70-75k Gaming rig build continued....

[devx]

This is my 2nd thread and my rig was almost finalized at previous, it had become so lengthy that it has been closed., so here no need to be lengthy for components briefing & be precised and answer to build questionnaire is here:-

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Generic answers will not work. Be exact and avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Purpose-Gaming & Virtualization., applications has no end & for gaming it’s FPS/TPS-RTS-RPG-MMORPG

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 75k + 4k (It’s my savings).

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: Yes ofcourse.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Basically WIN 7, Server 2008 and LINUX based.

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 2 TB.

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Yes I need to buy, 23” above - LED – 1920*1080.

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: HDD: - Seagate 80 GB HDD, Seagate 500 GB Portable.,
SPEAKER: - Frontech 4.1 JIL-1867 (I would like to buy new as i mentioned in my earlier post but can drop too if necessary).

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: No hurry, I’m waiting as soon as the prices get down.

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes, many times.

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Bhopal, I can buy locally if it’s in reasonable price & if not than INDORE / MUMBAI, and would like to consider online for minor components.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Yes, My preferred config. Is below & things to be taken in consideration are below the table:-

COMPONENT MAKE :- PRICE :-
Processor Intel Core i5 2500k 12,700
Monitor Dell ST2320L 9,800
Motherboard MSI Z68A-GD55(B3) 10,000
Graphic Card MSI R6950 Twin Frozer III/OC 2gb 16,200
Speakers Logitech Z506 4,700
RAM Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-8GBXL(4*2) 2,800
Case Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced 5,500
UPS APC 1.1KVA 5,250
PSU SeaSonic S12 620w 4,710
Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard K200 400
Mouse Razer Deathadder 1,900
Mouse Pad Razer Goliathus Fragged S - Control 591
DVD Writer ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD 1,147
Printer Canon MP287 3,299
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 2,000
Other Cooler Master IC value 1 Thermal Compound 150
TOTAL (Tax + Shipping) 81,147

-I would strictly like to stick with INTEL based machines. (No personal matters)
-I’ll be using both Windows & Linux as dual boot.
-I need more HDD, but not now as the price for this particular item is really not acceptable, so i’ll buy later in mid 2012 and a USB 3.0 cable is required for Seagate Go-Flex.
-For monitors I already mentioned the specs, few more are [16:9 – Antiglare (matte) – prefer Wall mount – Looks not necessary]
-The speakers i have is not enough for gaming & movies, so i need a new one [Logitech Z506], but in case I can unmark it if something heavily worth is in place instead.
-Mid Tower ATX cabinet [Greater airflow + Looks]
-I can go for CFX/SLI if it’s better & under 25k + PSU only if CFX is really better than single 6950/6970 else it's OK.
-Everyone who knows reasonable & material availability shops in BHOPAL/INDORE please notify me., and the last option is MUMBAI(Please post the address too).

-Thanks AND I apologise if I’m harsh and the link to previous thread is below.,

 

[ico]

No point really in going for Crossfire/SLI. Troubles under Linux. Single card is always the way to go. Next generation AMD cards are infact even more power efficient, so 620w is fine for the future.

I hope in Virtualisation, you don't require IOMMU/PCI Passthrough. (most probably you don't) Because in that case, FX-8120 will be the way to go.

Cabinet is a toss between CM Haf 912 advanced and NZXT Tempest Evo. Head or tail - flip a coin.

I stay away from Canon products because I purchased their scanner and Canon offered zero support for Linux from their side. Luckily, SANE supports my scanner now. Canon printer will definitely work, but if I was you, I won't give my money to them. Check out HP and Epson. Epson inks are cheap.

Two shops in Mumbai. PrimeABGB.com and TheITWares.com.

 

[S_V]

@devx
Hello Mate.. stick with Current Config and you won't Regret it.... That i5 Processor will perform Top notch with gaming and applications... At present this Video card(in your Table) is very good and will perform very well with High Settings. Later when price comes down considerably you can throw other card for CFX for better gaming... Trust me, The performance with SLI/CFX is butter smooth with Good Drivers compared to Single Card with Maximum settings....so you should keep in mind about Higher PSU if planning for CFX later..

