Suggest System Config.

[saisrikar]

Hello,

i am plannin to buy a new PC.
My budget is round about till 47K .....
Can anyone please suggest me a system config. with which i can play current games with decent Video Settings. I am not that much of a Graphic Conscious user.....but i want a system which will give me a good performance for atleast a year i guess.... anywhere between med-max graphic settings will work...

i also a few q's regarding...

1.) are AMD Processors better than Intel , for gaming ?!? Is AMD Reliable for using it for general Tasks other than gaming ?!?

2.) Is AMD Athlon 64 3500+ ( Socket 939 ) a 64 Bit Processor ?!? And How is it for Gaming ?!?

3.) How are AMD X2 Line of Processors for Gaming. Are they 64 Bit. ?!?

I also want to make sure that My System is Completly ready to Run VISTA when it is launched !!!!

Can anyone suggest me a best Performance Graphic Card that i can get around for 9-10K

Any Suggestions are welcome....
Thankx a lot...
Looking forward for replies

cheers

 

[Anand_RF]

AFAIK Intel Core 2 Duo beats the tar out of AMD. Get that, it retails for around 10k. I don't know which motherboards support c2d, check the intel website.
As for graphics cards between 9-10k, you can get 7600 gs for about 7k.

Get ATLEAST 1 GB ddr2 ram, 2 if possible. I just installed Vista Beta2 on my pc which has 1 gb ddr2 ram. I have just around 500 mb ram free during boot.

Hard disk - you're free to choose, but 250 gb sata 3.0gb/s comes for around 4500. You can get 100 or 160 gb if you want.
Do not compromise on power supply, get atleast a 400 w one with a 12v or 16v rail. Buy Antec or VIP if you can.
Of course, Vista needs a dvdrom, but I suggest getting a writer. The ones from Liteon are good.
Monitor - your choice. Get a standard 17" crt or lcd from acer or samsung.

 

[akshayt]

1)GAMING:If you get Core 2 Duo, then yes. Else, no. It also depends upon which CPUs are you exactly comparing. NON GAMING: AMD is fully reliable and maybe in fact more reliable than Intel.

2)AMD '64' 3500 means 64bit CPU. For most of todays games it will do ok provided you have a good graphic card. It will handle most of the games just fine provided you overclock it to 2.4-2.6GHz up from 2.2GHz which should be easily achievable and there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Off course your PSU and motherboard should support the OC and you must have a GPU which can fully use the power else there might not be that much point. But for the games of the near future, it will become old as it is already a low end CPU and will need to be overclocked as much as possible and equipped with enough GPU power else it may not do that well in the games of the near future which will make full use of dual core. Therefore, if you have the money, dual core is strongly recommended.

3)In games which don't support dual core at all they should most of the time compete the single core counter parts depending upon their speeds, eg: X2 3800 would compete AMD 64 3200. However for the future dual core is all good and until quad core comes in atleast and atleast s939 dual cores sometimes are really good overclockers. They are 64bit just as any dual core CPU. They will do a job at gaming for most games atleast and will certainly give you more juice once you overclock them if required.

4)All these CPUs and 10k level cards will run Windows Vista if paired with 1-2GB RAM. However I feel to use Vista better from todays standards, one should get a decent/good dual core with 4GB RAM and upgrade to Dx10 later.

5)For >10k you get 7600GT and maybe X1800GTO. However these cards won't do med-high settings for a year. They will at the moment do med on some games and high on others and soon it maybe a lot of med. I am talking of res 10X7 at the moment. By the end of the yr there may be games which you migth end up playing at 800*600 low to med. And there might be some games which you might need to play at 10X7 low to med.

6)What you want is a 7900GS for 15k and 7900GT for 17k or more.

7)Your rig:
GPU = priority=gaming

Geforce 7900GT - 17k or more
1GB X 2 DDR2 667 Transcend - 8500
Seagate SATA II NCQ 250GB - sub 4k
Combo + DVD RW + FDD - 4k+
Cabinet - 1k
Cooler Master extreme 600watts - 3600(read somewhere, not sure)
Samsung 798MB Plus - 6k
Microsoft Comfort 3000 - 800
Microsoft Internet KB/Multimeida KB - around 400-500, maybe more
Altec Lansing 251 - 4k
Microtek 800va - 2k+

left is for CPU + MB :
I recommend :
C2D E6300 + MSI Neo F 965 = 16500
X2 AM2 3800 + good oc mobo = maybe around 15k or so

couple with a good cooling solution around 1000-2000 bucks for CPU

X2 is a line. The amount you need to oc or how much performance you gt depends upon the CPU you chose. You can't take the entire line in one ago. You won't compare a X2 3600 with a X2 5000, atleats not withoutoverclocking.

Core 2 Duo beats AMD but for gaming purposes I doubt your budget is that much. If you comprmise on the GPU then anyway there is no point as your gaming will become crap by the dozen for each major degradation.

7600GS is crap. Don't get it. X6800 + 7600GS <<<<<<<<<<<<< AMD 64 3000 + 7800GT, in most games.

1GB won't do for gaming. To play the games that will be released over the next 1yr at high settings, the most intensive of gams will infact need 4GB RAM.

