Agni-V, India's first ICBM test-fired successfully

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ajaymailed

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some news about future tests and canister

The Hindu : News / National : Agni-V trials in final configuration to begin early next year

The first of the six flight trials of India' longest range ballistic missile, Agni-V, in its final quick-reaction configuration, providing a canister-launch capability, will be held in early 2013.

Mr. Chander said the DRDO had set up a facility for “missile ejection tests” at Shamirpet near Hyderabad, for carrying out a canister-launch simulation by placing a dummy missile. The first road mobile launcher being produced by the private industry would be ready next month and the missile ejections tests would begin from June.

With the Agni-V missile scheduled to be inducted into the Army in the next few years, he said, six flight tests, including three pre-induction trials, would be conducted.

Good thing about this test is the reaction from western countries, especially with US being almost silent. Its was quite different in 90s when US put lot of pressure to stop the same Agni missile program.
 
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Tech.Masti

Wise Old Owl
China is way ahead of India in any department, say missile, or air power, Navy, Army.... anything.... just search Wikipedia about Chinese army , and you can understand, india is nowhere near China.....


you may also read sometimes ago, General VK singh said in private note, if in this moment any war stars , india has stocks for 4 days of war only....
 

ajaymailed

In the zone
www.nti.org/media/pdfs/india_missile.pdf?_=1316466791
a very good read on detailed timeline of Indias missile & Space program even though its a pro-non proliferation wesbsite.

China is way ahead of India in any department, say missile, or air power, Navy, Army.... anything.... just search Wikipedia about Chinese army , and you can understand, india is nowhere near China.....
thats kind of the reason why Agni-V was developed and why we buy so many arms.
 

101gamzer

Ambassador of Buzz
2.> missile defense is pretty effective, read nightmare's post, also take example from the 1991 iraq war, iraq fired lots of scud missile to israel, and probably 80% of those incoming missiles were shot down by patriot missiles.

conclusion > nukes & long range ballistic missiles are not exactly conventional fighting tools. it's like a pike-man facing a swordsman. no matter how heavily armored a swordsman is, he will think twice before engaging a pikeman. its a tool of global political warfare. :-D

Every weapons of israel is coming from USA but it is interesting to see US did not give its fifth generation F22 Raptor to israel :lol:
BTW India also have developed Interceptor missile
 
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pranav0091

I am not an Owl
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Not true. Israel is quite a phenomenon in the weapons manufacture world. They may not have the abilities to build a fighter on their own, but they are real good in the small fire arms section. There was a show on discovery that I used to watch- future weapons- and boy! the israelis had some good firearms... And yeah the US is not really willing to sell its 5th gen aircraft to anyone :D

And yes we do have an active missile defense program.
 

Faun

Wahahaha~!
Staff member
Instead of missiles cant they Improve the Indian Armor,Tanks,Esp the Fighter Planes

Already work going on for reactive armor for tanks and SUkhoi 30MKI is another example.

China is way ahead of India in any department, say missile, or air power, Navy, Army.... anything.... just search Wikipedia about Chinese army , and you can understand, india is nowhere near China.....
That's why weapons of deterrence are of importance because standing against Chinese army is against the odds in numbers.
 

theserpent

Firecracker to the moon
Whatever happens.I dont want any wars.I want peace.Hope china doesnt attack India.Due to the threat of the missiles
 

ajaymailed

In the zone
Whatever happens.I dont want any wars.I want peace.Hope china doesnt attack India.Due to the threat of the missiles
if anything, Agni V is only going to help stable Indo-China relations. achieving minimum deterrence means even less possibility of conflict. Media might have blown it out proportions, but these mind & political games will continue in future. Truth to be told, Agni-V will be much lesser of their worries, compared to their major foe, the United States & Allies in the region. Chinese dislike closer Indo-US relations than Agni-V. They would have figured out long ago that India would come out with a missile like A5 some or the other day but they may not have expected the present level Indo-US relations. China was probably hoping that US pressure will continue on Indias missile program.

