Indians living abroad-is it really worth it?
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vish786
"The Gentleman"
well I have noticed this many times ppl often say this, each one scolding the other " THESE NORTHIES.... blah blah ", " THESE SOUTHIES.... blah blah "praka123 said:
if this continues sooner or later another pakistan gonna emerge, & dunno which one that would be.... cant ppl stop saying so when the mistake is just oriented to a SINGLE PERSON and not to a COMMUNITY/other major part of country.
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faraaz
Evil Genius
New Zealand ... kinda...they are not hated as such, but regarded as a lower class...and treated as such. But not openly, of course.
But one thing about the Europeans, they hate everyone equally!
What an equality in hating too
.. gotta learn from these guys !!
OP
abhijit_reddevil
Manchester United
Even after this, people will go abroad and stay there. This person hasn't met his mother for the last 8 yrs, even if he wanted to in this time of emergency. I do not know what joy they get staying 20000 miles away from home.
*timesofindia.indiatimes.com/US_dumps_paralysed_engineer_in_Delhi/articleshow/2846532.cms
This person hasn't met his mother for the last 8 yrs, even if he wanted to in this time of emergency. I do not know what joy they get staying 20000 miles away from home.*timesofindia.indiatimes.com/US_dumps_paralysed_engineer_in_Delhi/articleshow/2846532.cms
FilledVoid
Who stole my Alpaca!
Yeah that is just sad
. May I offer a piece of advice. Always keep 7-10 work days for emergencies and rainy days.
club_pranay
Nokia 7110 to iPhone 5
well, going through this forum, i say...
1. For most of the ppl who stay in some other country, staying abroad IS NO FUN!
2. But most of the people who are at their comfortable home, think it is!! they think ppl who go and stay as an nri, are greedy sob's. they think we just love to see our family and home 20000miles away! they live in this constant misconception that we go just for our sake. When in reality, it is not!! We dont spend our weekends at casino!! we work our @$$ off to sent a ticket back home or buy a laptop for our sisters!! and yes we do celebrate 15 aug and 26 jan, and when we do it when no one else care or give a damn to it!!!!!
3. Everyone has their own circumstances, the question of "is it worth it" is mostly YES for the one who has taken such a big decision to leave his home. and ALWAYS NO for people who are happy with their lives.
4. these people who dont respect someone's tough decisions, would never understand the reason behind our decision
5. It is not my fault if i can buy a second hand Audi($10000) after doing a part time job for just one year!!!!
praka123
left this forum longback
how about Indians(say,a couple) working in US or any other good opportunity available countries(esp west),work there for a couple of yrs,get the money as much as u can make(I meant for s/w engineers) ,return back to India after they have kids and live here in India happy securing job in India
ofcourse overseas obvious for scale of pay
ofcourse overseas obvious for scale of pay
I have not gone exactly thro' all the posts. but, IMO as dumb it might sound, its a personal choice. Some people are extremely flexible and outright and social to have a very smooth transition and immerse themselves into the western cultures without having any difficulty in switching between traditions or what not.
Some of them find this difficult and go through a period of isolation or depression. Its hard truth that people just cant change. It would be difficult for those people and would have to live with it/alter their choices.
Some of them find this difficult and go through a period of isolation or depression. Its hard truth that people just cant change. It would be difficult for those people and would have to live with it/alter their choices.
Aberforth
The Internationalist
For the Original Poster (OP), there is no specific yes/no answer to this question. It boils down to an individual, really.
I lived for 6 months in Switzerland and France as a consultant for a project, and it wasn't as bleak as your case was. Europe has a real strong transport and communication infrastructure which negated the conveyance problem that you had. I didn't buy a car during my entire stay not because I couldn't afford it, but because I didn't need to. Life is very expensive there yes, but so is the income. In overall, lifestyle there is several times better than it is back in India.
Social life largely depends on you. If you tend to be subconciously xenophobic (like a lot of Indian expats in non-diplomatic fields tend to be), then I guess you'd feel lonely. I for one, never had an issue with loneliness primarily because I could mingle well with the locals during the course of my stay and I met a wonderful French girl in Lyon who is the best thing that happened to me in my life.
If I have a choice, I'd live in Europe anytime. I'd much rather have my future children a good and secure future rather than the beaten and excessively competitive India where for every field, you are competiting with millions and the payback in the end of the effort isn't 1/20th as good as that of Europe. I'd be able to visit my home as often as I do now, Europe isn't that far off or expensive to travel anyway, if compared to the incomes.
