MUMBAI controversy

what do u think about this controversy ?

  • political gimmick and i dont agree to such claims

    Votes: 56 77.8%
  • not a political gimmick and i am with this

    Votes: 6 8.3%
  • i dont care

    Votes: 10 13.9%

  • Total voters
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jithudigitised

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also for your information, at the time of independence, the only language, which was understood by masses was Hindi,
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its because Mr.gandhi,Mr.Jawaharlal Nehru and other majority of the congress members knew hindi..right...

if they were communicating in any other language..then the others would been forced to learn that language since..it was our fight for freedom and other freedom fighters must understand what these leaders were saying....then the hindi wouldn't have been national language..instead the other language would have been...rolleyes:

so dont say that hindi was understand by masses..iinstead it was learned by other freedom fighters for understanding what the leaders were saying.....thats why hindi is our national language now...coz it was spoken by our main stream leaders.:idea:

its only a language mates...THERE IS no need to divide a country for any language.:confused:.. that was the most absurd thing :mad:
 

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its because Mr.gandhi,Mr.Jawaharlal Nehru and other majority of the congress members knew hindi..right...

if they were communicating in any other language..then the others would been forced to learn that language since..it was our fight for freedom and other freedom fighters must understand what these leaders were saying....then the hindi wouldn't have been national language..instead the other language would have been...rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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This recent controversy about Raj Thackeray, targeting Non-Maharashtrian got me thinking. After a bit of pondering, I realized something – Raj Thackeray is NOT anti-Maharashtrian , he is anti-Dalit .

Now before you react to this, let me put it straight – This may not really be the case, but by using the Dalit card against him, we would be able to kick him in his tiny sized almost non-existent poor excuse of balls.

We all know that MNS and the Shiv Sena don’t stand for the interests of non-Hindus. Even among Hindus, it is only the Maharashtrian Hindus that they are interested in wooing. So it would be safe to say that these two parties are standing purely on the basis of the support of Maharashtrian Hindus. Now we all know that even within the Hindu community there are a number of castes and sub-casts, one of them being Hindu Dalit caste. Now we all know, how charged up the situation becomes when we talk about rights of Dalits and hurting their sentiments. It is this very sentiment hurting point that we can use to screw Raj’s intentions.

We all know that it is our Constitutional right to be able to settle anywhere within the boundaries of the country. And who do you think is known as the Architect of India’s Constitution – Dr. B. R. Ambedkar. Now anybody knowing anything about Dalits (Hindus, Christians, Buddhist, Sikh Dalit everyone) would know that Dalits consider Dr. Ambedkar to be even greater than any God that they currently pray to. Any issue that they perceive as an insult to Dr. Ambedkar is simply an excuse for them to bring the whole state to its knees. Remember the incident where someone damaged a statue of Dr. Ambedkar in UP. Almost the whole of Maharashtra was brought to its knees for a couple of days.

Now if we are able to spread the word, that by not allowing people the right to settle and work in Maharashtra, something that is their Constitutional right, Raj Thackeray is in fact challenging Dr. Ambedkar’s credibility and work. This will definitely be viewed by Dalits as the greatest insult to their great leader, thereby putting their own existence at risk. Dalits being categorized as OBC, even the OBC Hindu Maharashtrian population would view Raj’s stand as being anti-OBC. It would be enough reason for them to distance or even take to the streets to oppose Raj Thackeray in his campaign. Going by past incidences, we all know that an opposition by the OBC population in the country is something that absolutely no political party can ever afford to face. So what was started by Raj Thackeray as anti-Maharashtrian campaign becomes an anti-OBC campaign. Political parties that have been hesitant in opposing Raj’s campaign for the fear of angering the Maharashtrian Hindu population will now be able to attack him without any fear at all. Because now it is a matter of protecting the rights of the minority in the country, something that political parties take great pride in protecting (yeh right!!!). And so what was initially a campaign started by him to woo the Maharashtrian Hindus might probably be the reason of his downfall in Maharashtra.

So here is a plan that would help tackle this disease known as Raj Thackeray/ Shiv Sena. Now if only this idea could be placed before people in power and authority, we could have an end to this nonsense.

P.S: I absolutely do not condone the caste system in the community and would be very happy if it is abolished. But as long as it exists, I feel that it should be made to improve the society in any way possible.
 

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latest news coming is that Raj Thackeray may be arrested soon.
 

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If u r planning to write your national level competitive exams(Civil services etc.), u can do so either in English or in hindi. Why hindi, may I ask? Why not in all the regional languages? Doen’t hindi give an undue advantage to hindi speaking people ? For a non-hindi speaking person it is just too much to ask for. First learn English to communicate with the world, then learn hindi to communicate to your fellow citizens. Then, if after all that learning, you have some spare time, handle the syllabus of the respective exams. What the fuk. That, my dear hindi-zindabad brigade, is called imposition. A shameless, bias and hegemonistic imposition.