China is way ahead of India in any department, say missile, or air power, Navy, Army.... anything.... just search Wikipedia about Chinese army , and you can understand, india is nowhere near China.....


you may also read sometimes ago, General VK singh said in private note, if in this moment any war stars , india has stocks for 4 days of war only....
I don't want to offtopic again but situation vis-a-vis Chinese is not all that bad. Even though India imports lots of arms, we have few very capable platforms , some of which outperform anything chinese have. Su-30MKI is one example, MMRCA, PAK-FA etc. Chinese do have few weak areas because they sacrificed performance gains for sake of indigenous capabilities even if its through reverse engineering

India cut Agni V range from 9000 km to 5000 km under NATO pressure: Chinese media - The Economic Times
the chinese provoking us to show the real capabilities of Agni-V but that aint gonna happen. Surely India is not going to test Agni-V with its full range. Agni-V is not an ICBM as far as India is concerned but a long range ballistic missile, but it can be if she intends to.
 
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summers

Journeyman
India cut Agni V range from 9000 km to 5000 km under NATO pressure: Chinese media - The Economic Times
the chinese provoking us to show the real capabilities of Agni-V but that aint gonna happen. Surely India is not going to test Agni-V with its full range. Agni-V is not an ICBM as far as India is concerned but a long range ballistic missile, but it can be if she intends to.

Sorry buddy, u r wrong in particular in your last paragraph. Though Agni V is not qualifying the distance criteria for ICBMs, but its still classified as an ICBM as per DRDO because it is satisfying all other specs of an ICBM. As far as Agni V is concerned, it can also traverse more than 5000 KM with nuclear payloads, but initial simulations and testing was done only for 5000 KM.
 

ajaymailed

In the zone
Sorry buddy, u r wrong in particular in your last paragraph. Though Agni V is not qualifying the distance criteria for ICBMs, but its still classified as an ICBM as per DRDO because it is satisfying all other specs of an ICBM. As far as Agni V is concerned, it can also traverse more than 5000 KM with nuclear payloads, but initial simulations and testing was done only for 5000 KM.
Agni-V is an not an ICBM officially, Government calls it Long Range Ballistic missile
Press Information Bureau English Releases
AGNI-V Success A Great Moment for Indian Scientific Community: Antony
The Defence Minister Shri AK Antony today described the maiden test flight of Long Range Ballistic Missile (LRBM) Agni-V as a great moment for India and its scientific community. Shri Antony spoke to DRDO chief Dr VK Saraswat and Project Director Shri Avinash Chander immediately after the event and congratulated the entire team for the immaculate success.

Shri Antony said today’s achievement is a major milestone in the country’s Missile Programme and it reminds us of the untiring efforts of numerous unsung scientists of DRDO who have worked relentlessly years together to bring the nation to this threshold. Shri Antony also spoke to former DRDO chief Mr M. Natarajan and fondly remembered his contribution to various projects of the organisation.

check out the drdo press release, no mention the word ICBM.
DRDO Press Release
ofcoz DRDO will state they can increase the range further depending on political requirements.

5000km is deliberate political range. The problem is there are some out there gunning to prove India with aggressive intentions to develop ICBMs, denying opportunity for hi-technology access India. Thats the reason ISRO stays away from anything military . Its the same reason Agni-V is just a 5000km missile and will continue to be. Despite having potential resources to come up with an ICBM many years ago, India just faced much of US pressure. One of reason MTCR came up was to deny India access to technologies critical for launch vehicles and ballistic & cruise missiles.

India has been battling pro-NPT activists always there to deny the transfer of technology related to dual civil-military usage. Testing for 5000km was smart move, proves to china, doesn't alarm the west.

nuclear deal, access to NSG, US lifting sanctions against ISRO & DRDO Labs are part of battle that is going between India & Pro-NPT Gang. Its ironic that India now desires membership in MTCR, Missile Technology Control Regime, the same thing which was started to deny India with advanced technologies required to build missiles like Agni-V.
India pitches for membership of global non-proliferation regimes - Times Of India
this is the reason Government will never use the I-word officially even though everyone knows about potential capabilities.
 

summers

Journeyman
Agni-V is an not an ICBM officially, Government calls it Long Range Ballistic missile
Press Information Bureau English Releases


check out the drdo press release, no mention the word ICBM.
DRDO Press Release
ofcoz DRDO will state they can increase the range further depending on political requirements.

