Is M Schumacher a cheat and an dishonest driver?

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My take is...

  1. M Schumacher is a cheat and dishonest

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  2. M Schumacher is not a cheat

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  1. drgrudge

    drgrudge Another Brick in the Wall

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    Re: Michael Schumacher Announces retirement!!

    M Schumacher recently announced his retirement from Formula One after the Italian GP.

    It was a good riddance. Good to see a cheater and an dishonest driver to retire. He should have done that long time back.

    I hope that Alonso and Renault win the Drivers and Constructors championships resp.
     
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  2. Vyasram

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    Re: Michael Schumacher Announces retirement!!

    why do u say so?

    anyway alonso and briatore are the real crybabies. they think f1 is fixed. lol .

    f1 will miss its greatest performer and f1 market will definitely go down next season.

    hope schumi wins this season in the last race by one pt. that wud really 91$$ off the crybabies.

    next championship is gonna be all abt ferrari with kimi and felipe, hope they both share no1 status equally in the team
     
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    Re: Michael Schumacher Announces retirement!!

    I'm going to agree with drgrudge, Schumacher and Ferrari are cheats. If he wins this year, it will be the 3rd title he didn't deserve.
    In 1994 he crashed into Damon Hill on purpose and won the championship by 1 point.
    In 2003 the Michelin tyres of his closest competitors Raikkonen and Montoya were suddenly deemed illegal and banned after being used throughout the season. He won the title in the last race after the Michelin shod cars had lost their advantage.
    In the 2006 Italian GP, the steward unfairly penalised Alonso and finished his chances of competing for the win whereas the video evidence clearly shows that he didn't do anything wrong. You can see the video on www.youtube.com and decide for yourself.

    Schumacher is the only driver in F1 history who has been disqualified and had his results for the entire year scrapped for unsportsmanlike behaviour after he purposely crashed into Jacques Villeneuve in the final race of the season in 1997. Fortunately he was punished this time and Villeneuve won the championship.
     
  4. iMav

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    Re: Michael Schumacher Announces retirement!!

    ^^ first of all this is under no circumsatnces a clean sport .... fabio himself has played tricks ....

    it is evident success is a two edged sword .... i wonder how did a cheat win so titles so many trophies .... a cheat who has 90 race wins damn no 1 did anything i wonder why .....
     
  5. mehulved

    mehulved 18 Till I Die............

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    OK let's fight it out :p.
    Well he may have pushed things to the limits and a few times beyond the limits. But, that is not enough to justify him as a cheat. He has fairly and squarely snatched many amazing victories. He's always been a determined driver ready to push to the limits and beyond. Well, some of the aggresion is surely gonna show off in a bad way. But, that doesn't mean he's a cheat.
    And always people who are at the top enjoy some favours from the authorities, we can't blame Micheal for that.
     
  6. ashu888ashu888

    ashu888ashu888 Core i7 (nehalem) Owner

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    well, look at the stats:

    Alonso---> 1 World Championships, Schumacher---> 7 World crowns

    Tat speaks volumes of his hard work along with the team tat has been working their ass off to get the ferrari team upto this level. If he had cheated then its not possible to cheat all the way to get a glory of 7 world crowns !!!! If he has announced his retirement at this stage then its just his hardwork tats been rewarded and not bcoz he is a loser... come on grow up.

    Jus bcoz tat chocolate looking Mr. Alonso won the WC the previous year and also the Constructors Crown with Renault, its no proving tat he will Equal or even come close to wat Schumi has achieved along with his "Tafosi" Fans...

    Im sorry to say but I really dnt think u knw the background of F1 and u aren't smart either buddy....It would hv been better if u had started this topic way back wen Schumi was still conducting his practise runs b4 winning the 7 WCs of F1....

    I still am a fan of Schumi and still a die hard Tafosi fan....and there is no way tat he is a Cheater...please giv us a break... He has challenged the former Finnish driver, Mika Hakkinen and the then super champ team of McLaren Mercedes in the 90s then challenged the team of BMW Williams consisiting of Ralf and Juan Montoya and still won the crowns..

    Come on lets face it buddy, Ferrari, Schumi and the Tafosis are the backbone adn will never be forgotten ever, infact the older they will get, the better and remembered they will become jus like Old Wine...... :)

    It would hv been better if u thought of sum other topic rather than seeing ur own self beated badly in this Debate..... :D:D
     
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    sorry i don't agree with the statement that m schumacher is a cheat...........
    he has won everything fair and square.....
    he deserves what he has won ....
    and i bid him farewell however there will be always an empty space which cannot be taken by anybody...even if renault and alonso wins Drivers and Constructors championships they'll never be as good as he is....
    and yes abt his retirement..i think its right time coz when you retire when u are at ur peak ppl give u more respect and u are remembered long after...

    and yes if am not wrong he has won 90 races and have 22 hattricks to his name(i.e 22x3=66 out of 90 i.e. 66/90*100=73.33%----great isn't it)......