Tips:

Also for HDD..yes you have to wait for long time for prices to go down. Looks like the prices will stay high for long time. But when Prices go down... Throw 2x320 or 2x250 in RAID 0 Mode your system will run like it's crazy to Win Gold medal in Olympics. It's cheaper and better in size compared to SSD. Being RAID 0 user for really Long time(more than 10 years),, it's safe to use RAID.

example: RAID 0 vs Single HDD (OS)

With Single HDD OS, If you are extracting or Archiving say 1GB file and simultaneously trying to open applications say Browsers , Until The extracting or archiving completes the applications will not open and PC keeps rolling the Busy Icon becoz the extracting or archiving process takes all the Resources of HDD and leaves other applications to stall. They might open but its takes considerably long time than usual.

With RAID 0 OS, This won't be a problem at all. Regardless the extracting or archiving, simultaneously opening applications and Running is never a problem. And Browsers with many Tabs opened will not hang. Even with so many addons browsers such as Chrome and Firefox will run very smooth.

Recently many friends as well as other persons asking me that " My system is really High end but still sometimes opening applications takes lot of time and Browsers with flash sites occasionally does not respond well." They don't really know that HDD is really important for applications too.. This is also the reason why RAID technology and SSD's became very famous in Servers and Desktop respectively. So I am writing here to avoid such confusion if in case anyone wondering about the performance of their PC's. so it's not that you Don't know all these. So I am sorry for Hijacking your Thread.


Speakers:

I think, extend your budget little Higher and Go for Edifier DA 5500.... This is far better than Logitech... Logitech is too much Boomy Bass instead of Clear Solid Bass. Due to that Mid Range Frequency are worse in Logitech and better in Edifier. so if you are fan of Mid Range Frequency than you will be disappointed with Logitech.

No point really in going for Crossfire/SLI. Troubles under Linux. Single card is always the way to go. Next generation AMD cards are infact even more power efficient, so 620w is fine for the future.

I believe CFX/SLI is always good for gaming in Higher Resolutions mate.
If you are referring to OP then it's fine. Linux is exception so I won't say much. In windows the problems with SLI/CFX is also very very less due to regular drivers update from both Nvidia and AMD. Also we can switch off CFX/SLI from Control panel when we think single card is enough for particular games and the second card sits very cool and calm with very less power. (Not that you don't know)

 

[devx]

@ico >> Actually i'm going to use my old Intel rig too besides as a host for windows & server for linux., so no problem with GFX card issues with Linux nor with CANON printer., the other i have in options as multi-function printers for causal home use under 3.5K:-

-Canon Pixma Mp287
-Epson Stylus TX 121
-Hp Deskjet 1050
Performance and specs wise i found Canon Mp287 the best among these and i don't want to spend much on these.

In general it's a good idea to choose a brand and stick with it, especially if the majority of your current servers already use a particular brand. The reason for this is that you can't move running virtual machines (VMs) from one host to another if the hosts run on different processors (For example, a VM started on a host with an Intel processor typically crashes if it's moved while running to a host with an AMD processor) If i decide to use different brands, it's best to isolate hosts of the same brand processor into separate clusters for compatibility purposes.
And i first got FX-8120 in mind for virtualization priority based., but after watching it's reviews for gaming i let it down., so i'm taking it is a minor issue with 2500K., as it supports Intel AES-NI & VT., my Networking workload=60% linux + 40% windows

And one last thing if my payment method is cash from prime or itwares., will there be a change in pricing compared to online prices ??

 

[ico]

Clarification regarding i5-2500k. It only supports VT-x and does NOT support VT-d if guest wants to access devices on the host machine. I don't know if you need VT-d or not. But I thought I should clarify this for you.