5000km is deliberate political range. The problem is there are some out there gunning to prove India with aggressive intentions to develop ICBMs, denying opportunity for hi-technology access India. Thats the reason ISRO stays away from anything military . Its the same reason Agni-V is just a 5000km missile and will continue to be. Despite having potential resources to come up with an ICBM many years ago, India just faced much of US pressure. One of reason MTCR came up was to deny India access to technologies critical for launch vehicles and ballistic & cruise missiles.

India has been battling pro-NPT activists always there to deny the transfer of technology related to dual civil-military usage. Testing for 5000km was smart move, proves to china, doesn't alarm the west.

nuclear deal, access to NSG, US lifting sanctions against ISRO & DRDO Labs are part of battle that is going between India & Pro-NPT Gang. Its ironic that India now desires membership in MTCR, Missile Technology Control Regime, the same thing which was started to deny India with advanced technologies required to build missiles like Agni-V.
India pitches for membership of global non-proliferation regimes - Times Of India
this is the reason Government will never use the I-word officially even though everyone knows about potential capabilities.

Though the official media release from both Govt. and DRDO says that Agni-V is a long range range ballistic missile, but the whole world knows it as an ICBM. The Wikipedia classifies it as an ICBM. Moreover, what is of utmost importance is the fact that the test fire was of more than 5000 KM.

*articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.c...i-v-mirv-payload-targetable-re-entry-vehicles

*www.ndtv.com/article/india/agni-v-indias-first-icbm-successfully-test-fired-199344

*www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3330921.ece

And as i've already said earlier, it qualifies the criteria for ICBM's in all other specs except for minimum distance; its a move by Govt. of keeping it a bit short in one single criteria just to avoid unnecessary ears from all around the world thereby keeping it focused towards China.

And as you say that Agni-V is not an ICBM, then why does its test fire has created so much hustle bustle in the entire world with India joining the elite ICBM club...........??
 
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NIGHTMARE

ANGEL OF DEATH
you are comparing multi barrel rocket launchers with ballistic & cruise missiles.just so you know intercepting such rocket attacks is relatively very easy & technology is there for at least a decade now i think.why do you think USA's defense shield program is criticized in senate if it is so successful?reason being that USA military had a hard time convincing senators about creating a system after spending almost $10 billion which can only be effectively used against 2-3 missile attack by rouge nations/actors but of no use against nations like China & Russia.spyder defense system is an anti-aircraft missile system not to be used against ballistic missiles.laws of physics makes it very hard to intercept even 1 ICBM let alone successfully stop a simultaneous attack of 5-6 ICBM's & more.unless someone develop a quantum computer which can calculate trillions of calculations in fraction of a second it is not possible to design a guidance system which can simultaneously track & intercept large no. of incoming ballistic missiles.

Nope I'm not comparing any defense system with another. Just giving proof and putting my view of point about every thing is not perfect they required quality of time to get mature with the support of failures. I know the what is Spyder and Arrow defense system. After reading the our conversation I think we got confused I was talking something as you were on ICBM.:cool:


As I mentioned earlier things need time. Lets have a quick check on how accurate are Chin Missiles.

DF-5/5A--183 ton weight--12000-15000Km range--CEP of 1km to 3.5km.
DF-4--82 ton weight-------4760km range---------CEP of 1.2km.
DF-21----15 ton weight----1500-2500Km range----CEP of 300m to 500m.
DF-3A----62 ton weight----2800-3000km range----CEP of 1km to 500m.

