snap said:
indian sentiments?? or more likely hindu sentiments, a masjid built hundreds of years before the formation of india was destroyed after the independence. by your recent post it feels like you are actually threatened by the minorities
In its orginal definition Hindu=India, a word coined by persians who couldn't speak Sindhu properly and called people beyond Sindhu has Hindu and hence the word Hindustan! The word Hindu is geographic and later disorted to some "religious connotations". Therefore, any person living in India no matter how he is tagged as be it Muslims, Christian etc is a Hindu.
Regarding the linguistic distortions you should read this brilliant piece of analysis -> www.ece.lsu.edu/kak/zoro.pdf
You should read SC judgement on the term "HIndu" itself.
Yes, you can say that I feel threatened, but try to read Quran yourself as much as possible and you shall find the evils of the desert cult that started 1400 yrs ago. Even the texts of Avesta were destroyed by Islamic invaders! You can voice yourself and create beautiful idols in this Nation and say things against so called Hindu Gods. I won't be disturbed, but try doing that to Allah and MOhammed or the Islamic leaders or the rulers, create idols or whatever creativity comes to your mind in lands ruled by Sharia and you just might understand. Perhaps you cannot empathize the situation and do not know the reality that is surfacing in parts like Kashmir, Kerela, West bengal, Assam etc. Perhaps you do not know that Afghanistan (Up-gaan-stan, land of divine songs, gandharva) was also once a land of creativity and science just like the land of Ahura Mazda, place associated with Zoroastrianism.
The basic Aim of Islam remains is to Islamize the whole world irrespective of the boundaries, 'awaken the non-believers' and finally achieve peace. Read about Judgement Day, heaven and hell in Islam, the fate of non-believers and women prisoners. But if you are muslim, then I guess you already know all that.
"We must remember that the Avesta as it has come down to the modern Zoroastrian world is but a collection of fragments and texts preserved from a far greater whole. Zoroastrianism has suffered greatly from the destruction of its texts. First, in the conflagration set by Alexander the invader in 330 B.C. which destroyed the library at Persepolis, and later by invading Muslims/Arabs and then by Mongols."
*www.persiandna.com/avesta.htm
Like I told rhitwick, read history as much as possible. It has been debated before. You seem to be new to the forum. So please read "Science Vs God" discussion. "Decololization of Hindu Mind by Koenraad Elst" would also suffice.
rhitwick said:
Uh it is thus.
As per you if any riot, or administrative failure happened under the rule of Congress and that is a failure of Congress, applying the same rule any and all mishaps happened under the rule of BJP is a failure of BJP.
I hope now you understand.
There is a difference between genocide and riots. Modi, the accused, has been given clean chit on it (2002), and Congress not (1984)! 2002 was a riot, 1984 was not. It was a state sponsored genocide where Rajiv Gandhi stated "When a great tree falls, earth will shake". I hope this simple English is clear to you.
rhitwick said:
You accused why Indian Govt. does not invest entire black money? Right now Indian Govt. is run by Congress and hence indirectly you are pointing to Congress.
I'm seriously tired of spoonfeeding you these things.
I don't know why it is destroying your peace when I point towards Congress. I'm simply asking about the black money, not of about "who" that money belongs to, where you have forcefully inserted BJP/COngress accounts to it!
The Onus is on COngress right now, if it had been BJP onus would on BJP then. It is as simple. If you can't swallow the reality, then tell Khangress to disappear!
rhitwick said:
I, rather answering to you here (which would be mocked by you) ask you a question.
I guess you've already figured out how black money can be brought to India, may I have the detailed plan here. Please don't evade this any mockery or attacks. Either you say how exactly black money can be brought to India or you never raise this topic again.
I can't mock you for you belong to the service of Royal Prince, the Amul Baby. But you remind me of Renuka Chaudhary here who when questioned about terrorism and corruption replies back with Saas-Bahu kind of mannerism "Does BJP has a magic wand to solve all this?"
Anyways, you were supposed to list the "internationl laws" which could stop India from fetching her money back.
rhitwick said:
And then what about this?
Governor returns Gujarat Lokayukta Bill again - Indian Express
Your expert opinion on Gujrat Govt.'s proposed bill?!
So what if the governor returns? Read -> *www.niticentral.com/2013/09/03/con...locks-for-gujarats-lokayukta-bill-127989.html
*www.niticentral.com/2013/08/08/meh...r-lokayukta-civil-rights-activist-116112.html
It will be discussed and till then give it the time.
rhitiwck said:
PLease read ->
A response to those who support FDI in Retail | Friends of BJP
I read that. Though a link of a BJP oriented site, IDK how to believe there.
So, according to site BJP thought of giving Education and building national highway higher priority that FDI bill. Sure why not. But its a bill that BJP proposed. So what were they thinking when the bill was in formation or they suddenly realised road and education are also required in India.
Same bill is now reintroduced and passed. I see only politics in opposing it. Nothing else.
Rhitwick, I really don't like to give lectures and points on comprehension skills again and again. Please read the link a bit more carefully.
