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Linus fires latest shot in GNOME Wars

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subratabera

Just another linux lover.
Some bad blood between Linus Torvalds and GNOME developers is flaring up again. Previously, Torvalds has said that Linux users should switch to KDE instead of GNOME because of the GNOME team's "users are idiots" mentality. Now he has "put his money where his mouth is" by submitting patches to GNOME in order to have it behave as he likes.

This week, on the Linux Foundation's (formerly OSDL) Desktop Architects mailing list, the two sides are going mano a mano. On Monday, Marcos Pérez López replied in Spanish to an earlier message from Torvalds in which Torvalds lashed out at the GNOME crew, claiming GNOME developers believed their users were idiots. López's reply defending GNOME was in Spanish, and he closed it by saying:

¿Quién es el NAZI?
Who is the Nazi?

Nada más, esto para LINUS para que piense. Nothing more, this is for Linus to think about.

LINUS, NO SABES LEER ESPAÑOL, ¿A VER SI VAS A SER IDIOTA TU TAMBIÉN? Linus, you don't know how to read Spanish, so are you an idiot too?

Godwin's Law was quickly invoked by Fernando Herrera, but that didn't stop the debate. Torvalds took the Spanish in stride, and continued the argument by saying it was good for GNOME to be easy to use, but that "'ONLY being easy to use' is bad." He also noted that "GNOME people seem to think that once you 'got into it,' you never want to do anything more. Not true."

Christian F.K. Schaller then threw down the gauntlet, urging Torvalds to action with:
If you are up for a challenge, why don't you use GNOME for a month then come and do a talk about your experience at this years GUADEC in England? Could maybe be a good way to start a constructive dialog instead of this useless mudslinging?

This morning, Torvalds responded to the challenge, though not in the manner Schaller suggested. He submitted patches to GNOME to make it behave as he wants, then told the mailing list:
I've sent out patches. The code is actually _cleaner_ after my patches, and the end result is more capable. We'll see what happens.

THAT is constructive.

What I find unconstructive is how the GNOME people always make *excuses*. It took me a few hours to actually do the patches. It wasn't that hard. So why didn't I do it years ago?

I'll tell you why: because GNOME apologists don't say "please send us patches". No. They basically make it clear that they aren't even *interested* in fixing things, because their dear old Mum isn't interested in the feature.

Do you think that's "constructive"?

So let's see what happens to my patches. I guarantee you that they actually improve the code (not just add a feature). I also guarantee that they actually make things *more* logical rather than less (with my patches, double-clicking on the title bar isn't a special event: it's configurable along with right- and middle-clicking, and with the exact same syntax for all).

But why, oh, why, have GNOME people not just said "please fix it then"?

Instead, I _still_ (now after I sent out the patch) hear more of your kvetching about how you actually do everything right, and it's somehow *my* fault that I find things limiting.

Here's a damn big clue: the reason I find GNOME limiting is BECAUSE IT IS.

Now the question is, will people take the patches, or will they keep their heads up their arses and claim that configurability is bad, even when it makes things more logical, and code more readable.

Welcome to wonderful, wacky, never-dull world of free and open source software, where in spite of all the posturing and debate, the answer is always best couched in code.

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freebird

Debian Rocks!
once u r aligned with kde as is the case with microsoft windows,poor gnome ppl are at risk.I always love to hate kde,whatever myth buster sites,they put.GNOME sure rocks!Linus -i dont care his ways...ofcourse thanking him for Linux kernel project..not as a kde fanboy.
but again,why does kde arshol@ want to kill the GNOME project(as far as the comments i read from source)?WE r happy with GNOME.let GNOME,XFCE and others too grow,rather sticking to this messy idea of one DE like windows for UNIX also.more choices are there.
 
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subratabera

subratabera

Just another linux lover.
This article explains that Linus is actually coding for Gnome which is a nice thing, because after watching Linus, if many KDE programmers also start to contribute for Gnome then we will soon see a DE which will be easy as well as tweakable...
 

~Phenom~

The No.1 Stupid
freebird said:
I always love to hate kde,whatever myth buster sites,they put.GNOME sure rocks!Linus -i dont care his ways...ofcourse thanking him for Linux kernel project..not as a kde fanboy.
but again,why does kde arshol@ want to kill the GNOME project(as far as the comments i read from source)?WE r happy with GNOME.let GNOME,XFCE and others too grow,rather sticking to this messy idea of one DE like windows for UNIX also.more choices are there.
me too think the same.:D
 

rajasekharan

Youngling
they should not fight like this both KDE and GNOME should go together . why fight with in Linux . Linux "unite we STAND . divide we FALL " .please stop fighting :-(
 

praka123

left this forum longback
qt/kde fans are intolerent.infact Linux @ one time in near future may be hacked by kde fanboys-as the starter of linux kernel is himself identified earlier itself as a KDE/qt zealot.
GNOME is easier for many of us and we dont want an advice/rant from KDE fanboys to move from GNOME.if Linus want his linux kernel must not be used excluding KDE/qt,he can make a new EULA and try his own way.spare us,GNOME,XFCE,fluxbox etc users...
it is like MAC vs windows,though in this case number game is inverse;MAC~kde and win!~GNOME:D ,u can see that mac fanboys are the most adement one as is the case with many KDE users.
it seems there is hard times for GNOME users,for now they are well selected by kde backers and if GNOME ever fall off,then perhaps u can see the web flooded with anti-xfce or anti-(tag the nonKDE DE)
.GNOME bashing should be stopped for the growth of FOSS-mostly from KDE fanboys.
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after Windows Users bashing Linuxers,now the ghost of Windows is coming up with KDE-and its users famous for intolerance and GNOME bashing service.I mean,How can you tolerate posts made in tux magazine flaming other DE users than KDE are.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2627341#post2627341
Tux and the anti-Gnome sentiment
I pray oh Jeez,@tleast some kde users turn into GNOME or XFCE after knowing the KDE harcore.
 
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freebird

Debian Rocks!
I prefer to end my acquintence with Linux,once GNOME is eliminated by the FUD gang from trolltech-KDE...
For Now I'll search for better pro-GNOME/XFCE alternatives.may be I'll look @ FreeBSD,Open Solaris...any suggestions?:eek:
 
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thunderbird.117

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I like both KDE and gnome. Both have superb applications.

I really wish linux have more games.
 
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