As one can see most of the missiles are Heavy, and are highly inaccurate with CEP of about 1km to 3km.... only latest variants of DF-21 and DF-31 are supposed to be having CEPs in the range of 200m-500m while none of the Indian missiles have a CEP of more than 50m...besides being lighter and having solid fuel which makes them suitable for prolonged storage and quick launch at a short notice while Chin missiles need to fuel with liquid propellants for two hours before its launched.. only recently have Chin developed solid fueled missiles like DF-21 and DF-31 which are not as high in numbers as compared to their liquid fueled ones which hold the bulk of their strategic Rocket force arsenal


*img707.imageshack.us/img707/5492/df5launchpad.jpg


Have a look at this missile take 2 hour to be filled with its liquid fuel and and weights 200+tons... and a CEP of 3.5-4km. It has missed its flight paths by 800m while in boost phase and have fell 1000km before the target. Such a disgrace to ICBM community and certainly a Propaganda fail.



Sorry buddy, u r wrong in particular in your last paragraph. Though Agni V is not qualifying the distance criteria for ICBMs, but its still classified as an ICBM as per DRDO because it is satisfying all other specs of an ICBM. As far as Agni V is concerned, it can also traverse more than 5000 KM with nuclear payloads, but initial simulations and testing was done only for 5000 KM.

Though the official media release from both Govt. and DRDO says that Agni-V is a long range range ballistic missile, but the whole world knows it as an ICBM. The Wikipedia classifies it as an ICBM. Moreover, what is of utmost importance is the fact that the test fire was of more than 5000 KM.

Agni-V, India's first ICBM test-fired successfully - Times Of India

Agni V, India's first ICBM, successfully test-fired

The Hindu : News / National : Agni-V propels India into elite ICBM club

And as i've already said earlier, it qualifies the criteria for ICBM's in all other specs except for minimum distance; its a move by Govt. of keeping it a bit short in one single criteria just to avoid unnecessary ears from all around the world thereby keeping it focused towards China.

And as you say that Agni-V is not an ICBM, then why does its test fire has created so much hustle bustle in the entire world with India joining the elite ICBM club...........??

Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile---------ICBM.

It means, a missile launched from one continent having the ability to strike targets in a different continent.

Even if official range of 5500km is taken into account with official 1500kg throw weight, A-V reaches European continent and Australia and most parts of Africa.

And when the UN-official range with reduced payload but with a 300kt nuke is considered, it will reach all continents except Americas.


Agni 5 is canistered and is actually one of the lighter missiles in its class.

Agni 5 guidance system consists of ring laser gyro-INS (inertial navigation system), optionally augmented by GPS terminal guidance with radar scene correlation that results in a CEP measured in yards! However, remember that it carries a strategic nuclear (15 KT to 250 KT) warhead, or fuel air explosives (FAE).

Also, once the MIRVs are tested on the Agni, each warhead will be guided to its target independently with its own intrinsic guidance system.

But does not means it not mobilizable, It can be launched from an 8 x 8 Tatra TELAR (Transporter erector launcher), and a Rail Mobile Launcher apart from static silos.
 

ajaymailed

In the zone
Agni 5 guidance system consists of ring laser gyro-INS (inertial navigation system), optionally augmented by GPS terminal guidance with radar scene correlation that results in a CEP measured in yards! However, remember that it carries a strategic nuclear (15 KT to 250 KT) warhead, or fuel air explosives (FAE).
Radar Scene Correlation, Fuel Air Explosives, GPS Terminal Guidance? where you did find this information.

Though the official media release from both Govt. and DRDO says that Agni-V is a long range range ballistic missile, but the whole world knows it as an ICBM. The Wikipedia classifies it as an ICBM. Moreover, what is of utmost importance is the fact that the test fire was of more than 5000 KM.

*articles.timesofindia.indiati...entry-vehicles

Agni V, India's first ICBM, successfully test-fired

*www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle3330921.ece

And as i've already said earlier, it qualifies the criteria for ICBM's in all other specs except for minimum distance; its a move by Govt. of keeping it a bit short in one single criteria just to avoid unnecessary ears from all around the world thereby keeping it focused towards China.

