RIP freedom of speech

[Anorion]

Many news like this in media looks fabricated to me about internet.Its that internet is used for blaming incompetance
of politicians rather than leveraging them for positive things.

1.It was said in media that some offensive post in facebook lead to triger of muzaffarnagar riots.
Really? Can u believe a fb post can trigger riot in village? The real reason was not that.

2.The same crap was said about azad maidan in mumbai. That some fb,whatsapp msg of assam riot images caused it. Really?
We know why.

3.Two girls who started a band in jammu were silenced by some ppl after video of singing posted in social network. A fatwa was issued
and they were silenced and tortured by media.But was internet to blame?

4.There was Exodus of north east ppl in Bangalore.Same crap again.Blame internet.Really?

I think we shud think twice before believing media and go on facts.

The real reason the techie got killed is being covered up using fb post but does anyone care what situation triggered this?

except 3, yes really, posts and shares of misinformation, rumours and autopropoganda do spread rapidly and without control on social media, and these do effect, and atmosphere of fear or doubt spreads easily through social media, you gave examples of recent times when it happened

 

[gopi_vbboy]

except 3, yes really, posts and shares of misinformation, rumours and autopropoganda do spread rapidly and without control on social media, and these do effect, and atmosphere of fear or doubt spreads easily through social media, you gave examples of recent times when it happened

They do in countries where everyone has internet like US/UK with 80% population on net. In india its hard to believe its because of social network given not even 20% have access to net.

 

[Anorion]

mobile internet is there, even though penetration is less compared to the whole population, the pupulation in that little penetration is not less, considering 20% and whatsapp... and twitter... things spread fast now everyone has. at least for few of these incidents police also had examples of these text messages that were said to be the root of the trouble.

 

[Desmond]

Trolls will always try to cause harm and frequency of such posts is mind boggling. You cannot persecute the whole internet and people need to realize that you cannot avenge such cases all the time. I think people need to stop feeding the trolls and learn to ignore such posts, regardless of the nature of them or the level of offensiveness.

 

[sling-shot]

Trolls will always try to cause harm and frequency of such posts is mind boggling. You cannot persecute the whole internet and people need to realize that you cannot avenge such cases all the time. I think people need to stop feeding the trolls and learn to ignore such posts, regardless of the nature of them or the level of offensiveness.

Exactly.

In this case people who take offense at every real and imaginary point are the ones at fault.

Develop some tolerance.
Autocratic behaviour is against democracy.

Why should one go and cause riot for some post on social media? If one feels the need to respond do so in the same social media not in real world.

I really really appreciate the amount of tolerance displayed by Western democracies.

 

[Desmond]

In the US, you will not be persecuted if you burn the US flag in a protest because the US constitution recognizes it as a form of "symbolic speech" and it is considered unconstitutional to persecute you since symbolic speech also comes under Freedom Of Speech.

I am not saying that something like this should be in India as well, but if people are more tolerant towards people, such riots would not happen.

What actually pisses me off is that something on the net riles up people who don't even know what they are fighting for. So few people know what the actual case for the recent Pune riots were about, yet so many people participated and destroyed public properties and put one person in to coma. Such an outburst is absolutely not justified over a few pics that some troll put up.

Hell, even Germany, once a Nazi state, is now a more tolerant society than us.

 

[Anorion]

we are all talking about at least 3 different things here.
India is not the US. Without going into whether it is better or not, at this time, free speech does not allow you to create public disturbance in India. this is not about right or wrong or moral or immoral, or what should be and should not be. this is merely the current state of the laws in India, if you create public disturbance through fb, you will get into trouble. simple. sure I agree it could be this or it could be that, but right now, it is not.
Now don't tell me people enjoy more freedom of speech in US than in India. There is no such thing like that, and no need for this comparison. Sure they may be more tolerant about burning of the flag and using it in clothing, which we don't tolerate. But they are also less tolerant of words such as retard, disabled and nigger, or hate speech, which we are not so hung up about. So there are cultural expectations everywhere.

DOT's ban pages approach to censorship is not only funny, it is applied in an inconsistent manner. If you guys have seen the banned pages, a lot of them are pretty harmless/funny.

Rampant posting of autopropoganda, inaccurate circulation of facts on fb, twitter, whatsapp and sms... leading to rumor mongering and atmosphere of doubt, or polarization. the only thing that can actually help with this apart from putting them all into jail is education.

 

[Desmond]

Rampant posting of autopropoganda, inaccurate circulation of facts on fb, twitter, whatsapp and sms... leading to rumor mongering and atmosphere of doubt, or polarization. the only thing that can actually help with this apart from putting them all into jail is education.

Something that most of the reactants lack. But even education is a joke in India. Here, education is just something you do to get a job. Not to learn, to get a job.

 

[rish1]

the only thing that can actually help with this apart from putting them all into jail is education.

so you think sending them to jail is right ? jeez

 

[sling-shot]

The system that puts people in jail for a joke and allows the people to vandalise and destroy in the name of protest perpetuates this situation.