Anyways, you lost my interest in your post now for more than half of my replies remain unanswered and I was hoping you'd put up some show. You are a nice guy and I don't seek entertainment from you. You win man, I lose!
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@Raaabo - You seem to have generalized too much. I can sense a little bit of frustration in your post which is obvious. I can also be frustrated with human kind with their behavior today, low morales and respect towards other beings, women etc. Should I say all humans are like filth? That would include your father, my father and everyone's father. Similarly, generalizing on politicians is not really wise IMO. Some have become politicians to serve, some to tackle corruption, some to cause corruption and earn the illegal way. Perhaps, you missed my very first post.
I have seen the reality you have mentioned and hence the reason, the discussion why Janlokpal, isolating Govt. from CBI and many other measures to reduce corruption are necessary. This why discussion takes place and hence politics and political parties, lesser of the evils, who did what will be discussed. Since you are talking about ground work, here how it goes -
Reality 1
E.g The Congress leader in my area doesn't really do anything. But during elections he gives favours to the poor like Ration cards, subsidised commodities, resolving problems in their area and voila, you've got votes!
Reality 2
If it is independent leader, even if he does good work, the chances are high going by the track record of Congress that he will be bought by COngress for a few crores. It happens all the time!
Reality 3
*www.niticentral.com/2013/08/15/mas...-delhi-13-lakh-bogus-voters-found-119260.html
Many people don't vote. Do we really understand where the a major percentage of votes come from? What right do we have to whine about the nation, if we don't vote. So request everyone to vote! If people do not know whom to vote, then research. If still no answer, then see at the national level with factors like - Which state grew the most, which leader is the most popular, which leaders "knows" India etc.
Reality 4
I don't know if you are aware of illegal bangladeshi settlements in Delhi which was notified by Advani more than 10 years back and a security threat by the intelligence. There are not much checks on the Bangladeshi immigration etc. These Bangladeshi are given citizenships or ration cards or shelter etc in return of their promise for votes by parties like Left and Congress. BJP is against this, but if discussed, the debate will take religious angle and paid media will accuse BJP of being communal.
Even if I go as per your recommendation - "Look at what they have done for you in your locality, approach them with suggestions for improvement, and then vote for the party who seems to care the most about you - is my suggestion. " .....then what is the guarantee that in the end, they won't opt for Congress or bought by Congress? Is that leader really representing my voice?
Yes, I'm not really pro-military rule, but our system is not really democratic or secular either for secularism promotes science and not 'organized doctrines' which would interfere in the working of the state.
Try to research yourself on the series of professional steps taken by Modi during Uttarakhand floods and this is what I call effective utilization of resources. There is a reason why many people from within do not want Modi. It is simply because he is not a politician in the traditional sense or as per common usage of the term, but an administrator!
So I don't really agree with your suggestion and I do not agree at all with your statement - "If you sit and argue over who's clean, you only throw muck on yourself."
There's an overwhelming support of Modi growing everyday, esp. amongst netizens from the days when I was called as communal for supporting Modi to this day where it has become a fashion to support him. A rumour spreads like a wild fire, but so does the truth and when the people acknowledge of what they percieved earlier was wrong, they start listening slowly but steadily. Today, I see a lot of people who were pro-Congress some 10 years back actively vouching for Modi and exposing Congress all the time. It is one of the components of herd mentality where a rumour can change the path of the herd instinct but so can the truth. I'm not here to discuss who's clean, but the truth alone!
Like I said before, the best marketing for Modi is being done by the critics themselves. The more they try to pull him down, the higher he goes.
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For all the people who have some misconceptions about the word Hindu or Hindutva should do some serious digging of their own or read the Supreme Court judgement of 1995
SupremeCourt said:
The court came to the conclusion that the words "Hinduism" or "Hindutva" are not necessarily to be understood and construed narrowly, confined only to the strict Hindu religious practices unrelated to the culture and ethos of the People of India depicting the way of life of the Indian people. Unless the context of a speech indicates a contrary meaning or use, in the abstract, these terms are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people. Unless the context of a speech indicates a contrary meaning or use, in the abstract, these terms are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people and are not confined merely to describe persons practicing the Hindu religion as a faith" (Emphasis supplied). This clearly means that, by itself, the word "Hinduism" or "Hindutva" indicates the culture of the people of India as a whole, irrespective of whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews etc. The Supreme Court Bench has further observed that "the mere fact that these words (Hindutva or Hinduism) are used in the speech would not bring in within the prohibition of sub-section (3) or (3A) of Section 123. It may well be that these words are used in the speech to promote secularism and to emphasize the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticize the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant. Whether a particular speech in which a reference is made to Hindutva and or Hinduism falls within the prohibition under sub-section (3) or (3A) of Section 123 is therefore a question of fact in each case" (Emphasis supplied).
Further, a debunking of those who think Hindutva or supporting India and her history associates with communalism,
A must read -> *www.vedantatoday.com/index.php/-the-myth-of-the-hindu-right