And as you say that Agni-V is not an ICBM, then why does its test fire has created so much hustle bustle in the entire world with India joining the elite ICBM club...........??
I wasn't exactly focusing on Agni-Vs potential capabilities, but the reason we avoid calling it "ICBM". Media can call it lot of things but its ultimately left for other countries to deduce what Agni V is really capable. what matters is the posture India has taken and India's intentions by testing this missile 5000km away.

some chinese expert called its actual range is around 8000km. Something which apparently we already know. When Saraswat stated Agni-V can launch very small satellites, one should be able to understand how far Agni-V can go. But what really matters for Indian babus is by keeping it hush hush we are behaving like good boyz. Bad boys will get spanking from Uncle Sam :lol:which we don't want

More of a political missile, declare its range as 10,000km and you have got world wondering why India intends to target europe & australia. test it for 15000km away and you will be making different kind of statement (coz it can reach US with that range) . An improved version may be able to place small warhead into orbit and call it an orbital bombardment system, but then world will react differently to that.

Saraswat publicly was talking about A5 destroying Satellite because India desires to have such capability and test it one day when situation demands so. He was also silent on Agni-Vs maximum range because India doesn't want to advertize it.


Here is a nice WSJ article talking about Agni-V
India's Missile Warning
The threat depends mainly on the regime, not the weapon itself.
India successfully test-fired a long-range ballistic missile on Thursday capable of carrying a nuclear warhead as far as Shanghai. The event deserves more scrutiny than it's received, though not for the reasons offered by the theologians of parchment arms control.

The test marks a significant advance in global missile proliferation, which surely vindicates those in the U.S. who have pushed antimissile defenses. India's Agni 5—Agni is the Hindu god of fire—is capable of carrying MIRVed, or multiple, independently targetable, warheads. The missile also puts India closer to being able to develop antisatellite weapons, and the Agni 5 appears to be launchable from mobile platforms. All of this makes the missile a fearsome deterrent against foreign attack.

It's clear that India will eventually be able to turn the Agni 5 into an intercontinental missile capable of reaching Europe and the U.S. look at how much of experts already know Indias capabilities but are not alarmed. This is a harbinger of missile proliferation to come, and it shows that the dominance that the U.S. and Russia have long enjoyed in missile technology and the high ground of space will soon be challenged.

The launch also underscores the folly of arms-control treaties in controlling proliferation. India has never signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty even as it has become a formidable nuclear power. The world's missile technology control regime has forced India to develop its own launch and guidance technology, though we also suspect it's received help on the sly from Russia and others.

The point is that a continental power like India is going to pursue weaponry that it believes to be in its own security interests, regardless of the wishful treaties of Western diplomats. That's especially true given China's claims to Indian territory and Beijing's bullying of its neighbors.

Yet it's also worth noting that few people laid awake Thursday night worrying about this new Indian missile. A State Department spokesman called on "all nuclear-capable states to exercise restraint regarding nuclear capabilities" but added that "India has a solid nonproliferation record."

The Chinese Foreign Ministry noted that "India and China are not rivals but cooperative partners," though China is one presumptive target of the Indian missile. Pakistan, India's traditional rival whose government was advised in advance of the launch, had no immediate official response at all.

This restrained reaction is strikingly different from the global alarm over North Korea's recent failed ballistic-missile launch, to say nothing of the anxiety provoked by Iranian missile tests and nuclear program. The difference is that no one in the West believes that India poses an aggressive military threat. India is a robust democracy whose nuclear weapons are intended as a deterrent, and not even hawks in the People's Liberation Army can credibly argue that Delhi would contemplate a nuclear first strike.