 

[devx]

@ ICO >> Thanks very much for clarifying., and i'm not going to access devices but VT-d ofcourse its a benefit., i'm not sure about the AMD-V fully supports the AMD-vi-PCI passthrough (Fully = true efficient sharing of devices across multiple guests) and if not then it's better to use Intel VT for just a single lil. cause & pure gaming is considered or to wait for i5-3570K = Fully supports VT (VTx + VTi + VTd)., but thanks i'll look forward if i found pure reviews for AMD-V

@ SUNIL >> RAID is the only primary reason i'm not buying the HDD now., and please as you'r IT specialist help me on this virtualization factor., and as far as speakers are concerned my choice was Edifier C2 and then i increase the budget and now it's LOGITECH z506., Edifier DA5500 it's really good + pricy., but i'm not sure to buy speakers if CFX takes place.,

Looks at this CFX., is it good ??

ONE CONDITION:-
- 2* HIS 6790 1 Gb (8.35K) + Corsair GS 700w(5.45K) = 22,150 [Theoretically slightly better than 6950 & equals to 6970]

SECOND CONDITION:-
- 2* MSI 6850 1 Gb (9.9K) + Seasonic SS 750SJ(5.7K) = 25,550 [No Speakers = Butter naan much much better than 6950-6970]

 

[vickybat]

^^ Your mobo will support the i5 3570k when its released. Sell 2500k and drop that then.

 

[ico]

Thanks very much for clarifying., and i'm not going to access devices but VT-d ofcourse its a benefit., i'm not sure about the AMD-V fully supports the PCI passthrough (Fully = true efficient sharing of devices across multiple guests) and if not then it's better to use Intel VT for just a single lil. cause & pure gaming is considered or to wait for i5-3570K = Fully supports VT (VTx + VTi + VTd)., but thanks i'll look forward if i found pure reviews for AMD-V

i5-3570K would support VT-d? Must be a random rumour. Intel will most likely disable it for K processors like they have done now. i5-2500 has VT-d. i5-2500K does not.

PCI Passthrough is AMD-Vi. Not AMD-V. I always choose to be specific in naming and to the while discussing these things. FX-8120 + 990FX supports both.

Swapping the processor and getting VT-d support isn't going to hold true if a lazy arse board maker doesn't bother to release a BIOS update. Enthusiast board makers rarely pay attention to this. Some Z68 support VT-d, some don't. All because of the BIOS.

anyways, since you don't need it...it doesn't matter.

Looks at this CFX., is it good ??

ONE CONDITION:-
- 2* HIS 6790 1 Gb (8.35K) + Corsair GS 700w(5.45K) = 22,150 [Theoretically slightly better than 6950 & equals to 6970]

SECOND CONDITION:-
- 2* MSI 6850 1 Gb (9.9K) + Seasonic SS 750SJ(5.7K) = 25,550 [No Speakers = Butter naan much much better than 6950-6970]

Stick to a single card.

It doesn't make sense for Crossfire/SLI unless you get two high-end cards. HD 6950/HD 6970/GTX 580. You've had approx 4 pages of discussion on core components now. Time to pull the trigger.

 

[devx]

i5-3570K would support VT-d? Must be a random rumour. Intel will most likely disable it for K processors like they have done now. i5-2500 has VT-d. i5-2500K does not.

PCI Passthrough is AMD-Vi. Not AMD-V. I always choose to be specific in naming and to the while discussing these things. FX-8120 + 990FX supports both.

Sorry., Your are right., we should be specific-It's disabled with K series., i'm really embarrassed(I have edited) And AMD-V (Virtu. + Vi) that's what i mean., INTEL is final.

Stick to a single card.

It doesn't make sense for Crossfire/SLI unless you get two high-end cards. HD 6950/HD 6970/GTX 580. You've had approx 4 pages of discussion on core components now. Time to pull the trigger.

It doesn't make sense practically or what ??
Haha sorry my friend i just need total VFM nobody in my friends or teacher was able to answer the questions., that's why to be more clearer it got lengthy.

