Does it suck to be an Indian gamer?

[sandymaniac]

Of course it does. Let me bring another point of view. Gaming in India has never been given due recognition it deserves. Gamers have always been looked down upon as people who have an expensive hobby.
Unless the attitude of people changes, nothing is going to happen.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

gaming is not very favourable here.

although PC games are much cheaper here, the PC components always cost a lot more here.

Only 2 days ago I was in Kuala Lumpur (returning to Kolkata from Christchurch), and a vaio laptop that costs almost 3000 Ringgit there costs Rs. 62990 here...
A GTX 580 will set you back by $500 in USA while it costs over 600 here.

Even developers dont release games on all platforms here. COD, Fallout, RAGE are prime examples. Even EA has hiked game prices by 50% now to almost Rs.1500 for the AAA titles.

Govt needs to reduce taxes on PC parts and manufacturers/developers have to stop ripping us off for the situation to improve.

Manufacturing software locally (happening for years on PC, recently on PS2 and soon on PS3) is what helps.

console users are screwed twice. Games cost more than other countries and consoles also cost more.

 

[NVIDIAGeek]

It doesn't totally suck to be an Indian gamer, but the expenditure's high, that's all.

 

[satan007]

It doesn't totally suck to be an Indian gamer, but the expenditure's high, that's all.

True true.

All complaining here don't want to pay for the services they are getting....Developers should get for what they produce.....Govt. should tax it because they allow it in our country.

Speeds.....I am pretty sure except for a very few games 512kbps connection with <100 ping is more than enough to play any game. It is pretty cheap.

Games people play.....Its their own choice....You cannot force people to learn dancing too.

Rig is costly everywhere...especially gaming rigs....You want something awesome and you dont want to pay for it.....again.

Buuhuu....Stop ur sadness.....India at present is pretty good for gaming....You can get nearly everything you want.....All is left on your part.....Earn more...........Be happy.

 

[masterkd]

yeah..if you consider single player only..your points stand true.

Try Borderlands co-op or ACB multiplayer in 512 kbps with 100+ ping..will s*** big time.

 

[tkin]

yeah..if you consider single player only..your points stand true.

Try Borderlands co-op or ACB multiplayer in 512 kbps with 100+ ping..will s*** big time.

Well borderlands LAN co op works locally, in kolkata, but I have not tried abroad, but no doubt it will suck.

True true.

All complaining here don't want to pay for the services they are getting....Developers should get for what they produce.....Govt. should tax it because they allow it in our country.

Speeds.....I am pretty sure except for a very few games 512kbps connection with <100 ping is more than enough to play any game. It is pretty cheap.

Games people play.....Its their own choice....You cannot force people to learn dancing too.

Rig is costly everywhere...especially gaming rigs....You want something awesome and you dont want to pay for it.....again.

Buuhuu....Stop ur sadness.....India at present is pretty good for gaming....You can get nearly everything you want.....All is left on your part.....Earn more...........Be happy.

That's the point, you ever see the ping to servers abroad?

 

[Arsenal_Gunners]

I'd do away with the hassles of a PC and get a console in an instant,if new games retail at PC prices.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Gaming is not at a very good state right now.

I have been playing AAA titles since the age of 6/7 lol and my gaming time has increased extensively over the past 4 years, when I got into geekdom. I have noticed that gaming really is looked down upon, even in rich families.

Ping to US/Canada even on 2Mbit is as high as 500-600, sometimes even 700.

To the UK 350 is common. Playable sub-200 only occurs in the mainland asia region and great sub-100 ping only inside India.

 

[Anorion]

Uh support. We have to stay up at an ungodly hour for live support, or wait for long stretches when we are active to get replies, which is slow and not really of much help till its too late.

 

[satan007]

Well borderlands LAN co op works locally, in kolkata, but I have not tried abroad, but no doubt it will suck.


That's the point, you ever see the ping to servers abroad?

Sir, do u know what ping is?

Read about that and then you will change ur answer.

 

[tkin]

Sir, do u know what ping is?

Read about that and then you will change ur answer.

I know what ping is, the problem is that ping is more easily understandable to people here than saying server latency, plus it takes less time and keystrokes to type "ping" than "latency", so I wrote ping, and everyone understood I think. I am a CSE 4th year student and been with digit for some time now, I've studied networking in the past and I know about all the jargons, its just that I choose not to use them here.

What I tried to say is, Ping or Latency to foreign servers is abysmal, or otherwise you own a connection which gives <100ms latency to us or uk servers, or even Singapore servers, in our case it ranges between 300-1000ms, so its the only issue we have, not the bandwidth, ever tried shooting someone in MP game only to see the bullet miss him by a hairs width? I had and I blame the latency.

 

[Soumik99]

I guess Ping is the time it takes for the server at the other end to respond?

I know what ping is, the problem is that ping is more easily understandable to people here than saying server latency, plus it takes less time and keystrokes to type "ping" than "latency", so I wrote ping, and everyone understood I think. I am a CSE 4th year student and been with digit for some time now, I've studied networking in the past and I know about all the jargons, its just that I choose not to use them here.