The crucial nonproliferation point is that the threat is less from the weapons than from the kind of regime that holds them. The arms control evangelists, including many in the Obama Administration, believe that the spread of weaponry is its own threat, whether the finger on the button belongs to David Cameron, Kim Jong Eun or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

But the real threat is that weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them will be acquired by tyrants who lack any domestic restraints and might well use them to dominate or destroy their neighbors. The world will be a safer place if fewer nations have nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. But the danger grows exponentially when those weapons are in the hands of a Hitler, Brezhnev or Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

The Indian launch might also cause some soul-searching in Beijing. Chinese officials sometimes sound as if their bullying regional policy will eventually have all of the Asia-Pacific region under their sway. But in practice the result has been the opposite, driving Japan, the Philippines, even Vietnam and Burma closer to the U.S. as a countervailing regional power. India's missile launch is another sign that its neighbors feel the need to deter any Chinese aggression.

As for the U.S., India's test underscores the need for robust investment in missile and satellite defenses with deployments before genuine threats arrive. It also shows the need to redouble the efforts to quarantine and deny WMD to rogue states, in contrast to treaties that provide an illusion of nonproliferation
DF-5/5A--183 ton weight--12000-15000Km range--CEP of 1km to 3.5km.
DF-4--82 ton weight-------4760km range---------CEP of 1.2km.
DF-21----15 ton weight----1500-2500Km range----CEP of 300m to 500m.
DF-3A----62 ton weight----2800-3000km range----CEP of 1km to 500m.

As one can see most of the missiles are Heavy, and are highly inaccurate with CEP of about 1km to 3km.... only latest variants of DF-21 and DF-31 are supposed to be having CEPs in the range of 200m-500m while none of the Indian missiles have a CEP of more than 50m...besides being lighter and having solid fuel which makes them suitable for prolonged storage and quick launch at a short notice while Chin missiles need to fuel with liquid propellants for two hours before its launched.. only recently have Chin developed solid fueled missiles like DF-21 and DF-31 which are not as high in numbers as compared to their liquid fueled ones which hold the bulk of their strategic Rocket force arsenal
much of the old ones i think are inspired by Soviet Designs which are mostly heavy liquid fuelled based in hardened silos. DF-31 development began rougly when Soviets were also moving to solid fuelled road mobile missiles.
chinese have geographical advantage as far as India is concerned. Can reach much of Indian cities with DF-21s, which they have in few good numbers. DF-31/41 is meant for US. China also has higher capacity warheads to offset the need for accuracy. It doesn't matter if CEP is 1km when they have megaton warheads.
 
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101gamzer

Ambassador of Buzz
Interesting........................
Russia to Provide "Seeker" Tech for Agni-V

Moscow to provide ‘seeker’ tech for Agni-V, capable of hitting target beyond 10,000 km

India is all set to join the select group of nations capable of launching nuclear strikes across continent. With Russia ready to provide the cutting-edge “seeker” technology for India’s Agni-V intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the country is ready to flaunt its nuclear might in a big way by year end when the ICBM will undergo its maiden launch.

The development of the ICBM had been delayed because no country was ready to provide India the crucial ‘seekers’ technology, which enables the missile to home in on the target with pinpoint precision. The ICBM will be capable of carrying nuclear payload and has a strike range of 10,000 km.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has indigenously developed the ‘seeker’ technology for Agni-I, Agni-II and Agni-III intermediate range missiles. But the DRDO was not in a position to develop the next stage technology and efforts to import it had been futile so far.

The breakthrough with Russia for the most critical system of the ICBM came after extensive talks between delegations of the two countries during Defence Minister AK Antony’s three-day visit to Moscow earlier this week. The Indian delegation comprised senior missile scientists of the DRDO besides others, and Moscow agreed to help New Delhi for the ICBM project, sources said.

The two sides met to review progress on various defence projects under the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Co-operation set up a decade back. The Defence Ministers of the two countries head this body and meet once a year either in Moscow or New Delhi.

Russia, UK, the US, France and China are the only countries in the world to have ICBMs which can hit a target beyond 10,000 km. India has successfully developed intermediate range ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons and hitting a target less than 4,000 km.

With the successful launch of the Agni-III two years back, the Indian scientists displayed their capability to even develop ICBM. However, their efforts over the last two years or so to go ahead with Angi-V launch could not progress due to non-availability of ‘seeker’ techology.