There is nothing as 16V. 16A on 12Va is not going to be enough or anywhere close.
You can't even compare Antec to VIP. Compare VIP, Powersafe and Zebronics together. Compare Antec and cooler master together. Choose a winner from both groups and compare them.
You can get the sony dvd rw, don't know about liteon, but normally poeple don't buy liteon dvd rw.

LCD is out of budget atleast not 17".

 

[k_blues24]

AMD is Reliable, & If possible go for AMD 3800+

 

[akshayt]

Whatever you do don't go for the AMD 64 3800. PERIOD

It costs around 8k and is not worth it. You will be fine with AMD 64 3200/3500 with a good cooling solution which costs as much or lower and will let you overclock fine. Or if you want to spend that much, then get the X2 3800 which is better for the near future gaming,better for multitasking etc and most probably you will make it equivalent or better to the AMD 64 3800 with overclocking.

 

[saisrikar]

thnkx guys......lots of replies

will take me time to go through and consider properly....

one q. regarding vista......
i heard that there will be a 32 bit and a 64 bit versions.....
what will b the major diff. bet the two ?!?

and is the core duo pro. 64 bit ?!?

how much will 7800 series cards cost ?!?

 

[drvarunmehta]

@akshayt: How can you say the LCD is out of budget? You have added useless things like a floppy drive and combo drive. What's the need for a combo drive when a DVD writer is already present?

Geforce 7900GT - 17k or more
1GB X 2 DDR2 667 Transcend - 8500
Seagate SATA II NCQ 250GB - sub 4k
Combo + DVD RW + FDD - 4k+
Cabinet - 1k
Cooler Master extreme 600watts - 3600(read somewhere, not sure)
Samsung 798MB Plus - 6k
Microsoft Comfort 3000 - 800
Microsoft Internet KB/Multimeida KB - around 400-500, maybe more
Altec Lansing 251 - 4k
Microtek 800va - 2k+

This alone exceeds Rs. 50,000

How can you ask him to spend 15k more on the CPU and mobo after this not to mention a aftermarket CPU cooler which is useless unless he plans to OC? The cost of the rig you mention is close to 70k. Keep in mind that his budget is only 47k.

You know a lot about hardware and make good recommendations most of the time, but you give undue priority to the GPU in every rig you recommend. No doubt the GPU is most important when it comes to gaming, but a 7900GT does not fit in every budget.
I agree with everything else you chose in the rig but spending 17k out of a 47k budget just on graphics leaves little to spend on anything else.
Please don't be offended or anything. I just felt I had to point this out.

@saisrikar: Yes Core2 Duo is 64-bit.

 

[akshayt]

saishri

1)All CPUs today are 64bit. No need to ask for each CPU.

2)64bit version of vista will support 64bit apps which will be mostly released in the future and may have better textures, performance etc. But the sys req will be higher for 64bit version. current apps are mostly 32bit.

3)7800 series is absolete, no point buying it. It won't be cheaper than a 7900GT anyway which should be as good or better.

dhruvmetra
1)DVD RW - drive for writing DVDs, you need another drive for reading the disc, eg: copying game DVD else it takes too much time. Also, combo cd rw is faster than dvd rw's cd rw. Also, fdd+ combo =1.5k, LCD = 12k, huge difference.

2)After market cooling will help a lot when he overclocks and which is surely recommended in this budget. No point skipping the cooler as he is not getting a very good CPU. He will probably end up with a AMD 64 3500 or at most X2 3800. After market cooling isn't that expensive.

3)Gaming is his priority. AMD 64 3500 overclocked + 1900XT > X2 3800 + 7900GT most of the times. So, no point compromising on the card, try to spend 15k on the card. And if you can't then there is no way you can even think of an LCD, and if you can buy a LCD then you can rearrange that money for the GPU as well. So that means either you can't afford the LCD or you can afford the 7900GT.

4)I will redo your system around 50k for sai

 

[drvarunmehta]

@akshayt:
1. I'm not saying that he can afford an LCD simply by dropping the combo drive and FDD. I'm simply saying that IMO they don't serve much purpose. Buying an optical drive just to speed up game copying makes no sense no matter how cheap the drive is.

2. No doubt after market cooling will help a lot if he OC's, but not everyone is comfortable OCing. OCing is recommended only when you know what you are doing. I don't think he would want to void his warranty for 3-4 fps more.

3. AMD 64 3500 overclocked + 1900XT > X2 3800 + 7900GT
That is true for current games. But all next gen games are going to be muiltithreaded and that's when the dual core proccys are really going to shine. There's no arguing with the power these high end cards pack, but not everyone wants to pay such a premium simply to enable AA/AF and HDR.
IMO a dual core proccy and a 7600GT makes more sense. The money saved by not buying the 7900GT will be enough to afford the LCD.

 

[akshayt]

1)Kind of ok

2)The difference is not a mere 3-4fps. anyway, in india you can get underclock again to get warranty.

3)ok, but I would anyway get 1900XT over a 7600GT had I money. like I just upgraded my system to 1900XTX on 3200 winchester(got one at the price of 1900XT).