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    plz don't consider me rude but its better to talk abt topics u actully know of ..otherwise u end up making in fun of urself ..or as in this case a defeat...
     
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    cmon man .... let me see only 5 races where it has been claimed that he bent the rules and 90 races he was numero uno .... wet conditions ka baap hai ye .... there's no 1 else in this sport who has instincts even closer to that of schumi ....

    sena is the best

    schumi is better than the best
     
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    schumi ain't a cheat.

    1994 australia, he wud not have been aware that he lost total control and he continued on the racing line. fine. even if he did that on purpose , itz not cheating itz just immoral, btw this is the only race he might have "taken advantage"

    next up, abt the team strategy, yeah he had some in 2002 especially at austria, but what diff did it make.

    and dont blame schumi for what the fia does and dont act like briatore or alonso and say f1 is fixed , simply bcoz ferrari is an italian team

    and abt the monaco stopping, it was completely unintentional, a good camera angle at youtube shows it, even had he done he got the punishment he deserved , and is still in the race for the title

    then i wud also like to mention that fia is not on ferrari's side ,
    proof: they turned all the rules against ferrari's strategy in 2005 and literally stripped them off the title



    to villenueve:
    schumi's records speak for itself 90 race wins n all 8* titles , unmatched by anyone . schumi is the best so far in f1.

    hope u make that 8th title
     
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    Damn..ashwin...:p... u seem to be more of SCHUMI hater than ALONSO lover..!!

    I am a big fan of Schumi...since very beginning... Just because of some odd moments (and even he told it..ke when something like that happens..people who believe in you come to ur side..and others just oppose)...

    U cant adjudge some one with


    1 is fluke...2 is fluke....10 can be flukes...not damn 90 wins....
    and he is very tough driver who raced wid MIKA , ARYTON ...in times when technology like Traction Control and all wasnt that developed...

    and everything was Manual... and u have had to take care of everything back then..!!

    Anyways....the percentage of Anti Schumis....are negligible .. if seen on a large scale...i guess.. 1 in 1000 must be hating him..!! Doest matter....;)

    U shuld see Every god damn race...and the percentage of REDs out there...People love Ferrari not because of brand...but because of SCHUMI...

    Well...u might argue that thats ur opinion...but all i can say i....Theres never gonna be another driver like Michael...NEVER EVER...

    This is indeed an END OF ERA in Formula 1



    PS:- By the if u count the misbehaviours and wrong tackles and penalties of this season itself...u ll know whoz penalised more..by STEWARDS..... check the last race itself...
     
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    how can u say that is a cheat .... he is the greatest racer in this world man....
    7 championship titles....c'mon man...
     
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    drgrudge

    drgrudge Another Brick in the Wall

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    I wrote a loooooong post, and thought I'll post that in my blog. So you guys can see that and respond to what I said there or in this thread.
    {Michael ‘Cheatmacher’ is a cheap and an dishonest driver}
    http://ashwinr.com/2006/09/11/michael-cheatmacher-is-a-cheat-and-an-dishonest-driver/


    Guys, you all seem to live in the present. Most of you won't have seen F1 for a long time or grown up watching that biased Steve Slater - Chris Godwin commentary in Star Sports.


    By the way, I'm not saying that he's a bad driver (he might be good - I don't care) but he got ZERO ethics and sportsmanship spirit.
     
  13. anispace

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    Ok so u mean to say he achieved all this with zero ethics and sportmanship.
    Have u ever even watched Formula 1 coz if u had then u might have known how good a driver he is. Ok there have been some instances where he has bent the rules but tht does not mean hes a cheat. cmon man ..90 race wins is not a joke.
     
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    Really
    We will miss you Michael! :(
     
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    I have just one thing to say--Probably None coming in the future can be like this guy..He is the ultimate man..I am a big schumi fan and getting sad bcoz F1 means schumacher and schumacher means F1. :)
     
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    You know as they say 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly'
     
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    what has this proverb got to do with schumi???

    he has neither power nor "absolute" power!!!
    he is after all, a driver amongs dozens others in the F1 championship, damn it!!!
     
  18. iMav

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    exactly .... and what a sore looser renault is they claim that the race was fixed and fabio now says he said it was a joke ..... renault sux and fabio is sore looser wen things aint in his stride
     
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    drgrudge Another Brick in the Wall

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    Yeah.. YouTube got all the "evidence". I'm sure most of the ppl here are watching F1 for just a couple of years and cry " Shoe-me is the beeeeeeest".
     
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