What I tried to say is, Ping or Latency to foreign servers is abysmal, or otherwise you own a connection which gives <100ms latency to us or uk servers, or even Singapore servers, in our case it ranges between 300-1000ms, so its the only issue we have, not the bandwidth, ever tried shooting someone in MP game only to see the bullet miss him by a hairs width? I had and I blame the latency.

+1 @tkin. bhalo.
This discussion is really going nowhere. So I guess all we need to do is EARN MONEY TO SUCH A HIGH LEVEL THAT IT OUTRUNS THE OBSTACLES OF THE SYSTEM. WILL DO! oops still in high school.
But still ping depends on the routing procedures of the ISPs,locations,etc so.... idk!

 

[Sarath]

So is the conclusion only that online gaming sucks in our country? Especially on foreign servers?

What about offline games?

 

[tkin]

So is the conclusion only that online gaming sucks in our country? Especially on foreign servers?

What about offline games?

Offline games are fine, price of computer products are a bit high but almost on par with european countries, all games are released(exception was Fallout 3/Nv due to cows named brahmins), so no issues there.

 

[skeletor]

Speeds.....I am pretty sure except for a very few games 512kbps connection with <100 ping is more than enough to play any game. It is pretty cheap.

Do you think we get < 100 ms ping?

Here's the ping I'm getting to Gurgaon BSNL. I'm using New Delhi MTNL. (Cities are only 30 km apart)

PING 59.94.96.1 (59.94.96.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 59.94.96.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=104 time=246.213 ms
64 bytes from 59.94.96.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=106 time=218.942 ms
64 bytes from 59.94.96.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=105 time=268.467 ms
64 bytes from 59.94.96.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=104 time=242.592 ms

Here's the ping I'm getting to my neighbour who has an Airtel connection.

PING 122.160.230.57 (122.160.230.57): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 122.160.230.57: icmp_seq=0 ttl=237 time=205.769 ms
64 bytes from 122.160.230.57: icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=205.368 ms
64 bytes from 122.160.230.57: icmp_seq=2 ttl=237 time=206.119 ms
64 bytes from 122.160.230.57: icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=205.273 ms

To a friend of mine using Airtel in Karnataka.

PING 122.178.244.247 (122.178.244.247): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 122.178.244.247: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=317.444 ms
64 bytes from 122.178.244.247: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=238.443 ms
64 bytes from 122.178.244.247: icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=262.535 ms
64 bytes from 122.178.244.247: icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=388.283 ms
64 bytes from 122.178.244.247: icmp_seq=4 ttl=44 time=309.173 ms

ANd here's my ping to a server in Hong Kong at which I used to play.

PING 203.215.243.1 (203.215.243.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 203.215.243.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=116.790 ms
64 bytes from 203.215.243.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=117.001 ms
64 bytes from 203.215.243.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=118.150 ms
64 bytes from 203.215.243.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=117.059 ms

Ping to a server in Singapore.

PING 203.208.248.10 (203.208.248.10): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 203.208.248.10: icmp_seq=0 ttl=109 time=104.601 ms
64 bytes from 203.208.248.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=109 time=109.134 ms
64 bytes from 203.208.248.10: icmp_seq=2 ttl=109 time=101.980 ms
64 bytes from 203.208.248.10: icmp_seq=3 ttl=109 time=102.897 ms

Ping to a server in Japan.

PING 61.125.195.20 (61.125.195.20): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 61.125.195.20: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=179.767 ms
64 bytes from 61.125.195.20: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=180.552 ms
64 bytes from 61.125.195.20: icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=184.116 ms
64 bytes from 61.125.195.20: icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=193.835 ms
64 bytes from 61.125.195.20: icmp_seq=4 ttl=45 time=180.870 ms

And my pings to European servers are very good too. Mostly between 160 to 220ms.

Fact is routing between Indian ISPs is ****. In other countries within the same city you see single digit pings. You can't host servers from home in India.

And why should I be happy about 512kbps Internet? Heck, Pakistan gets 4mbps UL without any FUP for ~1000 INR. Now don't say that their demand is less + India has a huge demand and can't cope up. After all, India is a 10x economy. (I know I shouldn't be comparing this way, but Internet is very expensive here.)

For the note, 2 PNR = 1 INR.

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[Sarath]

^ Those are some weird pings. From bangalore I get 30-50 pings to my friends place some blocks away. Normal is around 100. rarely 140+ and ones on 3G and photon show up 200+ upto 350.

Garena client

 

[skeletor]

^ Those are some weird pings. From bangalore I get 30-50 pings to my friends place some blocks away. Normal is around 100. rarely 140+ and ones on 3G and photon show up 200+ upto 350.

Garena client

Try pinging to 59.94.96.1 and 59.178.191.254.

I expect Airtel in South India to be very good for pings to other countries. Over here, it's crap.

 

[Faun]

Routing takes the cheapest path, in India.

 

[skeletor]

Routing takes the cheapest path, in India.

This.

 

[Faun]

Try pinging to 59.94.96.1 and 59.178.191.254.

59.94.96.1 ~60ms
59.178.191.254 ~102ms


main problem is packet loss in between.