Security of device/data:iPhone vs Android

whitestar_999

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@SaiyanGoku say whatever bad things you usually do about iPhone but you got to admit when it comes to security android comes nowhere close to iPhone(probably why terrorists prefer iPhone whether in USA or India :lol:).
Why tracking your stolen mobile phone may be tougher than ever - Times of India
Apparently, it is easier to junk the IMEI in phones that run on the cheaper MTK processor. Handsets fitted with Qualcomm Snapdragon are harder to crack, though they are not totally tamper-resistant. Changing the IMEI number of Apple handsets is, however, not possible because the flashers do not work on iPhones.
At least if your iPhone gets stolen you can be assured that nobody else will be using it unlike Android where somebody will be using your phone after paying some amount to thieves.Sure your iPhone will get dismantled but it is one thing to sell parts after physically taking apart a phone while it is another matter when entire phone is simply usable by other person.
 

billubakra

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@SaiyanGoku say whatever bad things you usually do about iPhone but you got to admit when it comes to security android comes nowhere close to iPhone(probably why terrorists prefer iPhone whether in USA or India ).
Why tracking your stolen mobile phone may be tougher than ever - Times of India

At least if your iPhone gets stolen you can be assured that nobody else will be using it unlike Android where somebody will be using your phone after paying some amount to thieves.Sure your iPhone will get dismantled but it is one thing to sell parts after physically taking apart a phone while it is another matter when entire phone is simply usable by other person.

If you are using a flagship Android device like say a Galaxy then you can't change the imei number thanks to Knox and other security features in those phones. By can't I didn't mean that it's not possible but it is hard. That San Bernardino's terrorist's SHITpple was locked and then the FBI paid an Israeli company $$ to get it unlocked. It is hard but still crackable.

Anyways I think op is a fake, get an Android lol.
 
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whitestar_999

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What are you talking about,a simple search on google reveals lots of results for unlocking/cleaning/changing IMEI of samsung galaxy series till s8?As for unlocking Apple,that phone was running an older version of iOS(not the latest at that time) & Apple was already aware of this vulnerability & it was already patched in their latest iOS version at that time.Whatever you say,Apple iPhone is much more secure than Android phones in general & that is a fact.Of course there may be some android models which may come but those are rare exceptions.One of my friend regularly visits gaffar mkt which is the biggest mobile market in India & there only android phones are available to be bought as stolen goods never iPhones.Shopkeepers there simply disassemble iPhones for their parts but never try to sell them because they know it cannot be done.Stolen/unlocked androids are available quite easily though at right places in market.
 

billubakra

Conversation Architect
What are you talking about,a simple search on google reveals lots of results for unlocking/cleaning/changing IMEI of samsung galaxy series till s8?As for unlocking Apple,that phone was running an older version of iOS(not the latest at that time) & Apple was already aware of this vulnerability & it was already patched in their latest iOS version at that time.Whatever you say,Apple iPhone is much more secure than Android phones in general & that is a fact.Of course there may be some android models which may come but those are rare exceptions.One of my friend regularly visits gaffar mkt which is the biggest mobile market in India & there only android phones are available to be bought as stolen goods never iPhones.Shopkeepers there simply disassemble iPhones for their parts but never try to sell them because they know it cannot be done.Stolen/unlocked androids are available quite easily though at right places in market.
In the chor bazaar of my city a SHITpple 6s was being sold for rs. 11000 my friend got it few months back and it is working fine. The shopkeeper at first said that it is a refurbished phone but when my friend bought like 5-6 phones from him he said his distributors got the stolen ones from big cities then flash the os so that it cannot be tracked and eventually they are sold in the market.
I rest my case no more fights, CRapple sucks.
 
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whitestar_999

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This is not fight,this is constructive debate.:) I searched a bit on net & also talked to some people & found out that it is possible to unlock an iPhone by replacing some chips & then rewriting the system data on it.However this process will destroy all earlier user data & this process is also very delicate so there is a chance that some essential chip may get damaged rendering the whole iphone useless.Also this process is usually done in China because there they have the required materials(aka chips as almost all chip manufacturers have factories there & knowhow of making/getting custom chips is quite widespread) & tools to do this.

Still this does confirm that security of iPhone is much more than Android phones.Even if unlocked,the user data of iphone is almost impossible to hack unless some serious state agency like FBI is involved.Anyway here is some food for thought & even if you or anybody else who chose not to respect Apple as a company should at least acknowledge their prowess as a business company((@SaiyanGoku just for info)):
Race To $1 Trillion: Apple Will Get There First But Buy Amazon
The current net worth of Apple at the end of June 2017 Quarter is around $750 billion,for comparison India total exports in 2016 was $264 billion & India's foreign currency reserve is around $395 billion.
 

