Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[asingh]

I mentioned this before: For CPUs

1. Lots of money: i7.
2. Medium money: i5 or P45 with Quad or High end AMD.
3. low money: upgrade to next best processor for your socket.

(2) is where most of the queries come for. So we have to play the devils advocate and tell them about all the options.

Also remember the P55 is just an upgrade to the P45. Intel is marketing it like a totally brand new platform which is actually the X58.

P55 does offer DDR3 -- but at dual channel, so do some of the Quad sockets.

But yes the P55 removes the north bridge with DMI, though that is no way as fast as the QPI. Its best to remove the marketing layers and see the bare-boned product.

 

[furious_gamer]

@asigh

Well said asigh. Its been clear the Intel just rip off ourself by having some naming conventions and some tricks...

 

[damngoodman999]

I mentioned this before: For CPUs

1. Lots of money: i7.
2. Medium money: i5 or P45 with Quad or High end AMD.
3. low money: upgrade to next best processor for your socket.

(2) is where most of the queries come for. So we have to play the devils advocate and tell them about all the options.

Also remember the P55 is just an upgrade to the P45. Intel is marketing it like a totally brand new platform which is actually the X58.

P55 does offer DDR3 -- but at dual channel, so do some of the Quad sockets.

But yes the P55 removes the north bridge with DMI, though that is no way as fast as the QPI. Its best to remove the marketing layers and see the bare-boned product.

Thats y intel is top in the marketing their products , AMD is worst in Indian marketing

Still Q9550 is OC's better than corei5 750

 

[static_x]

@asigh...
well said man...i agree

 

[sundar07]

Thank you very much friends !!
now....
Intel core i5 750
Gigabyte P55 UD2M(any other mobo u guys recommended like asus or intel??)
Corsair xms3 1333 MHz (2x2GB)
WD caviar blue 500 GB
Corsair VX450 450W
zebronics bijli
Palit GTS250

 

[asingh]

^ change your cabinet. get at least an antec 330. Such good equipment -- get a cabinet to compliment it...!

 

[hell_storm2006]

The thing with AMD is that is provides a better upgrade path! C2Q mobo's will be useless in some time. So i5 is always better for Intel. Otherwise the AMD 940BE is always a better option.

Please no to HD4350 crossfire. It wouldn't even cross 9600GT in performance!

@sundar07: No to Asus and Intel mobos both. Better go with GSkill DDR3 1666MHz RAM's. Anything less than that is just marginally better than DDR2. Change the cabby to preferably CM690 if budget permits and if not the CM Elite 335. And if you have something to spare get GTX260 Core 216 or HD4870.

 

[sundar07]

antec 330
GSkill DDR3 1666MHz RAM
GTX260 Core 216 or HD4870
CM690

price list please !

 

[asingh]

The thing with AMD is that is provides a better upgrade path! C2Q mobo's will be useless in some time. So i5 is always better for Intel. Otherwise the AMD 940BE is always a better option.

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We are again back to what I was talking out.

How can you say they will be completed useless. Till date today people are using old Pentium 4. I am sure the C2Ds are still the highest selling in India. Stuff like E7400 etc.

As long as a CPU is being sold, the motherboard will continue to sell. C2Qs are powerful machines. Think of it like this...at least for India where people do not have so much disposable cash and and IT hardware is overpriced.

It would be something like this:

1. Existent C2Q Users ----> Upgrade to i5s/i7s (P55 chipset or X58 Chipset) - Low % of population. Say 10%
2. Existent C2D Users ----> Upgrade to i5s/i7s (P55 chipset or X58 Chipset) - - Low % of population. Say 10%
3. Existent C2D Users ----> Upgrade to C2Q (P45 or related chipset) - - Mid % of population. Say 20%
4. Existent P4 Users ----> Upgrade to C2D (P45 or related chipset) - - Mid % of population. Say 20%
5. Existent P4 Users ----> Upgrade to i5s/i7s (P55 chipset or X58 Chipset) - - Low % of population. Say 5%
6. Existent i7 Users ---> Upgrade to the upcoming i9 chipset. - - Very low % of population. Say 2% (These guys are very rich)
7. New Purchases ---> i7( x58 ) - Very Low % population. 2%
8. New Purchases ---> i5(P55) - Low % population. 5%
9. New Purchases ---> P45 and related chipset - Mid population. 5%
10. AMD ---------> Captive 15%

This sums to approximate ~94% of the bottom pool. Leaving the rest 6% undecided, but will purchase soon.