“Given discriminatory attitude against India by some advanced countries, including the US vis-à-vis sharing advanced technology over the last two decades, it was tough going for the missile project scientists till Russia agreed to come to India’s rescue,” officials said.

They said Russia was more than willing to share technical know-how with India for its missile programme and time tested defence relations between the two countries spanning more than four decades again produced positive results, sources said.

In another important development, Russia will also share its advanced GPS system for military purposes with India. The US has been reluctant to do so despite repeated assurances by Washington that it is ready to open its doors for hi-tech.

Incidentally, the other country to provide frontline technology in missiles and avionics is Israel and its sophisticated radars helped the DRDO carry out the successful test of Agni-III, sources pointed out.
Russia to Provide "Seeker" Tech for Agni-V ICBM

Moscow to provide ‘seeker’ tech for Agni-V, capable of hitting target beyond 10,000 km

India is all set to join the select group of nations capable of launching nuclear strikes across continent. With Russia ready to provide the cutting-edge “seeker” technology for India’s Agni-V intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the country is ready to flaunt its nuclear might in a big way by year end when the ICBM will undergo its maiden launch.

The development of the ICBM had been delayed because no country was ready to provide India the crucial ‘seekers’ technology, which enables the missile to home in on the target with pinpoint precision. The ICBM will be capable of carrying nuclear payload and has a strike range of 10,000 km.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has indigenously developed the ‘seeker’ technology for Agni-I, Agni-II and Agni-III intermediate range missiles. But the DRDO was not in a position to develop the next stage technology and efforts to import it had been futile so far.

The breakthrough with Russia for the most critical system of the ICBM came after extensive talks between delegations of the two countries during Defence Minister AK Antony’s three-day visit to Moscow earlier this week. The Indian delegation comprised senior missile scientists of the DRDO besides others, and Moscow agreed to help New Delhi for the ICBM project, sources said.

The two sides met to review progress on various defence projects under the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Co-operation set up a decade back. The Defence Ministers of the two countries head this body and meet once a year either in Moscow or New Delhi.

Russia, UK, the US, France and China are the only countries in the world to have ICBMs which can hit a target beyond 10,000 km. India has successfully developed intermediate range ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons and hitting a target less than 4,000 km.

With the successful launch of the Agni-III two years back, the Indian scientists displayed their capability to even develop ICBM. However, their efforts over the last two years or so to go ahead with Angi-V launch could not progress due to non-availability of ‘seeker’ techology.


“Given discriminatory attitude against India by some advanced countries, including the US vis-à-vis sharing advanced technology over the last two decades, it was tough going for the missile project scientists till Russia agreed to come to India’s rescue,” officials said.

They said Russia was more than willing to share technical know-how with India for its missile programme and time tested defence relations between the two countries spanning more than four decades again produced positive results, sources said.

In another important development, Russia will also share its advanced GPS system for military purposes with India. The US has been reluctant to do so despite repeated assurances by Washington that it is ready to open its doors for hi-tech.

Incidentally, the other country to provide frontline technology in missiles and avionics is Israel and its sophisticated radars helped the DRDO carry out the successful test of Agni-III, sources pointed out.
Russia To Provide "Seeker" Tech For Agni-V ICBM ~ ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS
 

whitestar_999

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Staff member
@NIGHTMARE,though very informative your post is quite misleading & assuming in nature.i will begin shortly but first let's just for a moment set aside all the info/technical details/...etc & simply using common sense do you really believe that whatever shortcomings you posted in chinese missiles were not already considered by chinese military & they did nothing to rectify these in over 2 decades when today they are considered as the biggest security challenge to US might in Asian region even according to credible US defense sources.

it is correct that earliest chinese missiles had poor CEP but this is not the case anymore.the DF21 whose CEP you posted as 300-500m is 30-40m(DF21C revealed in 2006) & if this is not enough chinese have reportedly developed and tested world's 1st "aircraft carrier killer missile" which is really something because hitting a moving aircraft carrier in ocean requires maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs) with some kind of terminal guidance system with a very low CEP so this should put to rest any theories about chinese not having one of the world's finest missile guidance system.