Minion

Conversation Architect
No phone is secure every thing can be hacked so claiming iphones are secure doesn't make any sense as per claims made by apple/iphone users, well most company sell their product by claiming something but in reality most of the time they fail to deliver
 
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whitestar_999

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No phone is secure every thing can be hacked so claiming iphones are secure doesn't make any sense as per claims made by apple/iphone users, well most company sell their product by claiming something but in reality most of the time they fail to deliver
Nobody made claim here that iphones are secure,it is just that,on an average, iphones are more secure than android phones.
 

billubakra

Conversation Architect
This is not fight,this is constructive debate.:) I searched a bit on net & also talked to some people & found out that it is possible to unlock an iPhone by replacing some chips & then rewriting the system data on it.However this process will destroy all earlier user data & this process is also very delicate so there is a chance that some essential chip may get damaged rendering the whole iphone useless.Also this process is usually done in China because there they have the required materials(aka chips as almost all chip manufacturers have factories there & knowhow of making/getting custom chips is quite widespread) & tools to do this.

Still this does confirm that security of iPhone is much more than Android phones.Even if unlocked,the user data of iphone is almost impossible to hack unless some serious state agency like FBI is involved.Anyway here is some food for thought & even if you or anybody else who chose not to respect Apple as a company should at least acknowledge their prowess as a business company((@SaiyanGoku just for info)):
Race To $1 Trillion: Apple Will Get There First But Buy Amazon
The current net worth of Apple at the end of June 2017 Quarter is around $750 billion,for comparison India total exports in 2016 was $264 billion & India's foreign currency reserve is around $395 billion.

Head over to xda. The developers there will crack that overpriced junk. Two things about the last line, Gates and his foundations have donated almost half of that figure in the past many years. SHITpple should thank their bhakts for the same. These so called bhakts are everywhere.
 

Nerevarine

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Calling someone bhakts for using/preferring a specific piece of technology makes you an anti-bhakt, not to mention the outright ignorance in your comment.

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Let me clarify some things that people here dont seem to know about.
I have worked on both Android Apps and iOS apps for a time now. My final conclusion based on how both OSes handle apps are this :

Android apps are not sandboxed. You can easily modify the behaviour of other apps from your own. You can access system and kernel level much more easily than you can in iOS. For advanced users, this is a boon, but for regular users, this is a gaping security vulnerability.
There is no Google Play app signing policy, Google doesnt directly monitor what your app is capable of doing.
Whereas iOS apps are completely sandboxed starting from iOS 9.0. There is ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing what other apps are installed on the machine, forget trying to tamper with their information. This might seem like a massive caveat but in terms of security, this is pretty good. Apple doesnt allow you to use private APIs, like system or kernel level callbacks, you can use them for own enterprise apps but Apple wont let you publish it to the app store. There is intense and rigorous Q/A monitoring for the apps in the app store.
Apple protects its users from 3rd party Data Analytics, there is absolutely no way for people to identify a device based on hardware serial number or ID. Uber recently came under a lot of heat from apple for trying to do so, my organization is currently under a lot of heat for trying to do so.
In fact, the checks are so rigorous, my current project is halted until we get some sort of solution directly from apple, whereas the team responsible for android, can proceed without any hiccups.
Is the intense security a good thing ? I cant say ? But is iOS more secure than android ? There is absolutely no doubt.
 
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whitestar_999

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Head over to xda. The developers there will crack that overpriced junk. Two things about the last line, Gates and his foundations have donated almost half of that figure in the past many years. SHITpple should thank their bhakts for the same. These so called bhakts are everywhere.
Get a respected xda developer to claim that he can do a better job than FBI did in retrieving user data from a locked iPhone & I will take back anything I have said till now about iphone being relatively more secure than Android.

Also just as @Nerevarine said,being an anti-bhakt is same as being a bhakt(kinda like one religious fanatic vs another religious fanatic,both may be saying different things but basically both are irrational).

The best example of this would be me(hope nobody takes it in a negative way). I have never owned an Apple device & despite having the money to buy it,I probably will never buy an iphone simply because I can not justify spending more than 15-16k of my money on a mobile phone.However I do see the advantages & features of iPhone & here I am defending a device which I never had & most likely will never own(unless apple release some kind of 15k iphone) against a device which I currently own(Android) & advice people to get unless their usage patterns & expectations specifically prefer iPhone.This is what in my opinion is being rational without any bias.
 