 

[devx]

COMPONENT MAKE :- PRICE :-
Monitor Samsung S23A300B 10,500
Motherboard MSI Z68A-GD55(B3) 10,000
Speakers Logitech Z506 4,700
RAM Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL(4*2) 3,050
PSU Corsair GS 600w 4,500
Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard K200 400
Mouse Razer Deathadder 1,900
Mouse Pad Razer Goliathus Fragged M - Control 591
DVD Writer ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD 1,150
Printer Canon MP287 3,295
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 2,000
Other Cooler Master IC value 1 Thermal Compound 150
TOTAL (Tax + Shipping) 42,236

Huhhh.....after a long search for prices i convinced my dealer for this pricing except CPU + GPU + Cabinet + UPS., and so i booked rest of the parts.

-For CPU & UPS i'm still in search for best prices.
-For GPU i'll wait for 7870.
-For cabinet i'm confused(looks) i really like HAF 912 but it's going to cost me 7,000(VAT + Freight) and theitwares has HAF 922 with just a margin of error 7550/- (VAT + Freight)., it would be good if somehow i manage under 5.5k from Cooler Master / Corsair / NZXT / Thermaltake., help mee.

 

[devx]

And today as informed by Jupiter Int. Ltd. ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen-3 mobo. is available in stock with a 3 years of Indian warranty and service center is Digicare.
So guys please i need your urgent help for which one to buy among:-
-ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen-3
-MSI Z68A GD55-(B3)

And rest of the config. is below:-

COMPONENT :- MAKE :- PRICE :-
CPU Intel Core i5-2500k 12,500
Cabinet Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced 5,500
UPS APC Back-UPS 1100v 5,000(approx.)
TOTAL -- 23,000

 

[S_V]

My Vote goes to ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen-3

 

[Tenida]

Look at this
*www.hardwarelook.com/reviews/asrock-z68-extreme3-gen3-review_125_11.html

ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 Review - HardwareLook.com

asrock z68 extreme3 gen3 review - Google Search

 

[$$Lionking$$]

ASRock board is very nice... u cud go for it....

or try gigabyte/asus... asus+rashi do not have issues in MP..

a guy is selling a new Gigabyte Z68 UD4 board in TDF market... u can try that too...

 

[comp@ddict]

A 80k rig should include the latest gfx atleast.

I think waiting for the HD7950 would be wise.

 

[devx]

Alright friends., let's see what ASRock got to show up., and i have to quickly stop the MSI mobo. order.

@ comp@ddict >> yes., that's right., but 7870 is good enough for me as i have already increased my budget from my pocket so now no more increments left.

 

[hjpotter92]

Hey, nice config. Though, I mainly am shocked to see your keyboard + mouse. What kind of games do you prefer. Also, if you're thinking of having Linux, then my guess is you are gonna be programming more than gaming(self-experienced ). In that case, instead of spending more on DeathAdder, go for a better keyboard.

As for PSU, you haven't mentioned its output current values. Go for something providing 50A, otherwise, system restarts are common occurrences.

Buying a separate CPU cooler is, imo, not good. The fan provided in the bundle is good enough. Buy a cooler for the cabinet itself. ^_^ (May overlook this clause, as you're gonna over-clock )

I am really unaware about current mobo+CPU configs, so can't say about them. Haven't even seen a new piece after the one I bought like 3 years ago :'(

 

[devx]

Hey where are my old posts............ I think it's administrator., hey ICO i'm not briefing here why did you deleted my posts

 

[ico]

Hey where are my old posts............ I think it's administrator., hey ICO i'm not briefing here why did you deleted my posts

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/rules-ann...-homepage-database-errors-few-posts-gone.html

Hello,

The main site (not the forum) is going under an overhaul. The database errors are due to that.

Also, due to some circumstances, the database of the forum has been reverted to the state it was in @ 7 pm IST - 23 Jan 2012.

So, if you are wondering where your posts have gone, there is the answer. ^^

with regards,
ico.

 

[devx]

I'm totally fed-up with these local sellers., i booked my config. on 26 JAN. and still it has not arrived., it's been around 2 months now., i should have made an online purchase perhaps., although the shopkeeper himself is an gamer and it's shop is much better source than any other in whole city for gaming rigs. They just say " sorry for the inconvenience " and it's the courier problem.

Why the hell it's happening with me., I have been waiting since years for my rig and PATIENCE is now killing me.