That we, non-hindi people can write an exam in English, is something that we should thank out stars for. In 1950, when The Constitution was enacted, it was decided that hindi and English would be the 2 official languages till 1965, after which, hindi would be the only official language. Again, what the fuk. Expectedly, thanks largely to the South, another “freedom” struggle started in the “free” India. Only this time around, against the “hegemony” of hindi and its fanboys. It was then, Lal Bahadur Shastri, the then PM, realized the enormity of the stupidity and retained english. Today, we are stealing a march from the Yellow men, largely because of that movement.

One more thing that the hindi-zindabad brigade should understand - mother tongue is not a “small” matter. In fact it is so big, that it has, in the past, enraged an entire country and led to its demise and birth of a new one. It is so sensitive, that even a dead language has been brought to life and made a country’s national language. So people who think this is just another issue, should first, start to love their own mother tongue. Then, and only then, you would realize what and why, we, non-hindi speakers are saying what we are saying.

Having said all of that, I still have something else to say, which might sound contrary to my stand. I live in Kolkata, which is completely over run by non-bengalis. I, personally don’t have a problem with that. Kolkata is after all a metropolitan city. But has that in any way hijacked the Bengali culture in any way. NO. Not a tiny bit. We still love our Tagore, Bankim, Sharatchandra, Sukumar Ray (father of Satyajit Ray) and modern writers like Sunil Ganguli, Joy Goswami etc., our Satyajit Ray, Mrinal Sen, Gautam Ghosh, our “macher jhol” (fish curry), “rosogolla”, misti doi etc. Believe me, hindi hasn’t been able to scratch a bit. And I don’t think it ever will. In fact influx of foreign culture is very much welcome – cause it may, if treated intelligently, enriches the existing one.

This is what I completely fail to understand about South. I support their stance against hindi, but I just can’t bring myself to support the reasons, i.e. hijacking of culture. Surely tamil culture is anything but brittle. It has survived thousands of years, not for no reason. I don’t support “imposition of hindi”, (mind you not the language “hindi”) because it goes against propriety, against the freedom of choice and, if I may, against the very premise of “unity in diversity”. But I just can’t accept the logic that speaking hindi will ruin my culture.

As with certain other members, who do not understand, the difference between something that is “constitutionally” national and something that is “perceived as” national, or for that matter, why something is constitutionally recognized as “national”, you have a long, long road ahead. Keep walking.
 

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If u r planning to write your national level competitive exams(Civil services etc.), u can do so either in English or in hindi. Why hindi, may I ask? Why not in all the regional languages? Doen’t hindi give an undue advantage to hindi speaking people ? For a non-hindi speaking person it is just too much to ask for. First learn English to communicate with the world, then learn hindi to communicate to your fellow citizens. Then, if after all that learning, you have some spare time, handle the syllabus of the respective exams. What the fuk. That, my dear hindi-zindabad brigade, is called imposition. A shameless, bias and hegemonistic imposition.

That we, non-hindi people can write an exam in English, is something that we should thank out stars for. In 1950, when The Constitution was enacted, it was decided that hindi and English would be the 2 official languages till 1965, after which, hindi would be the only official language. Again, what the fuk. Expectedly, thanks largely to the South, another “freedom” struggle started in the “free” India. Only this time around, against the “hegemony” of hindi and its fanboys. It was then, Lal Bahadur Shastri, the then PM, realized the enormity of the stupidity and retained english. Today, we are stealing a march from the Yellow men, largely because of that movement.

One more thing that the hindi-zindabad brigade should understand - mother tongue is not a “small” matter. In fact it is so big, that it has, in the past, enraged an entire country and led to its demise and birth of a new one. It is so sensitive, that even a dead language has been brought to life and made a country’s national language. So people who think this is just another issue, should first, start to love their own mother tongue. Then, and only then, you would realize what and why, we, non-hindi speakers are saying what we are saying.

Having said all of that, I still have something else to say, which might sound contrary to my stand. I live in Kolkata, which is completely over run by non-bengalis. I, personally don’t have a problem with that. Kolkata is after all a metropolitan city. But has that in any way hijacked the Bengali culture in any way. NO. Not a tiny bit. We still love our Tagore, Bankim, Sharatchandra, Sukumar Ray (father of Satyajit Ray) and modern writers like Sunil Ganguli, Joy Goswami etc., our Satyajit Ray, Mrinal Sen, Gautam Ghosh, our “macher jhol” (fish curry), “rosogolla”, misti doi etc. Believe me, hindi hasn’t been able to scratch a bit. And I don’t think it ever will. In fact influx of foreign culture is very much welcome – cause it may, if treated intelligently, enriches the existing one.