And when those vandals learn that they can get away with anything they go looking for another issue where they can create trouble.

The way to rectify it is not to muzzle the speech but to make sure there is no disproportionate reaction or punish those who react disproportionately.

 

[Anorion]

sigh. all I wish for is that everyone who uses electronic platforms are thoroughly aware of the agreements they have agreed to and what laws do apply. this is not exhaustive list, but some starting points.

66A. Punishment for sending offensive messages through communication service, etc.

Any person who sends, by means of a computer resource or a communication device,—

(a) any information that is grossly offensive or has menacing character; or

(b) any information which he knows to be false, but for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience, danger, obstruction, insult, injury, criminal intimidation, enmity, hatred or ill will, persistently by making use of such computer resource or a communication device,

(c) any electronic mail or electronic mail message for the purpose of causing annoyance or inconvenience or to deceive or to mislead the addressee or recipient about the origin of such messages,

shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years and with fine.

and

*www.facebook.com/communitystandards

 

[sling-shot]

The wordings can be interpreted in various ways.

Eg. A journalist who was investigating a government official in Maharashtra was booked under ?Treason Act (waging war against country)

(I am not sure about the specifics of the above line but I remember reading about that incident in national newspapers)

 

[whitestar_999]

[MENTION=56202]Anorion[/MENTION],you probably don't have much experience with law/lawyers but rest assured the vague wordings(that is the main issue) of 66A allows police to arrest most of the members here who posted in those science/god/religious threads(including you) if they decide to do so.here is an example:
person A post:i don't believe in ritual xyz of religion abc because it causes traffic jams & i think such practices should not be allowed on public road.
person B post:i agree.
person C post:you dare post such message on the eve of my religion's such important ritual.just wait.
calls local political party office of his religion which then calls local MLA who in turn direct local police station to file a report under 66A for hurting religious sentiments of a section of people & being 'grossly offensive' to them.

 

[sling-shot]

[MENTION=56202]Anorion[/MENTION],you probably don't have much experience with law/lawyers but rest assured the vague wordings(that is the main issue) of 66A allows police to arrest most of the members here who posted in those science/god/religious threads(including you) if they decide to do so.here is an example:
person A post:i don't believe in ritual xyz of religion abc because it causes traffic jams & i think such practices should not be allowed on public road.
person B post:i agree.
person C post:you dare post such message on the eve of my religion's such important ritual.just wait.
calls local political party office of his religion which then calls local MLA who in turn direct local police station to file a report under 66A for hurting religious sentiments of a section of people & being 'grossly offensive' to them.

You hit the point perfectly

 

[gagan_kumar]

in my view posting of offensive stuff shouldn't be treated lightly.......

 

[Anorion]

[MENTION=56202]Anorion[/MENTION],you probably don't have much experience with law/lawyers but rest assured the vague wordings(that is the main issue) of 66A allows police to arrest most of the members here who posted in those science/god/religious threads(including you) if they decide to do so.here is an example:
person A post:i don't believe in ritual xyz of religion abc because it causes traffic jams & i think such practices should not be allowed on public road.
person B post:i agree.
person C post:you dare post such message on the eve of my religion's such important ritual.just wait.
calls local political party office of his religion which then calls local MLA who in turn direct local police station to file a report under 66A for hurting religious sentiments of a section of people & being 'grossly offensive' to them.

yes thank you. perfectly innocent and normal things can cause incidents which actually have nothing to do at all with those outraged and disturbed. It is better to be sensitive and careful, rather than blame the public when it happens.

 

[Inceptionist]

@Anorion,you probably don't have much experience with law/lawyers but rest assured the vague wordings(that is the main issue) of 66A allows police to arrest most of the members here who posted in those science/god/religious threads(including you) if they decide to do so.here is an example:
person A post:i don't believe in ritual xyz of religion abc because it causes traffic jams & i think such practices should not be allowed on public road.
person B post:i agree.
person C post:you dare post such message on the eve of my religion's such important ritual.just wait.
calls local political party office of his religion which then calls local MLA who in turn direct local police station to file a report under 66A for hurting religious sentiments of a section of people & being 'grossly offensive' to them.

You forgot about the part where MLA (or any other neta) takes bunch of goons to beat the crap out of 'offender'. Often in front of camera, no less.

 

[Anorion]

Facebook troll jailed for insults over stabbing of Leeds teacher Ann Maguire - Yorkshire Post
see its not just here, you post dumb stuff on fb you gonna get into trouble, there are other places for "freedom of speech"

 

[amjath]

Facebook troll jailed for insults over stabbing of Leeds teacher Ann Maguire - Yorkshire Post
see its not just here, you post dumb stuff on fb you gonna get into trouble, there are other places for "freedom of speech"

people don't know what freedom of speech and hate speech is. They think they are preaching things or giving feedback but they are not.

 

[Desmond]

Well, for once.

Freedom of Speech =/= Freedom to be an a*****e.

You can always move express yourselves anonymously on other platforms such as reddit.