Population = Existent users + future purchases

The above I did off the top of my head. Just rough ball park figures. Am sure Intel has done research for the same. Seeing the spending power in India. And no ways will the i7/i5 prices come down so low that 'average' users will go and purchase them. LGA775 will not die out -- believe me in India. There are aplenty P4 and C2D users out there, never will they go for i5s and i7s. C2Q or high C2Ds are the obvious choice.

 

[spikygv]

AMD : Phenom II X4 920 B.E @ 9.5k + ASUS/Gigabyte 790GX Mobo @ 9k
Intel : Q9550 @ 9.5k / Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R @ 8.2k
2x2GB DDR2 @ 2.6k
Corsair VX450W @ 3.7k
Seagate 1TB @ 4.1k
Palit GTS250 @ 7.4k
Cabinet of your Choice

q9550 at 9.5k ? where ?

 

[Krow]

Q9550 is costlier and performs lesser and is an outdated chipset. Hence I would recommend i5 to all Intel Quad boys.

 

[spikygv]

^^ but mobo and ram are costly with i5 / i7.as far as games go , most mid range cards ( < 10k ) will perform equally on both. .i5 isnt a great option for upgrades too. .the continuation of 1156 is in doubt as well. .

 

[asingh]

Q9550 is costlier and performs lesser and is an outdated chipset. Hence I would recommend i5 to all Intel Quad boys.

I give up.

Go ahead ..from now on we will only recommend AMD or >= i5.

 

[furious_gamer]

q9550 at 9.5k ? where ?

Oops.. its a typo.. Its Q9400's price.. Q9550 is 11.5k...

Q9550 is costlier and performs lesser and is an outdated chipset. Hence I would recommend i5 to all Intel Quad boys.

Boy, just see the link posted by asigh. Then you wont stand with your words.. Q9550 and i5 performs neck-to-neck and in Power Consumption the C2Q hands up. So please read the review before you post here...

 

[damngoodman999]

Q9550 is costlier and performs lesser and is an outdated chipset. Hence I would recommend i5 to all Intel Quad boys.

Buddy , u r far too confident with the corei5 it may be latest but the performance Q9550 is matches every counts to corei5 750 , those who want DDR3 can go for corei5 & who wants DDR2 then Q9550 .

 

[asingh]

+ 1

Also read the 'population' wise spread which I have mentioned. It should ideally follow that trend..approximate.

 

[Krow]

Okay guys, I did read that review. My point is that in both the real world app test categories, core i5 beat the Q9550, right? It is also cheaper by 1k. So I would recommend it to NEW rig buyers, something I didn't post before.

Upgraders, of course it does not make sense buying the core i5. DDR2 is outgoing and hence for those investing so much in a new rig anyway, I think it would be better to go for DDR3 now than face an upgrade crisis later.

 

[spikygv]

core i5 is hardly a good choice for those who want to upgrade.
If upgradability is the criteria , then am3 makes more sense.

Right now, DDR2 is cheaper ( in india ).Good p43 mobo's cost 4-5k. gigabyte p55 costs 7k. thereby , core i5 setup will cost about 3-4k more than C2Q setup. As far as gaming with a mid-end gpu goes, the proccy's make no difference.

So for budget gaming setups , a C2Q + better gpu is a wiser choice than i5 + cheaper GPU.

 

[desiibond]

guys,

now, check this:

*www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/page7.html

techspot did a winrar compression of 720p HD file and core i5 took some 43 minutes and Q9650 took whopping 68 minutes.

This is another real world benchmark:

*www.trustedreviews.com/cpu-memory/review/2009/09/08/Intel-Core-i7-870---Core-i5-750/p8

also, when Turbo is enabled, Core i5 750 will have a definite advantage over C2Q. And it definitely does well in gaming.

 

[asingh]

guys,

now, check this:

*www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/page7.html

techspot did a winrar compression of 720p HD file and core i5 took some 43 minutes and Q9650 took whopping 68 minutes.

This is another real world benchmark:

*www.trustedreviews.com/cpu-memory/review/2009/09/08/Intel-Core-i7-870---Core-i5-750/p8

also, when Turbo is enabled, Core i5 750 will have a definite advantage over C2Q. And it definitely does well in gaming.

Hey...Desibond, thanks for sharing this. Now this review makes the i5 look really kick a**. The ones I posted, made it look quite similiar to the Quads. I guess once we get some i5 users here we will get clarity. Yea depending on the budget we can list out the setups to the users, and mention the links for review. We can guide them to make a decision....not make the decision for them.