This is what I completely fail to understand about South. I support their stance against hindi, but I just can’t bring myself to support the reasons, i.e. hijacking of culture. Surely tamil culture is anything but brittle. It has survived thousands of years, not for no reason. I don’t support “imposition of hindi”, (mind you not the language “hindi”) because it goes against propriety, against the freedom of choice and, if I may, against the very premise of “unity in diversity”. But I just can’t accept the logic that speaking hindi will ruin my culture.

As with certain other members, who do not understand, the difference between something that is “constitutionally” national and something that is “perceived as” national, or for that matter, why something is constitutionally recognized as “national”, you have a long, long road ahead. Keep walking.
Same thing has been discussed previously,
 

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latest news coming is that Raj Thackeray may be arrested soon.
It might snowball big time. He will compare himself with freedom fighters and say "whats the harm in getting arrested and go to jail, even our elders went there!!!!"
BTW some high rank officer hosted Raj Thac at his daughter's wedding ceremony , after Raj's antics !!
 

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If u r planning to write your national level competitive exams(Civil services etc.), u can do so either in English or in hindi. Why hindi, may I ask? Why not in all the regional languages? Doen’t hindi give an undue advantage to hindi speaking people ? For a non-hindi speaking person it is just too much to ask for. First learn English to communicate with the world, then learn hindi to communicate to your fellow citizens. Then, if after all that learning, you have some spare time, handle the syllabus of the respective exams. What the fuk. That, my dear hindi-zindabad brigade, is called imposition. A shameless, bias and hegemonistic imposition.
why are all international exams in english that is imposition of english germans should be allowed to give all international exams in german otherwise its an un-fair advantage to those who know english; no wait all international should be available in french; eh why only german and french they should available in hindi/marathi/gujrati/portuguese/tamil/chinese/japanses/malyali/russian in every freaking language but why arent they? that is the same reason why there needs to be 1 language that is understood by all and common to all as i said earlier hindi is to india what english is to the world

just reading a few posts and jumping to make a big long reply makes no sense unless u have gone thru the thread and read what poeple have said

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=740616&postcount=85

second para here:
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=741063&postcount=94

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=741491&postcount=99

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You are wrong. We are choose whatever language for any level in CBSE. For TN State board, Tamil is compulsory, either you can learn as 1/2/3 language.

i dont know which school u go to but i studied in ssc board maharashtra's board - marathi compulsory till 10th hindi and english 2nd and first respectively; my brother is in cbse board they have marathi till 8th compulsory and hindi english 2nd and first respectively

same as what i said:

first language english
second hindi
third regional language
 

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first language english
second hindi
third regional language.

hey, v studied in our High School as :
> Englsih -1st lang.
> Regional Language -2st lang.
> Hindi -3nd lang.

and am from Kerala.........hw abt it??
 

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hey, v studied in our High School as :
> Englsih -1st lang.
> Regional Language -2st lang.
> Hindi -3nd lang.

and am from Kerala.........hw abt it??
so was it a big deal u studied hindi u can talk in hindi thats it whats the big fuss about hindi down south? ur studying ur regional language ur studying hindi and english hindi - india; english - world; regional - local .... tamasha kyon khada karna hai
 

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y do u hav jai hind?? in ur sig make it jai kerala or whatever regional language u have there ... thats what u want ...
 

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I didn't studied Hindi well........I don't like it. v only waste time for Hindi b'coz v r forced to study this *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/107.gif
 

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I didn't studied Hindi well........I don't like it. v only waste time for Hindi b'coz v r forced to study this *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/107.gif
i say the same about marathi or any other regional language
 

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ethu enthuvaade ezhuthi pidippichirikkunathuu..onnum manasilavunillallo... englishil ezhuthi thallade...:-D
i can bet u understood what i said but u know as well as i do i did not what u said and that my friend is the exact reason why hindi is *official* india language ....
 

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y do u hav jai hind?? in ur sig make it jai kerala or whatever regional language u have there ... thats what u want ...

:confused: hey dude it means jai hind = jai india not jai hindii....ok you got it now..:rolleyes:
 

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@jithudigitised

do hindians hav extra "kommpe"??*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/19.gif hum...jada *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/10.gif
 

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i can bet u understood what i said but u know as well as i do i did not what u said and that my friend is the exact reason why hindi is *official* india language ....

my frienddd .. to be honest i didn't understand KHADA word..all other things were same as our language...i mean the thamsha thing...okk;)
 
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