Agni-V: Is India counting its chickens too early? - www.daily.bhaskar.com
Commodore (retd) C Uday Bhaskar, former director of the National Maritime Foundation said,"China has been working on the missile technology before 20 years than India and we are at a very early stage of ICBM. Agni-V will take few more years to get fully operational. So, we have to cover a long distance before we come at par with China in terms of missile prowess."
as already stated by others before china is ahead of india in every defense aspect whether missiles or planes & this point is not even worth debatable by any defense expert worth his or her salt.thinking otherwise is just living in dreams.i agree agni V is a major milestone & an effective deterrence against china but that's it.it does not mean India has same or even close missile capabilities as that of china.deterrence is not to be confused with capability because if it is then even north korea has comparable military strength to USA.

P.S.btw guidance system is capable of providing sub-200 metre circular error probable (CEP) accuracy at max range for the Agni V as of now.
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Agni-V: Is India counting its chickens too early? - www.daily.bhaskar.com
Commodore (retd) C Uday Bhaskar, former director of the National Maritime Foundation said,"China has been working on the missile technology before 20 years than India and we are at a very early stage of ICBM. Agni-V will take few more years to get fully operational. So, we have to cover a long distance before we come at par with China in terms of missile prowess."
Its absolutely unfair to compare with Chinese missile program when we just tested a 5000km range missile.

Its like comparing Chinese program with US or Russian one and calling them decades behind. There is no comparison in the kind of resources invested, path chosen, challenges faced, threat profile, political desire & requirements.

its the challenges India had to face and choices we had made that resulted present stage. IMO we were capable of coming out with operational ICBM in 80s or 90s if we went all out but that would offend group of countries. US pressure, Project Valiant Failure, MTCR, ISRO being only for peaceful purposes.

Traditionally being non-aligned to any SuperPower and yet afraid of offending them, India always ended up somewhere in middle.

just think about, we are only country who are able to test a missile upto 5000km range, able to send strong message to china, yet doesn't offend any other country, instead get some praise from US for non-proliferation record and yet maintain strategic relationship with Russia. Europe was silent, so was Japan and many other countries who would otherwise raise alarm. This doesn't happen with China, Nkorea, Iran.


coming to capabilies, Agni-V is the vehicle, and around it you have build technologies.

MIRV, SLBM, MaRV will come later, but Agni-V is the basic defining milestone for many reasons. Agni-III was the actual start where we built large 2m dia solid rocket motors.

Agni-V milestone can be compared to 1974 nuclear test or 1980 SLV-3 Launch when India sent its first rocket into space.

to be on par with P5 countries, SLBM, MIRV & ASAT are needed. Its good to know DRDO is in the process. It would be interesting how SLBMs will be designed, it would need more composites, further miniaturization, reducin height of the motors to fit the inside sub tube.

P.S.btw guidance system is capable of providing sub-200 metre circular error probable (CEP) accuracy at max range for the Agni V as of now.
DRDO press release states it as few meters of accuracy. We have to speculate how much few meters would be.

as already stated by others before china is ahead of india in every defense aspect whether missiles or planes & this point is not even worth debatable by any defense expert worth his or her salt.thinking otherwise is just living in dreams.i agree agni V is a major milestone & an effective deterrence against china but that's it.it does not mean India has same or even close missile capabilities as that of china.deterrence is not to be confused with capability because if it is then even north korea has comparable military strength to USA.
north korea doesn't have vehicle that can reach US, they had attempted but failed including the latest attempt. Even if Koreans manage successful test, The so called US Missile Defense could be quite good against that. A better example will be what DF-31 means to China against US is pretty much what Agni-V means to India against China. mobility, canisters, short-reaction time, solid rocket motors but MIRVs will come later for A5.

As far as SLBM is concerned, it will be most capable Second strike option, which is why India desires the most. A long range SLBM with few MIRVs launched from submarine underwater will be culmination of indias missile program.
 
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