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Stormbringer

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Iphones are overpriced just like every other flagship phones from reputable brands. But does that make it bad ? I am a long time Android user and I can say without any doubt that I am compromising on security in return for all the conveniences of Android. Iphones are hackable no doubt but that does not make android better in security front.
 

billubakra

Conversation Architect
Get a respected xda developer to claim that he can do a better job than FBI did in retrieving user data from a locked iPhone & I will take back anything I have said till now about iphone being relatively more secure than Android.

Also just as @Nerevarine said,being an anti-bhakt is same as being a bhakt(kinda like one religious fanatic vs another religious fanatic,both may be saying different things but basically both are irrational).

The best example of this would be me(hope nobody takes it in a negative way). I have never owned an Apple device & despite having the money to buy it,I probably will never buy an iphone simply because I can not justify spending more than 15-16k of my money on a mobile phone.However I do see the advantages & features of iPhone & here I am defending a device which I never had & most likely will never own(unless apple release some kind of 15k iphone) against a device which I currently own(Android) & advice people to get unless their usage patterns & expectations specifically prefer iPhone.This is what in my opinion is being rational without any bias.

Bhai hum haare aap jeete. Khush raho apne 70000 me phone me saath. That xda member's username used to be franco something I don't recall it fully. FBI/CIA will never go to a hacker/cracker who can tell the whole world that he cracked something which they couldn't. So, they paid an Israeli firms millions of $$'s and entered into an agreement that they will be classified. Watch a documentary on the San Bernardino case.
By bhakt I gave the example of modi bhakts no religion here.
 

billubakra

Conversation Architect
Iphones are overpriced just like every other flagship phones from reputable brands. But does that make it bad ? I am a long time Android user and I can say without any doubt that I am compromising on security in return for all the conveniences of Android. Iphones are hackable no doubt but that does not make android better in security front.
There is no OS that is not hackable.
 
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whitestar_999

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Bhai hum haare aap jeete. Khush raho apne 70000 me phone me saath. That xda member's username used to be franco something I don't recall it fully. FBI/CIA will never go to a hacker/cracker who can tell the whole world that he cracked something which they couldn't. So, they paid an Israeli firms millions of $$'s and entered into an agreement that they will be classified. Watch a documentary on the San Bernardino case.
By bhakt I gave the example of modi bhakts no religion here.
Bhai have you even read my post fully or just read the first 2 lines about xda developer.Also have you read @Nerevarine post where he clearly explained why iOS is more secure than Android.Btw I own a Rs.10000 phone & never had or never will buy any phone that cost more than 15000.You are right about hum haare aap jeete.I guess it is really hard to change people's opinion based on facts alone.I don't know why you or many people hate Apple so much when there are much worse things in the world.I never hate a company(not even micromax which is far below Apple) because I have seen some of my friends using micromax phones without issue.Sure I won't recommend them but that does not mean I hate micromax to the point that in any thread if somebody recommends micromax I immediately start name calling micromax as shitmax.
 

billubakra

Conversation Architect
Bhai have you even read my post fully or just read the first 2 lines about xda developer.Also have you read @Nerevarine post where he clearly explained why iOS is more secure than Android.Btw I own a Rs.10000 phone & never had or never will buy any phone that cost more than 15000.You are right about hum haare aap jeete.I guess it is really hard to change people's opinion based on facts alone.I don't know why you or many people hate Apple so much when there are much worse things in the world.I never hate a company(not even micromax which is far below Apple) because I have seen some of my friends using micromax phones without issue.Sure I won't recommend them but that does not mean I hate micromax to the point that in any thread if somebody recommends micromax I immediately start name calling micromax as shitmax.

At least micromax doesn't sell overpriced junk. SHITpple is a devil corp. Check their lawsuits against Samsung. To each its own I guess.
 

Minion

Conversation Architect
Iphones are overpriced just like every other flagship phones from reputable brands. But does that make it bad ? I am a long time Android user and I can say without any doubt that I am compromising on security in return for all the conveniences of Android. Iphones are hackable no doubt but that does not make android better in security front.

LOL! people here are giving too much important to security a typical phone user will have some movies,tv shows,music files and some porns :p maybe so what do you gain by securing these files now you people will say contact information well everyone is selling them be it google,Apple,Microsoft or websites like naukri,monsters so guys you see you can't fully avoid these things if you think security is your main concern then get anything from these 5 phones:-D:-D and please don't say they are expensive
5 most-secure smartphones in the world - The Economic Times
 

Minion

Conversation Architect
This is lame :crazy: You deviated the topic again by referencing a 3rd party enterprise security suite. Just give up :lol:
Bhai sunil if iphones are so secure then why are there so many nude celebrities leaked photos all over internet:rofl: personally i would never trust any company with my private data.
 
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