Opera files a case against Microsoft

[Maroons]

Well...m not a reverse engg but how do U know Opera is the most standard complient out there? I guess by some online review, article or blog right...

Actually, no. There are a huge number of sites that test actual standards compliance. For example, Opera has the most complete SVG implementation in the world (at least for web browsers). How do they know? They test each function in the specification to see if Opera supports it.

Have a look here

I don't see any comments about standards compliance. I see claims about it, but Microsoft has been claiming that for years. It is clear that you should not make comments about standards compliance since you don't even know how it is tested. Might I suggest that you refrain from making outrageous claims like that in the future?

That microsoft is going standard compliant with IE 8

Acid2 is a small but important step in that case. But then again, just because they are passing Acid2 doesn't mean that it will be standards compliant overall. Acid2 only tests a tiny part of a few of the standards.

Even Microsoft pointed this out when Acid2 was first announced

It still remains to be seen whether Microsoft is actually being serious about these claims this time. They never were in the past. Acid2 is not final proof that they do care, but it shows that they take PR seriously.

 

[infra_red_dude]

Lets wait and continue this discussion (or fight ) after IE8 is released. We can't say for sure now whether IE8 will or will not be standards compliant. All we can talk for now is about IE7.

Talking about IE8 and standards compliancy is like saying Windows 7 will haf WinFS. We dunno whether it will. Only time will tell.

Opera hasn't filed a case keeping IE8 in mind. This is directed towards IE7. So lets not go offtopic by discussing standards and IE8 which is not even released!

 

[gxsaurav]

Lets wait and continue this discussion (or fight ) after IE8 is released. We can't say for sure now whether IE8 will or will not be standards compliant. All we can talk for now is about IE7.

IR 7 right now is not standard compliant to the max, however to make it standard compliant MS needs to make changes & release a new version. That is what it is doing with IE 8.

So, better wait...& stop whining.

 

[infra_red_dude]

So, better wait...& stop whining.

And what am I saying?

 

[Batistabomb]

very hot discussion for a small topic, very good carry on

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

There is no need to go after OSS or Apple because there are no monopolists there abusing their market position.

Microsoft did not capture the largest market share overnight . it HAS the largest market share because people like it's products and thet's why they buy it and that is why MS it still the leading OS company .

so stop saying that MS is abusing it's market position coz they didn't get it in their dad's will , they earned it themselves and for that they command respect .

 

[Hitboxx]

Microsoft did not capture the largest market share overnight . it HAS the largest market share because people like it's products and thet's why they buy it and that is why MS it still the leading OS company .

so stop saying that MS is abusing it's market position coz they didn't get it in their dad's will , they earned it themselves and for that they command respect .

People use Windows just because it comes default with the computers they buy, most of the populace didn't even know that other options existed until now.

And Microsoft doesn't abuse its position? History has enough proof of that.

 

[Krazy_About_Technology]

People use Windows just because it comes default with the computers they buy, most of the populace didn't even know that other options existed until now.

And Microsoft doesn't abuse its position? History has enough proof of that.

Well i am not jumping into this discussion but if you look at the situation, at the time when windows was coming with pcs as default, Linux and other choices were not there as a viable alternative, at least for the home users. Its the simplicity of Windows which attracted people towards it, while Unix and its clones at that time were a pure geeky stuff (they still are to an extent , and thats why geeks like me like it sooooo much, i just love my Fedora 8 ). It is always the matter of 'Who comes first to the market'. Microsoft at that time decided to make windows a consumer grade OS and thats what it is. Linux and others are evolving at a rapid pace now, but it was not the same then.

And about monopoly and all that, These are realities of conventional business markets and will continue to be. It is fare to certain extent, coz everybody looks at it in their own profitable way. If you come first with a great product (according to that time's condition) and others don't follow for long enough, its certain that u'll have kind of monopoly in the market, its normal. you cant stop someone saying that you have sold enough of your stuff, now you don't have the right to sell it your way. Ya, competitive environment should be there, but you must have to pay the price of coming late, either economically or strategically. Its a fairly complex topic and i would not like to debate much on it. Interested people can read Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki. Its an eye opener book on the World of Buisness.

 

[infra_red_dude]

It HAS the largest market share because people like it's products and thet's why they buy it and that is why MS it still the leading OS company .

so stop saying that MS is abusing it's market position coz they didn't get it in their dad's will , they earned it themselves and for that they command respect.

 

[Maroons]

to make it standard compliant MS needs to make changes & release a new version. That is what it is doing with IE 8.

That remains to be seen. They have given such promises many times in the past without delivering (remember WinFS?). Microsoft is notorious for bragging about stuff early on, and then failing to deliver.

Still, I hope that IE8 will be standards compliance. And if nothing else, the EU might just force them to anyway

Microsoft did not capture the largest market share overnight . it HAS the largest market share because people like it's products and thet's why they buy it and that is why MS it still the leading OS company .

MS has its current market share not because it is the best, but because of its sleazy tactics. When MS-DOS was out there, others created better DOS clones, and Microsoft would do things like specifically make Windows 3 refuse to start with some cryptic error message on the most popular clone even though it would have worked fine.

so stop saying that MS is abusing it's market position coz they didn't get it in their dad's will , they earned it themselves and for that they command respect .

Sorry to say this, but Microsoft is where it is today largely due to luck and sleazy tactics. It's an impressive feat, by all means. But that doesn't mean that it is a particularly desirable way to do things.