I lived for 6 months in Switzerland and France as a consultant for a project, and it wasn't as bleak as your case was. Europe has a real strong transport and communication infrastructure which negated the conveyance problem that you had. I didn't buy a car during my entire stay not because I couldn't afford it, but because I didn't need to. Life is very expensive there yes, but so is the income. In overall, lifestyle there is several times better than it is back in India.
Social life largely depends on you. If you tend to be subconciously xenophobic (like a lot of Indian expats in non-diplomatic fields tend to be), then I guess you'd feel lonely. I for one, never had an issue with loneliness primarily because I could mingle well with the locals during the course of my stay and I met a wonderful French girl in Lyon who is the best thing that happened to me in my life.
If I have a choice, I'd live in Europe anytime. I'd much rather have my future children a good and secure future rather than the beaten and excessively competitive India where for every field, you are competiting with millions and the payback in the end of the effort isn't 1/20th as good as that of Europe. I'd be able to visit my home as often as I do now, Europe isn't that far off or expensive to travel anyway, if compared to the incomes.
faraaz
Evil Genius
^ - +1 ... Europe is fun. But be warned, if you are staying in a non metropolitan city (as in, NOT Paris, Zurich, Geneva etc) then you kind of have to know the local language. Atleast enough to have basic conversational skills if not fluency...otherwise basic tasks become very hard.
Otherwise yes, Europe is a very fun place... >.>
@Aberforth: Sprechen sie Deutsch etwas? Weil du hat fuer sechs monaten leben in der Schweiz!
Otherwise yes, Europe is a very fun place... >.>
@Aberforth: Sprechen sie Deutsch etwas? Weil du hat fuer sechs monaten leben in der Schweiz!
esumitkumar
Call me Sumit
gud point raised ..but let me tell u my frnd the stark realities :
1. children in europe/US have the right to call the police and get arrested anyone frm home even if u r just slapping ur child ! imagine this
police arresting u when u have just slapped ur own child for a minute mistake 2. we all ppl are born n brought in indian culture..so we expect our children to respect parents just as we ppl respect our parents...but culture in west is totally pathetic ...what wud u do if u have to ask ur 4 yr kid permission to enter his room ????
3. we all know s*x is not a big thing in west..u all have heard news of US teenage gals getting pregnant in 6th class etc etc ...just imagine what env ur kids will be growing ? will not they imbibing the same values ?
4. my landlord who has a son settled in oz ..was telling that his son's neighbour thr.. are a lonely couple ..no son/daughter takes care of them ..they just come on father/mother's day and give them a present,wish them and go..wat a lonely life they r facing
..wud u like dis too when u will be old ?i agree all these prblms are in india too but in a very less scale as compared to west ...
the basic thing is that we indians have a tendency that we want all the money,facilties,infra etc etc but we also want moral values, parents n relative circle etc
but only one thing is possible ..either go to US/europe ,run behind money,leave evrything here OR
earn here less , crib abt infra but be satisfied that at least u r with ur parents,ur family,ur circle , ur society ...
the basic thing is that ....BE SATISFIED whr u R ..or if not ..try to CHANGE !
Aberforth
The Internationalist
Yes, I think is the primary reasons why Indians choose Anglophone countries like US, UK, Australia and Canada over much better and comfortable countries of Europe, like France.
This is also which is why they always tend to compare India with United States, a faulty comparison considering United States is still an 'adolescent' of a country in terms of social and cultural systems. Europe is more closer to India and shares more witn Indian history and cultural values than United States.
I had no problems however, I lived the first two months in Samedan at Switzerland, which is smaller than the colony in my Goan hometown. French is widely understood and spoken apart from the local language, Romansh. Taking French in my high school helped here, with a little real world experience I got pretty good at it. I didn't stay full six months in Suisse, the last four months were is Lyon at France, which can be considered the most Swiss communes of France.
I agree. I would pick France anytime over United States, primarily because the French, although intensely nationalist, are much more open to other countries, people and culture. Very rarely one would come across a racially and nationally stuck up French as one would do in the States where informal racism is pretty much the norm even today.
Thats German I believe. Unfortunately, my German is pretty much market quality, I didn't get to come across it as much as I did French.@Aberforth: Sprechen sie Deutsch etwas? Weil du hat fuer sechs monaten leben in der Schweiz!
