fking magazine and fix problem. I did not pay fking $150 to clean up their own mess. And you say "This is not a problem with Vista". Please an advice, get over it.

LOLZ. you are not ready to read mag or article that helps to tune vista. And you want me to get over it. It doesn't make any sense. Right!!! Stop being a kid.

You can't run Vista on Core2Duo 2.4GHz and 4Gb RAM. Even Linux Torvalds will die laughing!!!

ONE MORE EXAMPLE!!!!

 

[FilledVoid]

LOLZ. you are not ready to read mag or article that helps to tune vista. And you want me to get over it. It doesn't make any sense. Right!!! Stop being a kid.

You can't run Vista on Core2Duo 2.4GHz and 4Gb RAM. Even Linux Torvalds will die laughing!!!

ONE MORE EXAMPLE!!!!

You don't seem to get it do you? He doesn't want to have to pay for un-installing all the crapware and then fine tune it for the experience. Also let me ask you one thing. Are you 100% sure that every single Laptop installs Vista without a problem?

Oh by the way its not "Linux Torvalds" when you're using a name in a pun use it right.

 

[iMav]

@FilledVoid, if a vendor like Dell or HP bundles crapware and then promotes the laptop as a Vista laptop, the vendor is actually is wrong. It is not MS's fault that some company starts bundling stupid crapware with it's laptop. It does not mean Vista is bad because someone bundles crap with it. Crap taht you don't need and crap that messes the machine up.

 

[FilledVoid]

@FilledVoid, if a vendor like Dell or HP bundles crapware and then promotes the laptop as a Vista laptop, the vendor is actually is wrong. It is not MS's fault that some company starts bundling stupid crapware with it's laptop. It does not mean Vista is bad because someone bundles crap with it. Crap taht you don't need and crap that messes the machine up.

And its not MS'es fault if they force a vendor to bundle a product, its not MS'es fault that there were kabillion errors in their product. They should have probably taken the time to realize it and do something about it.

Not to mention the real thing that pisses me off is the above poster somehow thinks that the users who don't use Vista is in some stone age.

 

[desiibond]

1) I know it's Linus Torvalds.
2) if someone installs bloatware, who is responsible?? manufacturer or Microsoft??
3) If someone's not ready to tune up Vista by removing that bloatware, who is responsible?? Manufacturer or Vista or user??

Vista runs fine on thinkpadT43, HP workstation, assembled PC. It's not bundled Vista. It's my own Vista Home Premium. It's runs pretty fast without any problem. Why? coz I take good care of it and in return, it makes me happy by it's awesome multimedia power and visual appeal.

 

[iMav]

They should have probably taken the time to realize it and do something about it.

They have. From recent Ballmer emails it was clear that they are re-thinking the way they deal with the system manufacturers. Let's hope for the best. But, certainly it is unfair to blame MS and say Vista is bad because what you (not necessarily you) bought is loaded with crap already.