^ ^ very true.
but we are, you know, the so called generations who are experiencing the transition and therefore find it difficult to digest or grab the concept and live with it. Our future generations would have an answer I guess. We are confused in seeking amidst the different possibilities.
but what you told is very true.
but we are, you know, the so called generations who are experiencing the transition and therefore find it difficult to digest or grab the concept and live with it. Our future generations would have an answer I guess. We are confused in seeking amidst the different possibilities.
but what you told is very true.
ray|raven
Think Zen.
IMO, thats what matters at the end of the day.
Satisfaction. Without it , how much you have, how good the place you live in,
Doesnt really matter.
Aberforth
The Internationalist
Being 'wseternised' is much more than wearing 'western clothes', going to parties, drinking alcohol and eating out at McDonalds. Delhi and Mumbai can be really 'western' only when they have the law and order, judicial system, low crime, effcient infrastructure, 24/7 water and electricity, rich cultural blend and the lifestyle of even a mid-size European city like Lyon, Milan or Athens. Anyone with an IQ of more than 100 is well aware that this isn't happening for at least the next 30 years.
I wouldn't want my children to be like the Delhi kids of today, honestly. Neither like Americans for that matter. There isn't much difference between the two, except that Delhites look up to and apes United States superficially.
Thats a brilliant opinion you have of 'the west', as good as Americans who think Indians drink cow's urine when they fall ill, wear turbans to work and "most Indian Hindus are Muslims". Mistaking Europe for United States is as good as mistaking Iran for India. Both are 'east' so they must be same eh?Indians will ditch their "Matha Pitha Gurur Daivam" and follow western materialistic culture soon.
In today's India, parents and teachers are far more greedy than Europeans. Indian parents compete their kids with those of others, just for 'social status' ignoring the reality that their child might have different temperament than those of other kids. India is among the few countries in the world where children kill themselves because they can't meet their parent's sky high expectations and academic pressure. Similar is with teachers. They are more concerned about school ratings/ popularity as a good tutor rather than teaching children effectively in schools and colleges. Why is it that our educational quality is so low compared to Europe? Why do you think that we have a literacy rate that competes with mid-size African countries? European children have more to respect their teachers and parents for, compared to Indian parents.
Thats a generalisation, of course there are exceptions where we have honest and good parents and teachers in India. But they are exceptions, few and far between.
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faraaz
Evil Genius
Thats a brilliant opinion you have of 'the west', as good as Americans who think Indians drink cow's urine when they fall ill, wear turbans to work and "most Indian Hindus are Muslims". Mistaking Europe for United States is as good as mistaking Iran for India. Both are 'east' so they must be same eh?
In today's India, parents and teachers are far more greedy than Europeans. Indian parents compete their kids with those of others, just for 'social status' ignoring the reality that their child might have different temperament than those of other kids. India is among the few countries in the world where children kill themselves because they can't meet their parent's sky high expectations and academic pressure. Similar is with teachers. They are more concerned about school ratings/ popularity as a good tutor rather than teaching children effectively in schools and colleges. Why is it that our educational quality is so low compared to Europe? Why do you think that we have a literacy rate that competes with mid-size African countries? European children have more to respect their teachers and parents for, compared to Indian parents.
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Aberforth
The Internationalist
Thank you very much. Maybe you should consider voting for me as your next PM. Although I doubt it would help, there are too many problems in India, like complacency in policies that can't be solved by 'clean politics' alone.This post auto-wins this thread!
Thank you very much for the compliment.
A lot of us Indians don't tend to heed these because they haven't really been able to experience first hand what an efficient infrastructure and civilised society means. We have learn to accept dowry killings, police harassment, VIP culture, nepotism, bribery, social double standards, crumbling infrastructure and lack of justice as a normal pheomenon. An Indian today is happy with a 256 or 512 kbps 'unlimited' connection when such a service would be an outrageous scandal even in the poorest European country. We are happy that "Windows XP" and "Windows Vista" have no interface for any Indian languages, which if happened in Europe would have meants a huge 'anti-trust' or similar fine on Microsoft. When we buy a car, we have to pay twice as much as Europeans despite an income that is 1/20th of Europeans. Same applies for petrol and other lifestyle goods.
That is where "NRI Nationalism" comes in. They experience life in a first world country,which makes them understand what an ocean India needs to cross to pick up to their level. Unfortunately a lot of superficial Indians believe that being sexually promiscous, wearing western clothes, shopping in malls, flashing their accessories, faking a 'duty free' accent and watching Hollywood movies makes them more 'westernised'.
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